just joking..Does every topic have to turn into a topic on education???
For the defense of hearing people.. most hearing people have very little interaction with deafies.. I would take a guess that the average heariqueng person can count on one hand the number of times they have had a interaction with a deaf person in more context than just simple tasks.. checking out at a store.. ordering food.. things like that..
I had normal hearing up until I was 25, completely deaf now, and I would say that I was the first deaf person I ever met, so I can understand the lack of interaction with deafies.
I would not go so far as to call it ignorance due to the harsh nature of the word.. how about using something like... unaware?
Anyways.. back to the annoying comment part of the topic.. I know more than a few people have had co-workers or aquaintences ask or talk about learning ASL.. One question I remember was a lady I used to work with who did nothing more at the office than go from department to department talking and gossiping.. she walked into my area and just poked around the prototype bench for a few minutes.. than tried to start a discussion regarding ASL.. She mentioned how she has always wanted to learn ASL.. blah blah blah.. but she just didn't have the time.. so.. what was I supposed to do?
Its like someone saying they always wanted to learn how to play poker, like most people, its mostly BS that comes out of their mouth just so they can hear themselves talk
I told her that the local Barnes and Noble had a new series of ASL on CD so you can learn in your car on the way to work.. She said something to the effect of thanks..and I'll check it out tonight.. Funny thing... she didn't really come around my design area anymore after that..
Again, they just wanted to hear themselves talk!
Now maybe that was a bit to harsh.. and probably not a good thing to do in regards to ASL.. but damn if it wasn't funny!
I was sitting and read this topic. And my eyes caught the bold statement of the quote that I dont agree with this very much since what s wrong with lip movement that we can use our spoken languages without voice in Deaf Education. If, Am I correct that I am thinking of opposite side of yours? .. Spoken langauge is that related to oral method rules that will interfere Deaf children from learning in the classroom as well as you said Dont use your voice with your Hearing children while you are signing ASL with them. I believe it s the same concept for Deaf children s need that should come first before spoken language with voices. I believe it does not really matter anymore. Since most of deafies do get their interpreter that is what I am puzzled about it in classroom or college. It doesnt make any sense to me anymore to have the requirement to use spoken language with voices. I feel that it should be Deaf children s choices to make their own decision to feel the comfort of using their hands with or without voices.
I am curious to see if I get the concept of what you are saying unless I misunderstood you.
Thanks!
Sweetmind
at the number who ask me if I drive a car and then say "I didn't think deaf were allowed to drive". Some then say "no offensive, but" (you know it will be offensive when this is said) it wouldn't be safe for them to drive if they couldn't hear. Ok, but it is safe for me. :|
I don't get annoyed with questions because I assume people are trying to learn. But I am
People are more accepting in the GLBT community and seem to know more sign offhand than str8 people at times...
I have two friends who are gay (maybe others, but I don't know) and I don't know any lesbians, bis, or trans. So limited expereince, but how do the cultures overlap? I don't mean to argue or offend. I have never seen that statement before and am curious.
I have two friends who are gay (maybe others, but I don't know) and I don't know any lesbians, bis, or trans. So limited expereince, but how do the cultures overlap? I don't mean to argue or offend. I have never seen that statement before and am curious.
No offense taken.
I'm thinking that the cultures overlap from a standpoint of both being minorities. For me, my experience is within the lesbian community. There, we embrace all that is female, and we don't look at our deaf friends as disabled... we look at them as differently-abled.
I wish all hearing people thought like that. If they did, then all children would go to school together, and ASL classes would be just as important as English classes.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I wish for that too!
rock on Jill
and last night on the dinner table at a relatives freind's. She remarked to me ' well you can talk, if you havent learnt to talk then you can't talk with us" I hated it, but what am I supposed to say to such arrogant hearings? I mean I even said " thats' the arrogancy of hearing people assumming deaf should be talking!" you have no idea how hard it is, (and even when they acknowledges this, they go out on a so-called empathy gestures, but we ALL know well its NOT, it is a veiled patronising shyte) it seems there's no way to get talking thru this brick wall. like some people seem to believe they HAVE a very CLEAR idea of 'what's its all about' but this well-developed knowledge somewhat can equate to a well-developed arrogancy!" Id love to see, or know if there's an article or textbook covering to explain just what is this problem. It surely would be fascinating I'd tell you.
Anthropology is great, but i sometimes worry they are too bent on the 'nice side of descriptive aspect of ethnology', and because of this - I get deeply suspicious that they have nothing to say, or gutless. (is it so they keep their position/job in universities for not rocking the boat?), hmmmm I wonder......
Anyways,
The one thing I REALLY hate, is when people start to emphasise the movement of their lips, talk like those singers who aren't actually singing but exaggeratedly lip syncing, and they talk twice as loud and get right in my face. I mean... I do appreciate that they're trying to 'help' me, but frankly, even if I needed them to do that, I'm too busy trying to back away from them invading my personal space, not to mention how am I supposed to lipread someone who is right in my face? I can't see much. And anyway, when someone starts doing that, I don't get offended or annoyed til later... instead I have to try my best not to burst into laughter. Some of them make themselves look really stupid.
It's hard for hearing people to know what to do around deaf/hard of hearing people, because there's such a varied way of how the deaf/heard of hearing people are like, that they don't have a clue what's the best thing to do. They don't know what it's like for us, meaning it's hard to understand, and they just do what the first thing that comes to their mind is.
Then you get the idiots who generally just stupid and could do with a little common sense.
We can't win!
Especially the very bottom of your post that didn't get copied here.