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[Frisky Feline]

I can make that suggestion to some of my students' parents. I just wish they would take the time to learn their children's language.

I am sure that parents don't mind like We do. Our both kids' teachers did note that they encourage us to make sure that our kids do read the books each day for 20 to 25 minutes, but for oldest girl, 25 mins and boy, 20 and tell what name of books and tell a little story about it every friday. I am impressed with teachers that I do not mind if teachers ask us to make sure kids reading the books. I know they are hearing but they still need to see words.

don't ask me about homework! lol

 

[LinuxGold]

Most of them say that learning ASL is too hard for them, they dont have time, their child should learn to speak so they wont learn ASL, and many more reasons. I cant twist their arms to make them learn ASL.

Use what works! Whether it be ASL, coed speech, raspberry tongue, ufo, etc...

 

[LinuxGold]

Most of them say that learning ASL is too hard for them, they dont have time, their child should learn to speak so they wont learn ASL, and many more reasons. I cant twist their arms to make them learn ASL.

On a second thought, since it is too hard for them, then it is too hard for a child to learn a language of any kind. They are balanced out, it is obvious that they are not WILLING to sacrifice their life, hard work to be able to communicate with their OWN child? Of course, to learn something new for both world would REQUIRE a struggle in ANY language, there is no bypass. AS LONG as they are able to communicate effectively, they are already on the road to success!

 

[faire_jour]

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So, as a parent of a Deaf child, I must endure the hate spewed at me every day by ignorant and hate-filled Deaf people, and say nothing, because they are Deaf?

You need to learn how to accept what comes with the environment. You cannot always think of YOUR own feelings because your daughter's feelings comes FIRST before you. The world doesn't revolve around you and your feelings, honey. **Newsflash**, it's not about you. Wake up and get with the program.

So, if there is only Deaf and hearing, and if one insults a single person, you insult the entire community, what are we supposed to think of the hundreds of threads talking about how awful hearing people are?

Now my dear, you understand decades of abuse we went through. How do you think we feel growing up? Again, *Newsflash*, it's not about you honey or your feelings! Get with the program...

you want me to allow my child to be exposed to people who call her a zombie and a monster and "cringe when they see" her? I'm supposed to NOT defend her and her feelings and her right to be deaf? Just because she is not a clone of some ideal of what being deaf should be to you, does not mean she doesn't deserve to be respected and treated with dignity.

i have always respected the deaf community as being a welcoming place that was diverse and supportive. I had always assumed that there were extremists, like there are everywhere, but that, at it's heart, the deaf community would always be a place that my daughter could turn for support....the things you are saying are proving me wrong. You are saying that unless my child conforms to YOUR definition of who she should be as a deaf person, she isn't welcome.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

you want me to allow my child to be exposed to people who call her a zombie and a monster and "cringe when they see" her? I'm supposed to NOT defend her and her feelings and her right to be deaf? Just because she is not a clone of some ideal of what being deaf should be to you, does not mean she doesn't deserve to be respected and treated with dignity.

YOU automatically assume the Deaf community looks down at your daughter when that's not the case. You need to really look past your own insecurities you project onto your own daughter. I encourage YOU to seek counselling. Your own insecurities about your daughter's deafness is so evident in this post. Your own fears about your daughter's future will hinder her own personal and social growth because you self-project them onto her unwillingly. This will delay her growth in both Deaf and hearing communities, this isn't fair.. you're punishing her. I read your blog and already see your high expectations and your disappointments.

I urge you to seek counselling because you are using this board to self-project your issues. It's not right, faire_jour and you are doing MissKat a terrible disservice.

i have always respected the deaf community as being a welcoming place that was diverse and supportive. I had always assumed that there were extremists, like there are everywhere, but that, at it's heart, the deaf community would always be a place that my daughter could turn for support....the things you are saying are proving me wrong. You are saying that unless my child conforms to YOUR definition of who she should be as a deaf person, she isn't welcome.

Where did I say that Miss Kat had to conform to my definition? Again, self-projecting your issues onto me and the community. Please seek counselling.

 

[faire_jour]

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you want me to allow my child to be exposed to people who call her a zombie and a monster and "cringe when they see" her? I'm supposed to NOT defend her and her feelings and her right to be deaf? Just because she is not a clone of some ideal of what being deaf should be to you, does not mean she doesn't deserve to be respected and treated with dignity.

YOU automatically assume the Deaf community looks down at your daughter when that's not the case. You need to really look past your own insecurities you project onto your own daughter. I encourage YOU to seek counselling. Your own insecurities about your daughter's deafness is so evident in this post. Your own fears about your daughter's future will hinder her own personal and social growth because you self-project them onto her unwillingly. This will delay her growth in both Deaf and hearing communities, this isn't fair.. you're punishing her. I read your blog and already see your high expectations and your disappointments.

I urge you to seek counselling because you are using this board to self-project your issues. It's not right, faire_jour and you are doing MissKat a terrible disservice.

i have always respected the deaf community as being a welcoming place that was diverse and supportive. I had always assumed that there were extremists, like there are everywhere, but that, at it's heart, the deaf community would always be a place that my daughter could turn for support....the things you are saying are proving me wrong. You are saying that unless my child conforms to YOUR definition of who she should be as a deaf person, she isn't welcome.

Where did I say that Miss Kat had to conform to my definition? Again, self-projecting your issues onto me and the community. Please seek counselling.

i am not talking about what i "think", i am talking about what some Deaf people have flat out told me. Every single thing i have listed is something a person has directed at my child.

 

[LinuxGold]

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you want me to allow my child to be exposed to people who call her a zombie and a monster and "cringe when they see" her? I'm supposed to NOT defend her and her feelings and her right to be deaf? Just because she is not a clone of some ideal of what being deaf should be to you, does not mean she doesn't deserve to be respected and treated with dignity.

i have always respected the deaf community as being a welcoming place that was diverse and supportive. I had always assumed that there were extremists, like there are everywhere, but that, at it's heart, the deaf community would always be a place that my daughter could turn for support....the things you are saying are proving me wrong. You are saying that unless my child conforms to YOUR definition of who she should be as a deaf person, she isn't welcome.

I understand your point of view, I completely agree about being "Exposed to people that calls names". I've been there, believe me. My parents taught me to ignore them and NOT to take it to heart. "Let fool BE fool".

At one point when I was in back seat and my dad driving, I stared at a lady completely handicapped in a wheelchair, my dad immediately told me, "Do you like people to stare at you like that?" and since then I gave them more respect because I CAN relate with them.

I am not saying that you should NOT protect them, it is your EVERY right to protect them as I would to my child. I agree with that. But at some point we need to prepare them to be on their own when they get older. What is the best way to prepare them at earliest? Let them be exposed, observe them and assist the best way you can, help them to learn on how to deal with them on their own.

There might be a group of extremist in here bluntly giving suggestions that sounds like they are swords. They DO NOT REPRESENT a true deaf community in general. What I mean is when they are in deaf community, they tend to provide support whenever they are requested, PERIOD. But when they are online, they tend to become more DEFENSIVE and POLITICAL than what is necessary.

My suggestion would be to attend the actual deaf culture, deaf culture is not just that a culture in singularity. There are diverse cultures within a culture similar to a hearing culture. Geek culture, preppy culture, HoH culture, ASL culture, PSL culture, late deafened culture and so on. I, myself, prefer to be with deaf poet culture, who loves to read and write poems, which is very rare.

I also love to CHALLENGE deaf culture to excel in English expertise and CHALLENGE those who think low of themselves with "can't do" attitude (sounds familiar in hearing society?)

 

[Mrs Bucket]

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i am not talking about what i "think", i am talking about what some Deaf people have flat out told me. Every single thing i have listed is something a person has directed at my child.

You are bringing outsiders' perspectives here and making it our problem, don't do that.

That's self-projection. Again, there you go with you and your feelings. Are you going to walk around life with a wounded exterior and a bleeding heart?

It's never going to work for you and especially for your daughter. She needs a parent that can stand on her own two feet without being a simpering minion.

I am very sorry you didn't have a perfect baby daughter but you're gonna have to grow the spine your daughter needs you to. Words are just words, they bounce off.

Take a look at the Deaf Community, we've gone through a whole lot worse sh*t than you have and you don't see us as simpering minions. We've been standing up for our rights here and yet you've got the ball*y nerve to just think of your own feelings.

Get with the program!

 

[jillio]

YOU automatically assume the Deaf community looks down at your daughter when that's not the case. You need to really look past your own insecurities you project onto your own daughter. I encourage YOU to seek counselling. Your own insecurities about your daughter's deafness is so evident in this post. Your own fears about your daughter's future will hinder her own personal and social growth because you self-project them onto her unwillingly. This will delay her growth in both Deaf and hearing communities, this isn't fair.. you're punishing her. I read your blog and already see your high expectations and your disappointments.

I urge you to seek counselling because you are using this board to self-project your issues. It's not right, faire_jour and you are doing MissKat a terrible disservice.


Where did I say that Miss Kat had to conform to my definition? Again, self-projecting your issues onto me and the community. Please seek counselling.

Again,

 

[jillio]

You are bringing outsiders' perspectives here and making it our problem, don't do that.

That's self-projection. Again, there you go with you and your feelings. Are you going to walk around life with a wounded exterior and a bleeding heart?

It's never going to work for you and especially for your daughter. She needs a parent that can stand on her own two feet without being a simpering minion.

I am very sorry you didn't have a perfect baby daughter but you're gonna have to grow the spine your daughter needs you to. Words are just words, they bounce off.

Take a look at the Deaf Community, we've gone through a whole lot worse sh*t than you have and you don't see us as simpering minions. We've been standing up for our rights here and yet you've got the ball*y nerve to just think of your own feelings.

Get with the program!

**five hands waving in the air and jillio jumping up and down**

 

[faire_jour]

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you want me to allow my child to be exposed to people who call her a zombie and a monster and "cringe when they see" her? I'm supposed to NOT defend her and her feelings and her right to be deaf? Just because she is not a clone of some ideal of what being deaf should be to you, does not mean she doesn't deserve to be respected and treated with dignity.

i have always respected the deaf community as being a welcoming place that was diverse and supportive. I had always assumed that there were extremists, like there are everywhere, but that, at it's heart, the deaf community would always be a place that my daughter could turn for support....the things you are saying are proving me wrong. You are saying that unless my child conforms to YOUR definition of who she should be as a deaf person, she isn't welcome.

I understand your point of view, I completely agree about being "Exposed to people that calls names". I've been there, believe me. My parents taught me to ignore them and NOT to take it to heart. "Let fool BE fool".

At one point when I was in back seat and my dad driving, I stared at a lady completely handicapped in a wheelchair, my dad immediately told me, "Do you like people to stare at you like that?" and since then I gave them more respect because I CAN relate with them.

I am not saying that you should NOT protect them, it is your EVERY right to protect them as I would to my child. I agree with that. But at some point we need to prepare them to be on their own when they get older. What is the best way to prepare them at earliest? Let them be exposed, observe them and assist the best way you can, help them to learn on how to deal with them on their own.

There might be a group of extremist in here bluntly giving suggestions that sounds like they are swords. They DO NOT REPRESENT a true deaf community in general. What I mean is when they are in deaf community, they tend to provide support whenever they are requested, PERIOD. But when they are online, they tend to become more DEFENSIVE and POLITICAL than what is necessary.

My suggestion would be to attend the actual deaf culture, deaf culture is not just that a culture in singularity. There are diverse cultures within a culture similar to a hearing culture. Geek culture, preppy culture, HoH culture, ASL culture, PSL culture, late deafened culture and so on. I, myself, prefer to be with deaf poet culture, who loves to read and write poems, which is very rare.

I also love to CHALLENGE deaf culture to excel in English expertise and CHALLENGE those who think low of themselves with "can't do" attitude (sounds familiar in hearing society?)

before today, i would have completely agreed with you. Unfortunatly, in two different threads, i have been told " there is only Deaf vs hearing" and that even hoh is unacceptable.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

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before today, i would have completely agreed with you. Unfortunatly, in two different threads, i have been told " there is only Deaf vs hearing" and that even hoh is unacceptable.

Don't twist my words!

I said HoH is socially unacceptable.

For some Deaf people, there is only Deaf and hearing.

Stop making this about yourself and again stop twisting my words.

I would be very happy to quote my own comments to prove you wrong.

 

[jillio]

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before today, i would have completely agreed with you. Unfortunatly, in two different threads, i have been told " there is only Deaf vs hearing" and that even hoh is unacceptable.

You are projecting your issues onto what you read and it causes you to misunderstand the contextual message in the posts. Mrs. B is correct. Stop making everything a battle of you vs. everyone else. It is not about you. No matter who someone replies to, you take it to be directed at you. Get over yourself.

 

[Banjo]

It never ends. I see this in the parents of deaf children all of the times. Their children are always the one who end up getting hurt the most of all.

 

[jillio]

It never ends. I see this in the parents of deaf children all of the times. Their children are always the one who end up getting hurt the most of all.

Yes, yes, yes!!!!! IT IS ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!

 

[Bottesini]

**five hands waving in the air and jillio jumping up and down**

Now I am scared! Why do you have five hands??

 

[LinuxGold]

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before today, i would have completely agreed with you. Unfortunatly, in two different threads, i have been told " there is only Deaf vs hearing" and that even hoh is unacceptable.

Remember what I said about them being ONLINE? They tend to be MORE political and defensive than necessary. Political statement TEND TO BE INCONSISTENT, agreed? In REAL life, I know few of my DEAF friend who tend to have hard feelings against hoh, but when they encounter them, they treated them as part of deaf culture. What gives?

Do not take any statements in here as "Final", those words are HYPOCRITES, do not base your decisions on what you see in those threads. It is like basing our decisions from what we see in NEWSPAPERS, they're not entirely true isn't it? Do you see a representation of yourself in newspaper that is WIDELY misunderstood as someone terrible?

 

[Banjo]

Now I am scared! Why do you have five hands??

Maybe she's a Brahmā.

 

[jillio]

Now I am scared! Why do you have five hands??

Genetic anomaly. Helps with multi-tasking, though.

 

[shel90]

Also, I wanted to add...many of us who are in the Deaf community has had hearing perspectives pushed on us numerous times when we were growing up. So, being told that ASL is not the language of the majority, deaf children need to interact with hearing children, having better hearing gives us more opportunities, and vice versa is not new information to many of us. That's why many of us arent jumping up and down with glee at all this perspectives.