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x10oT said:
F*****.net is Freenet.de?


I would not answer your question/give the name of internet company to the public.

We will get in the trouble if we open the name of internet company to the public. You know what it mean.

Please respect it and thank you for your understanding :thumb:
 
Anyway, thank you everyone for your support posts. :thumb:

It's still 1 hour and 15 minutes then I will leave this office for court today. I am nervous....
 
Wow! I would much likely suspect that there is software dropped by somebody into your computer and they were programmed to dial specific number which charges u alot money. Nothing to do with phone company, nor internet service provider. The famous file name was dialer.exe! I have seen this Sh*t happens to few of my friends.
That is one reason why I stick with broadband, and eliminate the phone line, thus the dialer.exe can NOT dial that expensive phone number!
I hope court would be on your side!
 
I have copy of proof connection list here with me.

I am typing what the copy saying.

Example:

Dated:
07.10.03

Time of dialing:
4.31.39 seconds

hours:
1.37.47 seconds

phone nr.
0190

EURO Amount
211.63

Re-open internet one second later

Dated:
07.10.03

Time of dialing:
4.31.40 seconds

hours:
1.37.47 seconds

phone nr.
0190

EURO Amount
211.63


You can see that double prices...... It's many in the list....
 
diehardbiker65 said:
Wow! I would much likely suspect that there is software dropped by somebody into your computer and they were programmed to dial specific number which charges u alot money. Nothing to do with phone company, nor internet service provider. The famous file name was dialer.exe! I have seen this Sh*t happens to few of my friends.
That is one reason why I stick with broadband, and eliminate the phone line, thus the dialer.exe can NOT dial that expensive phone number!
I hope court would be on your side!

Yes, that's what my friend suspect about yesterday as I went to them to pick my PC up. (He reboot my PC for me). That's time I connected with F*****.net for a first time was dialing. F*****.net never give us cons/pros information until I found out myself that's why I asked them for the proof of connection list.......................

Wait and see what the F*****.net's lawyer says at the court.

Yes, I got DSL connection with no complication for over 1 year after closed F****.net's account with the recommend from new internet company.
 
Ok, have you gone to court yet? I assume not yet. I am curious what are the result, and I DO hope you win the case. I really don't know how europe court runs. Here in the United States, customers have more protections. Case similiar like yours are easily thrown out of court when judges sees billing flaws.
 
Updated:

I'm here in the office to make a post. :applause:

Here is my story:

We were surprised as our lawyer told us few minutes after our arrival that she rejected the F****. net’s lawyer’s suggestion to agree to pay 50% of total amount to avoid a lot of hassle in the court. It's a first time to hear like this after 2 years battle until now…. :roll:

We were in the courtroom with an interpreter.

Judge introduced our names and reason etc then asked my hubby why we refused pay the Internet bill.

My hubby answer:
"We only pay unless we get the proof of connection list first. We received only warning letters without explanation from F*****.net until we got the proof for a first time last April 2005. The problem would of be less if F****.net accept to solve this issue with us over bill and explain/give us cons/pros information etc in first place."


F***. Net’s lawyer answer to ignore my hubby:
"It’s not F****.net's responsible that internet bills goes high because your client did not order computer tech. from F****.net to fix for them in first place".

Our lawyer defends for our proofs and us. (see my previous posts)

F****. net’s lawyer answer:
"Yes I saw the mistake on both sides and thought my offer over 50% of total amount is fair."

Our lawyer defends for us.
"1. It’s not possible to blame my client for not ask computer tech. to fix their computer in first place because of proof date that we locked 0190 was on the SAME time as we join F***.net Internet company. The proof of connection lists that F****.net did not lock 0190 in our computer and also did not do something to protect our computer/did not give the customers an advice.
2. What’s this double connection prices?
3. I thought our offer to pay 30% of total amount is fair."

Judge stopped us and questioned F****. net’s lawyer.
What’s an exact why we should pay double connection prices when you claimed that it's not F****.net's responsible. This is not logical."

F****. net’s lawyer answer Judge’s question and explain us how the double prices from.

Every dialing have 2 wires in one-computer cable outlets (splitter and ISDN). We received the bill with double prices automatic like this. Dialers are often hide everywhere in Internet. It will be okay if we go to run program and removed “dialer.” lists because some goes to run program and hide it. Nobody sees it. F****.net still demand the payment from us no matter what because the bills shows but they thought their offer to us to pay 50% is good and fair enough.

We was like :jaw: We all did not know about this because the customers who wish to join dial instead of DSL, cable, and other unlimited has to pay double prices and keep on look at run program which it's unsafe. (Oh dear, I thought to myself and should warn other people about dialing that they should join unlimited DSL or cable connection instead of dialing :eek:).

My hubby was mad and told him that why nobody told us about 2 wires in one cable outlets. Judge and lawyer are also surprised, too because they didn’t know about this.
The Judge told him that F****. net’s duty to give us information how to protect our computer in first place but they didn’t. Why?

F****.net lawyer tried to explain us again that it’s not their responsible and also about computer’s wires etc. My lawyer stands up and said “break”. The Judge asked why? My lawyer said that we are not here to listen his cons/pros information but talking about Internet bills. (I has to admit that we are very interesting to listen F***. net’s lawyer’s cons/pros information over computer because it’s good education for us).

My lawyer stay hard and think 30% of total Internet bill amount is fair enough for us to pay. Judge are on our side and said that we would pay only 10% of total Internet bill if we ordered computer tech. in first place and think that 30% is fair. F****. net’s lawyer give up and agree to this.

The Judge explain:
We will give F*****.net 3 weeks time to think about either they are agree or not. F****.net company will carry the further court, honor, etc. cost if they are still against our 30% offer.

End……

We’re glad that the judge is on our side but but but we have to wait for F****.net’s answer either they are agree or not.



We were surprised that F*****.net's lawyer is friendly to us outside of courtroom. He gave us alot of cons/pros over computer. He said that it's good that we have unlimited DSL connection. We also questioned him about Norton Security. He said that Norton Security is number one and best quality to block everything. Interpreter and our lawyer questioned him, too. He questioned us about our deafness.

Everything goes smooth. He said that he is sure that F****.net will agree to this.

It's good that he give us good education, that we learn alot from him. :thumb:

He is expert lawyer for internet specialist. It look like he's computer freak.
 
:applause: I'm very happy for you Liebling!!

It's very good to get closure on this dragging conflict with a company and to have such wonderful & helpful people to understand your situation really does help, doesn't it? I am so relieved you don't have to pay as much as you thought you had to and I am even happier that the judge saw the situation in your perspective. Even though you were curious about the dial up situation, it was very wonderful you kept an open mind to query the F*** lawyer about this dial up situation about the splitter/dial up connection. If I were you, in this situation, I would be exasperated after such a long and dragging battle. Kudos to you for keeping such an optimistic state of mind!
 
I'm glad it over now! I proud of you! :D :D :D :D!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am happy that your lawyer help you and how to deal by 30 percent! :D! Now it over! Judge order both to think about to deal with 30 pecent in 3 weeks. But now it deal done! :D!!!!
 
Thank you :thumb:

I will update either F****.net agree to this or not. They have 3 weeks time to think about.
 
Update: BAD NEWS!

We got a letter from our lawyer today telling us that the other lawyer of F***.net reject the judge´s decision and make a new appointment for court. The reason they demand full of amount from us because this situation over double prices are not their or telecom´s responsible.

The next court appointment will be held on 20th July, 2005 at 8.00 am. This is a final decision, says my lawyer.

It look like that F****.net look for other lawyer to fight with us. :squint:

I´m speechless over those whole situation. :(
 
Liebling:-))) said:
We got a letter from our lawyer today telling us that the other lawyer of F***.net reject the judge´s decision and make a new appointment for court. :(
Wow, I am so sorry to hear that. German court is much different from American court. I thought the judge made the final decision. In our courts, the lawyers must accept the judge's decision. They can appeal the decision, but they cannot reject the decision. The lawyers must obey the judge here.
 
Reba said:
Wow, I am so sorry to hear that. German court is much different from American court. I thought the judge made the final decision. In our courts, the lawyers must accept the judge's decision. They can appeal the decision, but they cannot reject the decision. The lawyers must obey the judge here.

The judge of District court can give lawyer 3 weeks time to appeal the decision in writing with reason and then apply Regional court for their final decision.

The judge of District court remind the lawyer of F****.net about the court cost etc if they reject his judgment and then go to Regional court for their final decision which it cost a lot of money. The lawyer knows their judgment either it’s right nor not and give their client advise to apply for an appeal to this decision.

Example what I had an experience with the owner of building company in the past.

The building company rejected to against Judge’s decision 3 times. We battled for 5 years and I won 3 times. The worker of building company hit my parking car and admits their mistake with no complication but the problem is we need a car badly for travel to work every day. The building company has to rent the car for me to use for go to work every day until my car done with repair/color. I used rental car for long 2 weeks which it cost building company awful a lot of money, that why it got the owner of building company mad and blame the garage for take so long to finish done with my car than he expected. He expect my car should be finish done within 3 to 5 days, not 2 weeks. I rejected his suggestion to pay half of rental car cost and explain that I can't help it that my car was damage and need to be repair and color. They sued me and also garage, too. The judge invited people from garage to question. They showed the proof how hard/complication they did with my damage car and so take long to dry the color on my car etc… It cost building company a lot of money to battle to have their rights against me over the cost of rental car. :crazy: condition.


I was not surprised that F****.net make a appeal against this decision. :ugh:
 
Good New

I was total surprised when my hubby showed me the letter from lawyer straight way as I came home from work today saying that the lawyer of F****.net phone my lawyer and the court yesterday (Monday morning) say that his client gave up and want to cancel court appointment of 20th July!!!!!!! I was like :jaw: and can´t beleive it. The letter from F****.net is on the way to my lawyer & court by today to confirm that the court appointment are cancel and agree to have us to pay only €300.00 and then forget it. *whew*

We are total surprised that they give up and don´t want go through at court with us. It got us wondering why they changed their mind. :eek:
 
HAHAHAHHAHAH... F*****. net must be tired of their expense on lawyer and dream to get your $$$$$$$$$$ but figures their even think twice will come worst look bad their repluation company... Not worth.. (my guess wild goes look good?)

Who knows... *snickers*~:naughty:
 
Wow, interesting, sorry that I missed this thread and glad to see that you've won your case against them... :applause:


Never mess with Liebling :giggle:
 
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