Obama the meanie - to cut off humanitarian aid to one of poorest countries in area

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souggy said:
To be honest, what they should had done is defeat the notion of extending the presidential terms, not remove him by force. Otherwise it's a coup.
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Some things you and others should know....again.


June 24 - President Manuel Zelaya fires the military chief of staff after the army refuses to help distribute ballots for an unofficial vote on whether Hondurans would back a referendum on lifting constitutional limits on presidential terms.

-- Critics say the vote is a veiled attempt by Zelaya to enable him to seek re-election, a charge he denies.

June 25 - The Supreme Court orders army chief reinstated. Zelaya leads a group of rowdy supporters to storm a military base and take ballots by force.

June 28 - On the day of the vote, soldiers stage a coup, arresting Zelaya in an early-morning raid on his house and, still in his pajamas, exiling him to Costa Rica.
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Read the rest.
TIMELINE-Hondurans pick new president in coup crisis - Forbes.com

Note: There's a missing timeline between June 25 and June 28. This is expanded in a Bloomberg's article on the event.


Honduras’s military acted under judicial orders in deposing President Manuel Zelaya, Supreme Court Justice Rosalinda Cruz said, rejecting the view of President Barack Obama and other leaders that he was toppled in a coup.

“The only thing the armed forces did was carry out an arrest order,” Cruz, 55, said in a telephone interview from the capital, Tegucigalpa. “There’s no doubt he was preparing his own coup by conspiring to shut down the congress and courts.”

Cruz said the court issued a sealed arrest order for Zelaya on June 26, charging him with treason and abuse of power, among other offenses. Zelaya had repeatedly breached the constitution by pushing ahead with a vote about rewriting the nation’s charter that the court ruled illegal, and which opponents contend would have paved the way for a prohibited second term.

She compared Zelaya’s tactics, including his dismissal of the armed forces chief for obeying a court order to impound ballots to be used in the vote, with those of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

“Some say it was not Zelaya but Chavez governing,” she said.

Arrest Order

The arrest order she cited, approved unanimously by the court’s 15 justices, was released this afternoon along with documents pertaining to a secret investigation that went on for weeks under the high court’s supervision.

Zelaya said yesterday he had no plans to seek re-election when his four-year term ends in January. In an interview with Spanish newspaper El Pais the day before his overthrow, he said the non-binding vote, which included a question on allowing re- election, would only benefit his successor.

Cruz acknowledged that the interim government faced a “very difficult” task trying to sway the U.S. and other countries to recognize its authority.

“But as a sovereign and independent nation, we have the right to freely decide to remove a president who was violating our laws,” she said. “Unfortunately our voice hasn’t been heard.”
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Honduras Supreme Court Judge Defends President Ouster (Update1) - Bloomberg.com

If you haven't figured out by now is that, again, Zelaya tried more than once to subvert the Honduras constitution to seek an illegal vote to extend the presidential term limit that the court already ruled illegal. Yet, Zelaya tried to have it his own way by storming a Honduras military base in the attempt to take the ballots (that came from Venezuela under Hugo's supervision) by force with his own rowdy band of supporters.

Zelaya was nutso and was trying regain control of his dictatorship agenda but failed spectacularly. No wonder you had several countries with despot leaders who supported Zelaya for his re-instatement back into the Honduras govt as president.
 
More news and a slap in the face for Obama when the Honduras govt essentially tells him to pound sand.

MPs in Honduras have voted overwhelmingly against reinstating President Manuel Zelaya, shrugging off international pressure four months after a coup that has isolated one of the poorest countries in the Americas.

As the vote continued, more than two-thirds of members of Congress had voted not to return the deposed president to power for the remainder of his term, which ends on January 27, as Washington and many Latin American governments had urged.

Honduran media put the ongoing vote at 98-12, well in excess of the simple majority needed in the 128-member, single-chamber Congress for the vote against restoring Mr Zelaya to succeed.
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Congress voted and the majority spoke. Zelaya won't be coming back. And because of Obama's idiotic interference they felt obliged to defend their own democracy in action by voting against the idea of dictatorship.

Politician after politician insisted that they were right the first time when they voted to oust Mr Zelaya for ignoring a Supreme Court order to cancel a referendum on changing the constitution. …

“My vote is [a lesson] for anyone who pretends to perpetuate himself in power. My vote is so that my son can look at me and say ‘Dad, you defended democracy,” said Antonio Rivera of Mr Lobo’s conservative National Party.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6942029.ece

Let this be a lesson to him and for him to learn to take his medicine and shut up the next time.
 
why don't you take your medicine and shut up already? oh wait, free country.

:io:
 
The U.S. has a long history of meddling in Latin American affairs. Read The Shock Doctrine and be enlightened.
 
The difference is that Obama was wrong, Anakin.
 
When it comes to democracy the U.S. encourages it.
 
Um, yes.

An example...
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/legal/statutes/cda.pdf

Now, the U.S. is known to have done some of their own little incursions here and there. That isn't in dispute. But by and large the U.S. does encourage democracy in action in other countries.

Promote democracy as a means to achieve security, stability, and prosperity for the entire world;
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Democracy

Democracy in Iraq.
Kurdish lawmaker Ala Talabani told the Washington Post. "It's a nice feeling—that we're on the path of real democracy."
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Iraq Shows Democratic Progress - WSJ.com
 
Yeah...

Not really. They only interfere when it messes with American interests. Latin America is in their backyard, Turkey played a crucial role in acting as a buffer against the Russians. Central Asia (Iran, Afghanistan and so on) has a deep tie with Russians and still is important to them before and after the fall of the Soviet Union. Iraq acted as a buffer against Iran until Saddam got too greedy. Lebanon and Palestine? Look at the American-Israeli ties there.

Americans don't really interfere in countries where there's no impact on the American political-economic climate.
 
The geopolitical climate and influences are complex, no doubt. Yet it's better to encourage more democracy than no democracy at all simply because it helps level the playing field for everybody else in terms of human rights, religion, economic prosperity and freedom. And sure, encouraging democracy certainly helps protect America's interests as it does for other countries.
 
Egotistical chest thumper likes to hear self talk. In love with self.
Bored with the narcassistic behavior.
 
You do realize Americans have a long history of supporting dictators?

Installing democracy is just another phrase for "our minions revolted against us; we need to teach them a lesson."

I have to give credits to the Soviets over the British and Americans though: they don't word things insidiously about their reasonings behind supporting certain government.
 
kokonut said:
The geopolitical climate and influences are complex, no doubt. Yet it's better to encourage more democracy than no democracy at all simply because it helps level the playing field for everybody else in terms of human rights, religion, economic prosperity and freedom. And sure, encouraging democracy certainly helps protect America's interests as it does for other countries.
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really? so why did you support Switzerland's ban of minaret?
 
Cowpuppy said:
Egotistical chest thumper likes to hear self talk. In love with self.
Bored with the narcassistic behavior.
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Then don't read. Don't click on any of my threads or read my posts. Put me on ignore. Yet you complain?

Unreal.
 
souggy said:
You do realize Americans have a long history of supporting dictators?

Installing democracy is just another phrase for "our minions revolted against us; we need to teach them a lesson."

I have to give credits to the Soviets over the British and Americans though: they don't word things insidiously about their reasonings behind supporting certain government.
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Psst!

"The geopolitical climate and influences are complex, no doubt."
 
kokonut said:
Then don't read. Don't click on any of my threads or read my posts. Put me on ignore. Yet you complain?

Unreal.
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then don't reply back. put him/her on your ignore list.

whiner.
 
souggy said:
You do realize Americans have a long history of supporting dictators?

Installing democracy is just another phrase for "our minions revolted against us; we need to teach them a lesson."

I have to give credits to the Soviets over the British and Americans though: they don't word things insidiously about their reasonings behind supporting certain government.
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There are many evidences he chooses to ignore, this being one of them.
 
kokonut said:
Um, yes.

An example...
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/legal/statutes/cda.pdf

Now, the U.S. is known to have done some of their own little incursions here and there. That isn't in dispute. But by and large the U.S. does encourage democracy in action in other countries.


Democracy

Democracy in Iraq.


Iraq Shows Democratic Progress - WSJ.com
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Not in Latin America during 1960's-1970's, especially Chile, Brazil, Bolivia and Argentina are used to be military dictatorship due CIA sponsored to overthrow at democratically elected president who are left wing, that's NOT democracy action so quit bullshitting us.

Democracy in Iraq or Afghan don't work due rigged election, also is Iran too.

US support dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
 
kokonut said:
The geopolitical climate and influences are complex, no doubt. Yet it's better to encourage more democracy than no democracy at all simply because it helps level the playing field for everybody else in terms of human rights, religion, economic prosperity and freedom. And sure, encouraging democracy certainly helps protect America's interests as it does for other countries.
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America can't do whatever they want if people in other countries are elect the left wing government like Venezuela and Brazil.

You have accept and get deal with left wing government than being war against them.
 
Foxrac said:
Not in Latin America during 1960's-1970's, especially Chile, Brazil, Bolivia and Argentina are used to be military dictatorship due CIA sponsored to overthrow at democratically elected president who are left wing, that's NOT democracy action so quit bullshitting us.

Democracy in Iraq or Afghan don't work due rigged election, also is Iran too.

US support dictatorship in Saudi Arabia.
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That was 35 to 45 years ago. This is about now I'm talking about if you haven't noticed.

Saudi Arabia is a monarchy country.

Democracy continues to work and thrive in Iraq.
Iraq Sustainable Democracy Project

Iraq Shows Democratic Progress - WSJ.com

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/world/middleeast/09iraq.html
 
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