Pro-Choice or Pro-Life, does that help?

[KarissaMann05]

*nods* Correct, it wasn't you who was claiming about it, it was me who claimed.

Sorry if I give any bad names to the pro-life community, I just want to correcting my POV that's all

It's okay.

I am just so disappointed that pro-choicers tell "uncommon" prolifers that they cant be pro-lifers. That's plain dumb. Because some pro-choicers expected pro-lifers look so stupid and ignortant because of that. That's plain unfair. I have seen it many times in general internet.

Well, a person are probably look me like I am plain hypothetical person cos of my belief if he/she think prolfiers cant be call themselves if they "support" women health risk. Because he/she don't see how prolifers do care about women.

But that's your choice to look down on "uncommon" prolifers because you agreed with them (prochoicers). No offense.

Just thought.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

I see the same thing, too. That is why I don't trust illegal abortions but I'd rather to have a favor for pro-birth controls. It is only a way to prevent a lots of unwanted pregnancies while it stays legal abortion (No, I don't support it either).

I only hope it get better as soon as possible in the future.

My friend did NOT obtain an illegal abortion. You misread me. She committed suicide. She chose to end her life AND her child's life simply because she didn't know what to do.

The point of the story, though, was to point out that I would have given her the same advice I gave her. If she had chosen to abort, I would have supported that decision. If she had chosen to have the baby, I would have also supported that decision. Reason being, it wasn't up to me to tell her what *I* thought she should do. It was her decision to make. Unfortunately, she chose to do something even more extreme.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

*nods* That's what I thoughts.



Wow your friend seems have pretty problem, sometimes people need someone to talk with for the help or advices so you are doing good Also I have to agree with you, I don't want or like to tell people to do the same thing as I do neither, except for what I think are right for myself.

Well, rather than face it, she chose to end her life. But, yes I would have given her the same advice I gave her. I don't believe in imposing my belief on others.

 

[zerodog]

Here is the post of my signature...
Due my health condition it like pro life, it is me.. pro choice.. is immortality love but I don't want abuse or do that... I don't have child myself but I have people around me that support me. I am sorry it little off topic just vend that out...

I do not want them sad that I am not here for them but I want them learn something from me that I taught or share the words. It is nice to know someone is behind me and front me and beside both side. Lift my hope as turn it bright. I admire them and what more...

End the life isn't solution... The child will bring us joy, learn, fight to keep live until my time and the child will learn that all kind of grives feel but hey I told people and even child. I will only see you in 3 seconds just like blinking the eyes and say hey here we are! We will never apart again...

 

[jillio]

Point out that, here, case is resting a lot on the "your morality isn't necessarily someone else's morality and you can't determined someone else's morality". To mention that morality is often determined by society at large, from minor non-enforced things such as "be courteous and hold open the door for others" subject to major law-enforced things such as "don't kill people". Okayyy… I think, the major is stumbling block that pro-choicers with the viewpoints that your post is expressing have; this is that they don't realize that the pro-life morality regareding abortion is one that, by nature, can't be one that is "live and let live" with regards to choices. Believing that abortion is wrong because it kills a living human being that isn't exactly something that can be ignored, like differing views on something such as the morality of alcohol… for instance.

Okay, okay, let’s make a point … I am still continued to get annoyed by pro-choicers’ comments who insist that I must really be pro-choice if I think that there are better ways to end abortion than making it illegal. I bet if I said "I'm pro-choice, but I think abortion is always wrong except in cases where the mother's health or life is at risk, and I would support making abortion illegal if I didn't think the life and health of women would not be protected and pregnant women are not helped with the resources they need to have a child," then they will pretty pissed at me for trying to call myself pro-choice. Oh wait, no, I can't possibly be pro-life if I care about women, right?

Just thought as two cents…

PS - please dont take so personal. It's only thought on your post. ^ ^;;

I don't take offense at all, and the fact that you say that you support abortion in the case of a mother's life being at risk means that you are pro-choice. You arenaming a circumstance in which you would allow a woman to make that choice.

 

[Hwy99]

It's okay.

I am just so disappointed that pro-choicers tell "uncommon" prolifers that they cant be pro-lifers. That's plain dumb. Because some pro-choicers expected pro-lifers look so stupid and ignortant because of that. That's plain unfair. I have seen it many times in general internet.

Well, a person are probably look me like I am plain hypothetical person cos of my belief if he/she think prolfiers cant be call themselves if they "support" women health risk. Because he/she don't see how prolifers do care about women.

But that's your choice to look down on "uncommon" prolifers because you agreed with them (prochoicers). No offense.

Just thought.

I understand what you mean, I usually don't like to judge the pro-life people, I agree with you that not all pro-life have the same opinions, and plus, not all pro-choice have the same opinion neither. I know some pro-choice support abortion because they might don't support the adoption, or maybe they are manic bloody killers, or whatever opinions people have. All people cannot be the same, period.

Anyway, I did not look down against uncommon prolife, I stated that I am a personally pro-life, but don't want to force others to follow the same as I do.

For example, there are some people who hate ugly poor houses, but they do support other's rights to choose whatever they want to live, but if those ugly poor houses were banned and people were forced to buy more expensive quality houses, then the rate of homeless will raise, more criminals sneaking trying to get their home that they can stay, whatever worse than having a ugly poor home legal.

That's how I see the same thing about abortion, if the abortion was banned, then more parents could be abusive, or even kill the already born children, or whatever worse than abortion being legal.

I don't feel right for me to support to take other's rights away and that's why I support Liberal.

Here is the post of my signature...
Due my health condition it like pro life, it is me.. pro choice.. is immortality love but I don't want abuse or do that... I don't have child myself but I have people around me that support me. I am sorry it little off topic just vend that out...

I do not want them sad that I am not here for them but I want them learn something from me that I taught or share the words. It is nice to know someone is behind me and front me and beside both side. Lift my hope as turn it bright. I admire them and what more...

End the life isn't solution... The child will bring us joy, learn, fight to keep live until my time and the child will learn that all kind of grives feel but hey I told people and even child. I will only see you in 3 seconds just like blinking the eyes and say hey here we are! We will never apart again...

I understand how you feel, I wouldn't choose abortion at all and also I don't have children, plus myself a male, but I enjoy to discuss about the abortion, they are very interesting to me because there's alot of opinions about the abortion issues and many things related to the abortion issues. It's just that it was a hot topic.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I don't take offense at all, and the fact that you say that you support abortion in the case of a mother's life being at risk means that you are pro-choice. You are naming a circumstance in which you would allow a woman to make that choice.

:shakes head: I refused to accpet to be pro-choicer, for if I do as being pro-choicer, I should never protect defendless-unborn-infants, right? There are a lot of pro-chociers don't care about those bastard unborn children (and you knew it), besides, I get a lot of child-haters' comments in general internet (Keep that mind, I am a childfree yet pro-choicers insist me that I can't be pro-lifer if I am a childfree. Like just you insist me that I can't be pro-lifer for whatever reason is.). So... Sorry, you CANNOT tell me that I can't be pro-lifer. I'm just a non-tradional pro-lifer and I fit in that.

Appearnatly, you deny my post but that's okay for you to deny mine. I decide to end this conversation for now.

BTW, thanks for nice explaination in #4 post through I respectfully disagreed.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I understand what you mean, I usually don't like to judge the pro-life people, I agree with you that not all pro-life have the same opinions, and plus, not all pro-choice have the same opinion neither. I know some pro-choice support abortion because they might don't support the adoption, or maybe they are manic bloody killers, or whatever opinions people have. All people cannot be the same, period.

Anyway, I did not look down against uncommon prolife, I stated that I am a personally pro-life, but don't want to force others to follow the same as I do.

For example, there are some people who hate ugly poor houses, but they do support other's rights to choose whatever they want to live, but if those ugly poor houses were banned and people were forced to buy more expensive quality houses, then the rate of homeless will raise, more criminals sneaking trying to get their home that they can stay, whatever worse than having a ugly poor home legal.

That's how I see the same thing about abortion, if the abortion was banned, then more parents could be abusive, or even kill the already born children, or whatever worse than abortion being legal.

I don't feel right for me to support to take other's rights away and that's why I support Liberal.

I agreed, that's why a new group had created in nearly 2006 called "non-traditional prolifers" since they get sick of --

You can't be pro-life if you are...
- non-Christian
- Athetist
- childfree
- meat-eater
- caring about women
- logically intelligent (yeah, they expect prolifers are stupid :roll
- pro-brith control
- pro-eduation (general)
- punky/gothic person
- liberal person
- women rights
- much more

I am one of them because I am so SICK of getting a lot of same comments (see above).

That's why I support liberal because I am a liberal, my family is, too. I believe it is a choice for all matters.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Jillio and Liebling,

I have no idea how to thank you for make it brighten up my POV about the abortion, I guess I am a pro-choice, as personal pro-life, but don't make others do the same as I do, so long live the Liberal

I now apologize for taking the wrong word around my posts, I will not use that word pro-life as my POV over the policy and abortion, except for my personal opinions. Forgive me?

By the way, thanks again!

Herzlich Willkommen!!!

No, you do not need apology. I do the same as you as well until I found out what it is about and correct my POV.

 

[KarissaMann05]

My friend did NOT obtain an illegal abortion. You misread me. She committed suicide. She chose to end her life AND her child's life simply because she didn't know what to do.

No I understood you. I meant, speak of what if, if there was illegal abortion then I can imagine how your friend feel if she did not know what to do. Y'know?

The point of the story, though, was to point out that I would have given her the same advice I gave her. If she had chosen to abort, I would have supported that decision. If she had chosen to have the baby, I would have also supported that decision. Reason being, it wasn't up to me to tell her what *I* thought she should do. It was her decision to make. Unfortunately, she chose to do something even more extreme.

Yeah... It is not my business, besides, I hope the future will be better as soon as possible.

 

[Cowpuppy]

Mann_K05
Hey, nothing wrong with your views. I think maybe it is just 'splitting hairs'. Failure to communicate, etc.
As I noted....it comes down to ...how would you vote on the issue. OK you want to see changes on the issue...but if voting today..how would you vote. That is usually the standard society views is... how you vote on it. It is a complicated issue....and not a perfect vote choice perhaps....but with all that said and done...how would you vote if it was on the election ballot as it stands today.
If you vote....pro-life....then you are
if you vote... pro-choice....then you are
we don't really get the luxury of playing both sides on the issue....we only get to vote one way or the other.
there already are laws in place and may be more
But if Roe versus Wade comes up again.....you only get to decide life or choice
it is what defines your view of it
it is a voting issue

 

[Hwy99]

I agreed, that's why a new group had created in nearly 2006 called "non-traditional prolifers" since they get sick of --

You can't be pro-life if you are...
- non-Christian
- Athetist
- childfree
- meat-eater
- caring about women
- logically intelligent (yeah, they expect prolifers are stupid :roll
- pro-brith control
- pro-eduation (general)
- punky/gothic person
- liberal person
- women rights
- much more

I am one of them because I am so SICK of getting a lot of same comments (see above).

That's why I support liberal because I am a liberal, my family is, too. I believe it is a choice for all matters.

Ohh yeah I have to agree with you totally, those are very annoying.. *sigh* Pro-life doesn't have to be one or any of those you listed.. Geez..

Herzlich Willkommen!!!

No, you do not need apology. I do the same as you as well until I found out what it is about and correct my POV.

I guess we are in the same shoe

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I respectfully disagreed. That is actually high-common pro-life group while there are a few another different pro-life groups as "uncommon"/non-traditional person. Also, I am not one of common pro-lifers that you used to know, besides, it is not make me less pro-lifer either. I already explained it a such good point in some threads of mine. Even here too...

I jsut hate when people tried to tell me that:

<song>
Oh, you cant be pro-life if you are childfree!
Oh, you cant be prolife if you are not support illegal abortion!
Oh, you should not care about women!
Oh, blah blah blah!
</song>

Like I said, that is not for everyone fits their own stereotypes.

Yes I know there´re some extreme pro-lifers but you are not one of them thru your posts.

We are here to find out what definition between pro-life and pro-choice is about.

At first I thought I am a pro-life because I personally would not abort for no reasons until I collect many debate posts and know exact what it is about. I do not support abortion as an illegal but respect women´s choice, that´s make me pro-choice.

You personally are a pro-life and against abortion as an illegal. Right? If yes, I will respect if you refuses to accept that you are a pro-choice for everyone.

Can I suggest something for you to consider yourself as a pro-life and pro-choice for politically? It´s up to you either you want to consider yourself as a pro-life for yourself and pro-choice for politically or not since I know your posts that you respect women´s choice and against abortion as an illegal. Right?

 

[KarissaMann05]

Mann_K05
Hey, nothing wrong with your views. I think maybe it is just 'splitting hairs'. Failure to communicate, etc.
As I noted....it comes down to ...how would you vote on the issue. OK you want to see changes on the issue...but if voting today..how would you vote. That is usually the standard society views is... how you vote on it. It is a complicated issue....and not a perfect vote choice perhaps....but with all that said and done...how would you vote if it was on the election ballot as it stands today.
If you vote....pro-life....then you are
if you vote... pro-choice....then you are
we don't really get the luxury of playing both sides on the issue....we only get to vote one way or the other.
there already are laws in place and may be more
But if Roe versus Wade comes up again.....you only get to decide life or choice
it is what defines your view of it
it is a voting issue

Are you refering to wikipedia? or something else? I'm not sure why you are talking about voting...

 

[KarissaMann05]

Yes I know there´re some extreme pro-lifers but you are not one of them thru your posts.

We are here to find out what definition between pro-life and pro-choice is about.

At first I thought I am a pro-life because I personally would not abort for no reasons until I collect many debate posts and know exact what it is about. I do not support abortion as an illegal but respect women´s choice, that´s make me pro-choice.

You personally are a pro-life and against abortion as an illegal. Right? If yes, I will respect if you refuses to accept that you are a pro-choice for everyone.

I don't support both of legal and illegal abortion.

Can I suggest something for you to consider yourself as a pro-life and pro-choice for politically? It´s up to you either you want to consider yourself as a pro-life for yourself and pro-choice for politically or not since I know your posts that you respect women´s choice and against abortion as an illegal. Right?

You are so close to be right. I don't support a pro-choice or pro life politicality for abortion but in favor for pro birth control and education, all future plans for in next step. And, yes, I do respect women's choices as well. I am still pefering to be pro-lifer instead of prochoicer.

 

[Cowpuppy]

Voting is the standard. You are side-stepping the issue to avoid it.
When someone ask you are you pro-life or pro-choice.......they generally mean which way would you vote.
It's a tough question........
but one way or the other.
you don't get the luxury of a middle choice.
vote pro-life or pro-choice
the reason I bring it up is because one can debate all day and want to make changes.....but it comes down to which way would you vote on it.
yes or no......very simple
non-traditional pro-lifer is not a term......you don't get that choice when voting
you can have your beliefs but yes or no is your choice....you have to decide

 

[KarissaMann05]

Voting is the standard. You are side-stepping the issue to avoid it.
When someone ask you are you pro-life or pro-choice.......they generally mean which way would you vote.
It's a tough question........
but one way or the other.
you don't get the luxury of a middle choice.
vote pro-life or pro-choice
the reason I bring it up is because one can debate all day and want to make changes.....but it comes down to which way would you vote on it.
yes or no......very simple
non-traditional pro-lifer is not a term......you don't get that choice when voting
you can have your beliefs but yes or no is your choice....you have to decide

Well, you are being unfair comparison because your post sound like this appears to be pro-choice rather than pro-life (because I am different than prolife view) but it by definition *can't* be pro-choice if you don't think it is acceptable. Yeah, you can't be pro-choice if you don't accpet abortion ideas. (As for wikipedia post, if you (in general) try to fire me down with this wiki, screw this. Wikipedia is not on based or netural, anyway, IMO)

I chose pro-life, that's it. I'm more than pro-life: I already explained it in "What is a pro-life"; #1; #58; #128; #12

You tried to 'force' me to stand on the between to choose which it is as if you suggest me to choose to be pro-choice... I am so sick of "you are not really pro-life; you cant be pro-life" comments, so I decide to close this conversation for now. :shakes head, glared narrowed:

(Speak in general)I have enough of that and I let you, pro-choicers, to mock me as if you are please for. :shakes head:

 

[jillio]

Voting is the standard. You are side-stepping the issue to avoid it.
When someone ask you are you pro-life or pro-choice.......they generally mean which way would you vote.
It's a tough question........
but one way or the other.
you don't get the luxury of a middle choice.
vote pro-life or pro-choice
the reason I bring it up is because one can debate all day and want to make changes.....but it comes down to which way would you vote on it.
yes or no......very simple
non-traditional pro-lifer is not a term......you don't get that choice when voting
you can have your beliefs but yes or no is your choice....you have to decide

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[shel90]

Voting is the standard. You are side-stepping the issue to avoid it.
When someone ask you are you pro-life or pro-choice.......they generally mean which way would you vote.
It's a tough question........
but one way or the other.
you don't get the luxury of a middle choice.
vote pro-life or pro-choice
the reason I bring it up is because one can debate all day and want to make changes.....but it comes down to which way would you vote on it.
yes or no......very simple
non-traditional pro-lifer is not a term......you don't get that choice when voting
you can have your beliefs but yes or no is your choice....you have to decide

True..very well said.

 

[Hwy99]

Voting is the standard. You are side-stepping the issue to avoid it.
When someone ask you are you pro-life or pro-choice.......they generally mean which way would you vote.
It's a tough question........
but one way or the other.
you don't get the luxury of a middle choice.
vote pro-life or pro-choice
the reason I bring it up is because one can debate all day and want to make changes.....but it comes down to which way would you vote on it.
yes or no......very simple
non-traditional pro-lifer is not a term......you don't get that choice when voting
you can have your beliefs but yes or no is your choice....you have to decide

As for your question, I might either vote to regulate the abortion or don't vote at all. The rest of your post, that's what I thought, but ya know I am still personally prolife.