Obama's praise for giving Vick 2nd Chance

vick should not be in the sport field ever again. He should know better about it. It gave a bad impression to young kids who look up at pro players who killed animals. oh please!
 
Cookie Monster said:
Is it necessary for Obama to praise Vick instead millions of us struggle to earn 2nd chance.
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No, it's not necessary; it's designed to spark a social/political/economic conversation about how society treats criminals after they are released from a prison.

It's all about timing. Had Obama told the Philadephia Eagles owner those same lines when Vick was first signed last year, Obama would've been in deeper poo. And think about it, it pressures Vick to hold his word. I see more positive than negative about what Obama did in this situation.
 
craigm26 said:
No, it's not necessary; it's designed to spark a social/political/economic conversation about how society treats criminals after they are released from a prison.
It's all about timing. Had Obama told the Philadephia Eagles owner those same lines when Vick was first signed last year, Obama would've been in deeper poo. And think about it, it pressures Vick to hold his word. I see more positive than negative about what Obama did in this situation.
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Bingo.
 
souggy said:
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I wish I can use a religious joke half-heartedly here.

I knew an animal abuser who justified his actions by taking a few passage in the Bible literally.
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People who bomb abortion clinics do that too.
 
Frisky Feline said:
vick should not be in the sport field ever again. He should know better about it. It gave a bad impression to young kids who look up at pro players who killed animals. oh please!
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Yeah, before Vick grew up.

The Vick case might've signaled a lot of other people that "hey you'll get caught, don't do it cause it'll be h-e-double hockey sticks for you".

These days, would you use the example of Vick being a role model, try to spin his ability to be a better ex-convict (hey kids...this man had bad influences/friends/environment...which was the primary moral comprising factor...served time and managed to get his life back on track), or purely just a criminal and shouldn't do anything more in life (i.e. hard labor in prison)? There is no right answer to this question...it's just how I frame the debate...your opinion is respected.
 
Right. This is not about Vick's criminal act. It is about whether we believe in the human being's fundamental ability to change and make amends for past behavior if the proper circumstances are available.
 
craigm26 said:
Yeah, before Vick grew up.

The Vick case might've signaled a lot of other people that "hey you'll get caught, don't do it cause it'll be h-e-double hockey sticks for you".

These days, would you use the example of Vick being a role model, try to spin his ability to be a better ex-convict (hey kids...this man had bad influences/friends/environment...which was the primary moral comprising factor...served time and managed to get his life back on track), or purely just a criminal and shouldn't do anything more in life (i.e. hard labor in prison)? There is no right answer to this question...it's just how I frame the debate...your opinion is respected.
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see, role model. what about others who did the same thing what vick did and others didn't get the second chance. it is just because he's a famous one. it's so wrong. He's over 21 and still doing the unnecessary things to animals. Get real! Understandable if he were a minor and got the second chance. but he's adult. so it does not look good for him.
 
Frisky Feline said:
see, role model. what about others who did the same thing what vick did and others didn't get the second chance. it is just because he's a famous one. it's so wrong. He's over 21 and still doing the unnecessary things to animals. Get real! Understandable if he were a minor and got the second chance. but he's adult. so it does not look good for him.
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Anybody know how his accomplices turned out?

Regardless, it's more about taking the time to pause and go well, "Are we turning away criminals from jobs that are completely unrelated to the crime that they committed?"...We should be doing that, I think and if Vick/Obama timing hadn't happened we wouldn't be taking this pause.
 
craigm26 said:
Anybody know how his accomplices turned out?

Regardless, it's more about taking the time to pause and go well, "Are we turning away criminals from jobs that are completely unrelated to the crime that they committed?"...We should be doing that, I think and if Vick/Obama timing hadn't happened we wouldn't be taking this pause.
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Good question about his accomplices. Vick can always be a water boy for the football. :aw:
 
Yeah I would agree that it'd be wrong to single out Vick by being given a 2nd chance. We should extend that "social" courtesy to other ex-convicts too.
 
Frisky Feline said:
see, role model. what about others who did the same thing what vick did and others didn't get the second chance. it is just because he's a famous one. it's so wrong. He's over 21 and still doing the unnecessary things to animals. Get real! Understandable if he were a minor and got the second chance. but he's adult. so it does not look good for him.
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So, people can't change after they are 21?
 
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It's never about Vick. Never is.



Vick is just some poor big-name sap who got chosen as a martyr in the name of prison reform.
 
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souggy said:
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It's never about Vick. Never is.

Vick is just some poor sap who got chosen as a martyr in the name of prison reform.
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And only because he is a public figure that garners attention. But, I also will add, prison reform is sorely needed in this country.
 
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