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Foxrac said:
Yup, I don't think Egypt wants to takeover Israel but it is just fear from right wing that why we need strong government, especially conservative and Republican Party, that which isn't true.

Like I said, attacking Egypt - good luck with Russia, China and Iran.
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Why not? They've done it before. Have you never heard of the Six-Day War?

"The Six-Day War involved three distinct battlefronts, tied together by a shared desire on the part of the surrounding Arab states to eliminate Israel and erase the shame of their defeat 19 years earlier when they failed to destroy the nascent Jewish state...."

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Reba said:
Why not? They've done it before. Have you never heard of the Six-Day War?

"The Six-Day War involved three distinct battlefronts, tied together by a shared desire on the part of the surrounding Arab states to eliminate Israel and erase the shame of their defeat 19 years earlier when they failed to destroy the nascent Jewish state...."

More at: War
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Yes, exactly. Once Egypt becomes an Islamic state they and other Islamic countries that surround Israel will once again try again to take Israel. If their desire is to see that Jerusalem be their capital means defeating Israel first. And that won't happen without our and others help.
 
TXgolfer said:
What a ridiculous poll. :lol: 2 options??? Oh well. I certainly believe the GOP is blocking him. That is exactly what we sent them there to do. Only so much you can accomplish with one house. Obama had two years of free reign. If he were making a good faith effort now there would be no need to block him.
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oh ok. so this poll is ridiculous but this poll is not.

oh I see.
 
Reba said:
Why not? They've done it before. Have you never heard of the Six-Day War?

"The Six-Day War involved three distinct battlefronts, tied together by a shared desire on the part of the surrounding Arab states to eliminate Israel and erase the shame of their defeat 19 years earlier when they failed to destroy the nascent Jewish state...."

More at: War
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I know about Six-Day War.

The 1967 is much different than today because middle east countries are more stronger now, they could wipe Israel off together or severely damage, they could get support from Russia and China. We lost the allies from Iran after revolution in 1979 that give uncertain future for Israel.

If Israel falling so badly so I don't want repeat of failed Vietnam War.
 
Reba said:
How are you going to do that?
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Leave it and just bring refugees to friendly countries.

Also, Israel shouldn't start any provoking against other countries, even they shouldn't bomb Iran.
 
Foxrac said:
Leave it and just bring refugees to friendly countries.

Also, Israel shouldn't start any provoking against other countries, even they shouldn't bomb Iran.
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That's not answering my question.

I asked you about your statement:

"I'm not going throw my taxes to defend Israel from attacking and falling to other countries."

How are you going to prevent your taxes from being spent any way that the government wants to? Are you going to quit paying your taxes?
 
Reba said:
That's not answering my question.

I asked you about your statement:

"I'm not going throw my taxes to defend Israel from attacking and falling to other countries."

How are you going to prevent your taxes from being spent any way that the government wants to? Are you going to quit paying your taxes?
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No, I have no choice.

I'm going vote any pro-war politicians out or try to push congress to block the war as possible.
 
Foxrac said:
I know about Six-Day War.

The 1967 is much different than today because middle east countries are more stronger now, they could wipe Israel off together or severely damage, they could get support from Russia and China. We lost the allies from Iran after revolution in 1979 that give uncertain future for Israel.
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Which countries are stronger, and how? Syria is imploding; they are too busy fighting each other. Russia might supply arms but why would China be involved?

If Israel falling so badly so I don't want repeat of failed Vietnam War.
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How is Israel falling? Since 1967, they haven't been asleep. They've been maintaining and improving their military resources. If we (the US) did help them, it wouldn't be anything like the Vietnam war. We wouldn't be using ground troops.
 
Reba said:
Which countries are stronger, and how? Syria is imploding; they are too busy fighting each other. Russia might supply arms but why would China be involved?


How is Israel falling? Since 1967, they haven't been asleep. They've been maintaining and improving their military resources. If we (the US) did help them, it wouldn't be anything like the Vietnam war. We wouldn't be using ground troops.
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Iran because they have nuclear weapon now and they can destroy Israel whatever they want. Other middle east neighboring could allies with Iran to make much larger group. China's major interest is oil and they don't want to disrupt the oil during nasty war. You can't underestimate Iran whichever is stronger now.

Like I said 1967 vs. 2012 are VERY DIFFERENT because Israel was much stronger than rest of middle east countries but now, it is changing.

It is better to treat Israel and middle east countries like we do handle with North Korea and South Korea, especially resolve diplomatically.

Even greater risk is oil embargo and if we gets in serious tension with middle east that could affect our life.
 
Foxrac said:
Iran because they have nuclear weapon now
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They do? Iran claims they haven't even developed a nuclear weapon. Are they lying? How come the rest of the world hasn't discovered this? (You need to check your facts.)

BTW Israel has nuclear weapons, and is capable of delivering them.

...and they can destroy Israel whatever they want.
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Not yet. That's why we want to stop Iran's nuclear development program.

Other middle east neighboring could allies with Iran to make much larger group.
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Do you know that other Middle Eastern countries hate Iran?

Besides, if, according to you, Iran nukes Israel, there would be no point in other countries attacking a nuclear contaminated wasteland.

China's major interest is oil and they don't want to disrupt the oil during nasty war. You can't underestimate Iran whichever is stronger now.
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Then China should be supporting no attacks on Israel. A stable region would benefit them.

Like I said 1967 vs. 2012 are VERY DIFFERENT because Israel was much stronger than rest of middle east countries but now, it is changing.
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That's your opinion. Do you really know what each country has?

It is better to treat Israel and middle east countries like we do handle with North Korea and South Korea, especially resolve diplomatically.
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That's a totally different situation.

Even greater risk is oil embargo and if we gets in serious tension with middle east that could affect our life.
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Been there, done that during the 70's.
 
Reba said:
They do? Iran claims they haven't even developed a nuclear weapon. Are they lying? How come the rest of the world hasn't discovered this? (You need to check your facts.)

BTW Israel has nuclear weapons, and is capable of delivering them.


Not yet. That's why we want to stop Iran's nuclear development program.


Do you know that other Middle Eastern countries hate Iran?

Besides, if, according to you, Iran nukes Israel, there would be no point in other countries attacking a nuclear contaminated wasteland.


Then China should be supporting no attacks on Israel. A stable region would benefit them.


That's your opinion. Do you really know what each country has?


That's a totally different situation.


Been there, done that during the 70's.
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Iran lied to you and everyone because they don't want us to know if Iran has nuclear weapon, but now, they do.

Israel doesn't confirm or deny if they have nuclear weapon.

Do you want Israel to strike at Iran nuclear plant that where produce nuclear weapon?

There are some middle east countries dislike Iran, however they share similar view about Israel.

It is depending on situation, if Israel strike Iran at first place as provocation so China will lose all support to Israel, also China buy a lot of oil from Iran.

That why Iran, other middle east countries and Israel need to stop provoking around.

That's not my opinion because I know about this year is very different from 1967 because everything change over year to year.

Yup, I know but make oil embargo today will be much worse than in 70's.
 
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