Possible Obama Assasination attempt foiled

[jillio]

It is already discussed in TIME magazine or somewhere that Michelle is very much like Kennedy wife. Cindy McCain makes kids cry and nudists wear clothes. Family Values... that's usually Republicans' traditional main point. DNC is more of "one for all, all for one"

She also steals drugs alloted to the treament of poor children. So much for the humanitarian qualities of the Rebublican faction.

 

[Jiro]

Obama dissenters are providing nothing of substance and I'm calling them out on it.

What are you going to do about it? Unless it resorts to personal attacks (which in my case, it hasn't), there's not much else you can do but disagree.

and you're launching a tirade on Reba for calling him a Marxist. you're angry about people painting him as "inexperienced, unproven, and untested." What's up with that?

 

[BradB08]

and you're launching a tirade on Reba for calling him a Marxist. you're angry about people painting him as "inexperienced, unproven, and untested." What's up with that?

I was calling her out on her ignorance. There's a difference.

People who continue to repeat the "inexperienced, unproven, untested" meme, should add "unpredictable" and apply all to John McCain. As a Senator, he's proven that he's a hot-head, he's out of touch with America and he backs Bush 100%. As a President, who knows what he would do? I don't trust him.

 

[Jiro]

She also steals drugs alloted to the treament of poor children. So much for the humanitarian qualities of the Rebublican faction.

notice the keyword - "usually.." because obviously there are some bad apples. There are some true Republicans who served the country well... like James Baker.... John McCain (the old McCain from 10 years ago)... Abe Lincoln (obviously too long ago)... Teddy Roosevelt... Jim Jeffords (now an independent)... Michael Bloomberg (now an independent too)...

 

[Jiro]

I was calling her out on her ignorance. There's a difference.

no same thing. you're angry at her as much as you are to people who think he's muslim. Telling her to research more? That's funny to say cuz that's like an new amateur telling a long-time scientist or a historian - "Your finding/theory/comment/etc is flawed. GO RESEARCH MORE!

People who continue to repeat the "inexperienced, unproven, untested" meme, should add "unpredictable" and apply all to John McCain. As a Senator, he's proven that he's a hot-head, he's out of touch with America and he backs Bush 100%. As a President, who knows what he would do? I don't trust him.

that's fine. I don't trust Obama either. You want to say McCain backed Bush 100% but I think not. But that's ok. I don't need to call you an ignorant or blind and you should exercise same restraint.

 

[jillio]

I was calling her out on her ignorance. There's a difference.

People who continue to repeat the "inexperienced, unproven, untested" meme, should add "unpredictable" and apply all to John McCain. As a Senator, he's proven that he's a hot-head, he's out of touch with America and he backs Bush 100%. As a President, who knows what he would do? I don't trust him.

I have yet to see any valid, point by point substantiation of Obama's policy as related to Marxism. I personally, would like to see that allegation substantiated with fact. Until then, however, it is considered to be nothing more than more conservative smear tactic. It falls into the same category of "He's a Muslim." Unfortunately, there are those that will hang onto their obviously disproven and mistaken beliefs despite all of the evidence tot he contrary. Rigid thinking is abundant.

 

[Jiro]

I have yet to see any valid, point by point substantiation of Obama's policy as related to Marxism. I personally, would like to see that allegation substantiated with fact. Until then, however, it is considered to be nothing more than more conservative smear tactic. It falls into the same category of "He's a Muslim." Unfortunately, there are those that will hang onto their obviously disproven and mistaken beliefs despite all of the evidence tot he contrary. Rigid thinking is abundant.

perhaps she does not need to spoon-feed you everything. perhaps this is the thing where you can find out for yourself unless you're blinded by Obama to see anything else. I guess we'll just sit tight and let her comment on that marxist stuff. I'm not exactly calling him a Marxist but his "vision" does slightly resemble the Marxism.

 

[jillio]

perhaps she does not need to spoon-feed you everything. perhaps this is the thing where you can find out for yourself unless you're blinded by Obama to see anything else. I guess we'll just sit tight and let her comment on that marxist stuff. I'm not exactly calling him a Marxist but his "vision" does slightly resemble the Marxism.

And perhaps it is more likely that a valid comparison can't be made. Given the lack thereof, this is the more likely explanation. Those who can substantiate do. Those who can't continually attempt to ignore the requests for substantiation.

If his "vision slightly resembles Marxism", please elaborate on those points and the resemblance. To refuse to do negates your claim.

 

[Jiro]

And perhaps it is more likely that a valid comparison can't be made. Given the lack thereof, this is the more likely explanation. Those who can substantiate do. Those who can't continually attempt to ignore the requests for substantiation.

perhaps she's busy and she does not spend as much time on AD as we do . I'm sure she will respond to the request. if not - tough luck.

 

[jillio]

perhaps she's busy and she does not spend as much time on AD as we do . I'm sure she will respond to the request. if not - tough luck.

Then how about if you respond? You have drawn the same parralels between Obama's vision and Marxism. Surely you have the knowledge necessary to not just parrot another's words, but to subtantiate them with valid reasoning and comparison.

 

[Jiro]

Then how about if you respond? You have drawn the same parralels between Obama's vision and Marxism. Surely you have the knowledge necessary to not just parrot another's words, but to subtantiate them with valid reasoning and comparison.

I said "slightly similar." Again - I've already mentioned it in my previous post and my long post which you disregarded as "garbage." Obama's and DC's vision is - "one for all, all for one" as in.... equality for all regardless of class in terms of $$$. I say - fuck no! There should be rich and poor and middle. Not one class. Sorry. I believe this should be sufficient for you to understand.

 

[jillio]

I said "slightly similar." Again - I've already mentioned it in my previous post and my long post which you disregarded as "garbage." Obama's and DC's vision is - "one for all, all for one" as in.... equality for all regardless of class in terms of $$$. I say - fuck no! There should be rich and poor and middle. Not one class. Sorry. I believe this should be sufficient for you to understand.

Equal opportunity for all does not imply equal class status for all. That is a point that you fail to account for.

And, again, please explain the similar points contained in Marxism to those of the candidate's vision. Perhaps you don't have an understanding of the prinicples of Marxism or the principles of democracy? If you had that understanding, it should be a very simple matter to compare and contrast those point and add some validity to your claim.

 

[Jiro]

Equal opportunity for all does not imply equal class status for all. That is a point that you fail to account for.

And, again, please explain the similar points contained in Marxism to those of the candidate's vision. Perhaps you don't have an understanding of the prinicples of Marxism or the principles of democracy? If you had that understanding, it should be a very simple matter to compare and contrast those point and add some validity to your claim.

if it's that simple, then it would be easily implemented! Gonna have to take a pass on this.

 

[jillio]

if it's that simple, then it would be easily implemented! Gonna have to take a pass on this.

Simple to make the claim, but not simple to substantiate it? Indicative of a lack of reasoning and thought.

I will accept your concession.

 

[Jiro]

Simple to make the claim, but not simple to substantiate it? Indicative of a lack of reasoning and thought.

I will accept your concession.

if it were that simple - then the books/papers about democracy and Marxism would be just 2 pages, no? Ever seen a debate that would end in consensual agreement within 1 min? so yea I'm not in mood to get into lengthy discussion. Not today. If you want to start - go ahead. I'll pitch in now and then. or maybe not.

 

[Jiro]

Don't know where this should go but since this is more heavily discussed between Obama and McCain.... I'll post it here

Straight Talk Express (** warning - it's about John McCain!!)

 

[jillio]

if it were that simple - then the books/papers about democracy and Marxism would be just 2 pages, no? Ever seen a debate that would end in consensual agreement within 1 min? so yea I'm not in mood to get into lengthy discussion. Not today. If you want to start - go ahead. I'll pitch in now and then. or maybe not.

Start simple. Give me one point where the similarities can be compared and contrasted. You don't need to do a treatise on Marxism or democracy. Yo only have to pick one single point and support it.

Being "in the mood" is not the issue. If one is in the mood to throw about accusations and disconnected thoughts, one should be prepared to adequately defend their position. Failure to do so leaves the original thought without any validity whatsoever, and is nothing more than mindless attempts at propoganda.

 

[jillio]

Don't know where this should go but since this is more heavily discussed between Obama and McCain.... I'll post it here

Straight Talk Express (** warning - it's about John McCain!!)

That was a perfect example of McCain double talk that never manages to answer a direct question. No wonder his followers fall into the same trap.

 

[Jiro]

Start simple. Give me one point where the similarities can be compared and contrasted. You don't need to do a treatise on Marxism or democracy. Yo only have to pick one single point and support it.

Being "in the mood" is not the issue. If one is in the mood to throw about accusations and disconnected thoughts, one should be prepared to adequately defend their position. Failure to do so leaves the original thought without any validity whatsoever, and is nothing more than mindless attempts at propoganda.

fair enough. although - I'll have to get back to you on that later tonight when I'm off the work. I'll have to seep thru Obama's homepage and find the exact wording from it - for the sake of accuracy and avoiding confusion.

 

[jillio]

fair enough. although - I'll have to get back to you on that later tonight when I'm off the work. I'll have to seep thru Obama's homepage and find the exact wording from it - for the sake of accuracy and avoiding confusion.

I await your reply. Don't forget.