Pro-choice and death).....(only pro-choice and death comment)

[jillio]

Since you thought all pro-choicers never force anybody else. Well, that's not true. *Some* pro-choice boys don't want their girlfriends have a baby, they pick on their girlfriends until they got abortions for boys. I will say that depend.

I read some entries in pro-choice community sometimes..

It took the male to create the child, didn't it? Why shouldn't he have input? And the only way one can be forced, is to physicaly restrained and have a procedure done that they are opposed to. If a woman walks into a clinic and gets up on a table and allows the procedure to be done, she has ecxercised a choice. Ultimately, the decision is hers. The procedure cannot be done without her consent.

 

[KarissaMann05]

It took the male to create the child, didn't it? Why shouldn't he have input? And the only way one can be forced, is to physicaly restrained and have a procedure done that they are opposed to. If a woman walks into a clinic and gets up on a table and allows the procedure to be done, she has ecxercised a choice. Ultimately, the decision is hers. The procedure cannot be done without her consent.

Excatly.
Sometimes, pro-choice people don't bother any optional but offer an abortion as suggestion. =/

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Since you thought all pro-choicers never force anybody else. Well, that's not true. *Some* pro-choice boys don't want their girlfriends have a baby, they pick on their girlfriends until they got abortions for boys. I will say that depend.

I read some entries in pro-choice community sometimes..

That's not being pro choice. That's being abusive. If guys don't want to be fathers, then they shouldn't "dip their wick". It's that simple. I find it really hard to believe that a guy would force a girl to abort. In most cases, he just takes a walk.

I will share a story with you. My Mother got pregnant with me out of wedlock in 1968. My father came from a wealthy family, and it was possible for my Mother to go across state lines and obtain an abortion. She chose not to do that. As soon as I was born and it became known that I had medical problems, my father wanted less and less to do with my Mother and I. He was completely out of my life by the time I was six months old. I am actually grateful. My biological father was a drug addict who ended up dying from hepatitis B several years later. I never knew him.

Jessie, people make choices. Both men and women. I also find it hard to believe that a woman would be "forced" to abort as you say. The likely scenerio is one like my Mother's. The Mother would simply decide not to (if that is her choice), and the father would take a hike because he didn't want to take responsiblity for his child.

 

[jillio]

Excatly.
Sometimes, pro-choice people don't bother any optional but offer an abortion as suggestion. =/

This happens more often the other way around. Pro-choice is founded on options and the right to exercise them.

 

[jillio]

That's not being pro choice. That's being abusive. If guys don't want to be fathers, then they shouldn't "dip their wick". It's that simple. I find it really hard to believe that a guy would force a girl to abort. In most cases, he just takes a walk.

I will share a story with you. My Mother got pregnant with me out of wedlock in 1968. My father came from a wealthy family, and it was possible for my Mother to go across state lines and obtain an abortion. She chose not to do that. As soon as I was born and it became known that I had medical problems, my father wanted less and less to do with my Mother and I. He was completely out of my life by the time I was six months old. I am actually grateful. My biological father was a drug addict who ended up dying from hepatitis B several years later. I never knew him.

Jessie, people make choices. Both men and women. I also find it hard to believe that a woman would be "forced" to abort as you say. The likely scenerio is one like my Mother's. The Mother would simply decide not to (if that is her choice), and the father would take a hike because he didn't want to take responsiblity for his child.

Exactly. She chose not to follow the wishes of your father. That is a choice. Another might choose to follow the wishes of the father. That also is a choice. Either way, she has looked at her options, and made a choice for herself based on her individual circumstances.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Ok, let's say that theoretically the woman is unable to have an abortion. If she does not want the baby chances are she will either try and get an illegal abortion OR will not take care of herself during the pregnancy. Yes it is her "fault" for getting pregnant but are the pro-life people going to hang around and make sure all those unwilling pregnant women take care of themselves? Refrain from drinking, smoking, drugs, going to regular doctors appointments etc. Why should a child pay the price of the mother not wanting it? It is a bigger drain on everyone's resources to provide for a child with major problems than it is to allow women the choice to abort. Do I think that it should be used as a form of birth control? No. But I do believe that it should be an option, without it as an option there are going to be way more issues.

You are correct. That is the most likely scenerio.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion.

My, my. You're being snippy, aren't you?

Then, you shouldn't have opened yourself up to inquiry by stating "It happened to me." Don't make statements you're not willing to stand behind.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Exactly. She chose not to follow the wishes of your father. That is a choice. Another might choose to follow the wishes of the father. That also is a choice. Either way, she has looked at her options, and made a choice for herself based on her individual circumstances.

Exactly.

 

[KarissaMann05]

That's not being pro choice. That's being abusive. If guys don't want to be fathers, then they shouldn't "dip their wick". It's that simple. I find it really hard to believe that a guy would force a girl to abort. In most cases, he just takes a walk.

Right.

I will share a story with you. My Mother got pregnant with me out of wedlock in 1968. My father came from a wealthy family, and it was possible for my Mother to go across state lines and obtain an abortion. She chose not to do that. As soon as I was born and it became known that I had medical problems, my father wanted less and less to do with my Mother and I. He was completely out of my life by the time I was six months old. I am actually grateful. My biological father was a drug addict who ended up dying from hepatitis B several years later. I never knew him.

Whoa.. You don't have to tell me a story if it's your real personal. But, thanks for sharing a story with me. Yeah, sometimes men left for thier own lives and don't wish to take a responsiblity. I find myself it's kinda of annoying.. Some men/boys have a hard time when they deal with a women/girl's choice. But, I'm glad that you are here for all matters.

Jessie, people make choices. Both men and women. I also find it hard to believe that a woman would be "forced" to abort as you say. The likely scenerio is one like my Mother's. The Mother would simply decide not to (if that is her choice), and the father would take a hike because he didn't want to take responsiblity for his child.

Mmm.. it seems a little sexist thing to do. I meant, for example, what if a boy and his girl have a sex and B.C. don't work well. She keeps her baby so boy have to pay child support. That boy leave her for it, later, he get another girl pregnant when B.C. don't work again. Now, he have to pay his other child support because the other girl keep her baby. To me, it's kinda of too much on men/boys, it's not matter if it is a minor or big-deal reason. Just thought.

 

[KarissaMann05]

My, my. You're being snippy, aren't you?

Then, you shouldn't have opened yourself up to inquiry by stating "It happened to me." Don't make statements you're not willing to stand behind.

Whoa... Wait a min. If Cheri tells the truth, then my mother tells the same thing. My mom was there. My mom told me that she sobbed over her own choice had taken away by my grandmother when she was only almost passed 12 weeks pregnant. She was only 16. Like Cheri said, abortionist didn't care about a girl or fetus. It's about money.

But.. Is it not allowed to express an abortion story in here?

EDIT: And, I wonder, it's okay to attack pro-lifer's experiences of abortion stories? Personally, I was witnessed to watch how *some* pro-choice people mocked on pro-lifers who had their abortions. =/

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Whoa... Wait a min. If Cheri tells the truth, then my mother tells the same thing. My mom was there. My mom told me that she sobbed over her own choice had taken away by my grandmother when she was only almost passed 12 weeks pregnant. She was only 16. Like Cheri said, abortionist didn't care about a girl or fetus. It's about money.

But.. Is it not allowed to express an abortion story in here?

Nobody said that, Jessie. But, if someone is willing share such details on a forum, they should be willing to answer questions, too, and do so without being snide about it.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Mmm.. it seems a little sexist thing to do. I meant, for example, what if a boy and his girl have a sex and B.C. don't work well. She keeps her baby so boy have to pay child support. That boy leave her for it, later, he get another girl pregnant when B.C. don't work again. Now, he have to pay his other child support because the other girl keep her baby. To me, it's kinda of too much on men/boys, it's not matter if it is a minor or big-deal reason. Just thought.

If a guy isn't willing to support his child, he shouldn't be having sex without protection. If that protection fails, then someone needs to use a different form of protection or stop sleeping around with every woman he sees.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Nobody said that, Jessie. But, if someone is willing share such details on a forum, they should be willing to answer questions, too, and do so without being snide about it.

With this?

It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion.

Then, you shouldn't have opened yourself up to inquiry by stating "It happened to me." Don't make statements you're not willing to stand behind.

That point, some pro-life/pro-choice people witnessed in their real life yet *some* pro-choicers put 'em down. Because they don't want to listen their truths.

My mom is heavily pro-choice. If you think Cheri made an "accusation", then you should call my mom as "accusation" for it. If you think Cheri knew nothing, then, definitely, my mom don't know about it, too. Besides, if you call Cheri "snippy" then you should call my mom "snippy" too.

Just... don't flaming on Cheri who had witnessed her life before. My mom was threre too.

 

[KarissaMann05]

If a guy isn't willing to support his child, he shouldn't be having sex without protection. If that protection fails, then someone needs to use a different form of protection or stop sleeping around with every woman he sees.

I understand your opinion. I personally think both father and mother should pay a child support together rather than one person pay for it.

Sometimes, some women can use a baby as weapon on some men.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

With this?


That point, some pro-life/pro-choice people witnessed in their real life yet *some* pro-choicers put 'em down. Because they don't want to listen their truths.

My mom is heavily pro-choice. If you think Cheri made an "accusation", then you should call my mom as "accusation" for it. If you think Cheri knew nothing, then, definitely, my mom don't know about it, too. Besides, if you call Cheri "snippy" then you should call my mom "snippy" too.

Just... don't flaming on Cheri who had witnessed her life before. My mom was threre too.

WIth all due respect Jessie, you really do need to go back and re-read what everybody is saying. Cheri chose to bring her personal experience into the thread, and it was Cheri who barked at Jillio first. Jillio (or anybody else) has the same right to question her, you, me or anybody if they so choose. If that upsets you, I'm sorry, but that's the way I see it.

 

[KarissaMann05]

No. :shakes head:

Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus."

"It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion."

That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother.

That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth?

Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story.

If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good.

 

[highlands]

Enough is enough.. Don't attack on Cheri so bad please..That's not fair.. She had a very bad experience on abortion.. This is too hard for her.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

Enough is enough.. Don't attack on Cheri so bad please..That's not fair.. She had a very bad experience on abortion.. This is too hard for her.

If it was "so hard for her", she shouldn't have brought it up. This is a forum where we can express our views. All of us, but we are also free to question somebody. If something is personal enough to upset someone, it shouldn't be discussed. Cheri chose to bring her experience into this, and someone questioned her about it. Cheri can't pick and choose what is being said. She is free to decline to answer, but she doesn't have to be snotty about it.

 

[highlands]

If it was "so hard for her", she shouldn't have brought it up. This is a forum where we can express our views. All of us, but we are also free to question somebody. If something is personal enough to upset someone, it shouldn't be discussed. Cheri chose to bring her experience into this, and someone questioned her about it. Cheri can't pick and choose what is being said. She is free to decline to answer, but she doesn't have to be snotty about it.

You can't insult or bash her here... You have made things personal... and I reported you.

 

[Oceanbreeze]

No. :shakes head:

Cheri said, "Trust me, some abortionist if not most are lawbreakers. I've live to witness it. It's all about money to them, they don't care about you, or the fetus."

"It's not an accusation, It had happened to me. So back off, Jillio, I don't want your insensitive opinion."
That point, Cheri was there to see what happened at clinic. I knew it is not a lie. I already mentioned about my mother.

That point, Cheri was probably attacked by Jillio and other ADer in my thread (what's a prolife?). I'm not sure.. I don't know. But, why is it really need to use a question to attack her experience of abortion story when she told the truth?

Then she said, "Can you substantiate that accusation?" It seems Jillio was still refused to believe her abortion story.

If anybody else prefer to see me stay quiet.. No, I'm not going to back off and say nothing while Cheri was attacked for all good.

She wasn't being attacked. She was being questioned. There's a difference and Jillio had every right to ask.