Obama has proposed his first budget.

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jillio said:
Again with the attempts at personal insults instead of sticking to the topic. Typical of one who has already lost the debate but doesn't have the humility to admit it.
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:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2: thanks for best laugh of the day.
 
Jiro said:
If you're referring to Minnesota bridge collapse, it's not entirely government's fault for that. The DOT had already labeled it as "structurally deficient" and the government has specific parameters for bridge. The company installed wrong gusset plates.
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The bridge was built in the early to mid 1960's. What parameters? "We need a death toll first, before repairs are authorized?" Any idea how much cheaper it would have been to repair the old bridge, instead of removing the old bridge, building a new one, and paying the victims and survivors large sums of money? It seems that it was passed on to future administrators until the big day.
 
saywhatkid said:
The bridge was built in the early to mid 1960's. What parameters? "We need a death toll first, before repairs are authorized?" Any idea how much cheaper it would have been to repair the old bridge, instead of removing the old bridge, building a new one, and paying the victims and survivors large sums of money? It seems that it was passed on to future administrators until the big day.
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The gusset plates were half the size of required specification. They were going to repair it but it broke before the repair can be done. and yes you can say this is a bunch of mickey mouse bureaucracy bullshit :(
 
saywhatkid said:
The bridge was built in the early to mid 1960's. What parameters? "We need a death toll first, before repairs are authorized?" Any idea how much cheaper it would have been to repair the old bridge, instead of removing the old bridge, building a new one, and paying the victims and survivors large sums of money? It seems that it was passed on to future administrators until the big day.
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Exactly. **sarcasm mode** we have to know the real cost of paying off victims and building a new bridge before we can do a cost benefit analysis **end sarcasm mode** Puts me vaguely in mind of the way that the Ford corp. handled the problems with the Pinto some years ago. Cheaper to pay off the victims that to make the necessary corrections in manufacturing standards.
 
jillio said:
Budget proposal good.
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Like what Picard always say - "Attention all crews! Brace for impact!"

(not that it's saying this budget proposal is good or bad but to sit tight and see what happens)
 
jillio said:
Exactly. **sarcasm mode** we have to know the real cost of paying off victims and building a new bridge before we can do a cost benefit analysis **end sarcasm mode** Puts me vaguely in mind of the way that the Ford corp. handled the problems with the Pinto some years ago. Cheaper to pay off the victims that to make the necessary corrections in manufacturing standards.
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true. that can be the Pinto case. I remember you telling me about that last year

Pinto case = :mad2::mad2::mad2:
 
Yes, that much is true. This happened during the current administration. They kept taxes lower, and shifted problems and responsibilities to the next guy. I do not blame the Bush crew completely, but they were the group in charge these last 8 years. There has been a Bush disciple running the show in Minnesota, a guy that is all about low taxes. He was one of the VP candidates for McCain. He has been in charge for several years now. Funny how they had no money for a repair (gusset plates would not be a real arduous task to replace) but when the thing went down, they had no problem finding funds to rebuild it. As for the fence in Mexico, it must be loaded with holes. My last visual observation: there are more Hispanics working in my state that ever before, and by a large margin. Maybe they can give the Hispanics jobs down there, making repairs and reinforcing the fence? Heck, maybe they can give ME a job down there....
Jiro said:
The gusset plates were half the size of required specification. They were going to repair it but it broke before the repair can be done. and yes you can say this is a bunch of mickey mouse bureaucracy bullshit :(
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jillio said:
Puts me vaguely in mind of the way that the Ford corp. handled the problems with the Pinto some years ago. Cheaper to pay off the victims that to make the necessary corrections in manufacturing standards.
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Ah yes the "Chariots of Fire"...
 
saywhatkid said:
Yes, that much is true. This happened during the current administration. They kept taxes lower, and shifted problems and responsibilities to the next guy. I do not blame the Bush crew completely, but they were the group in charge these last 8 years. There has been a Bush disciple running the show in Minnesota, a guy that is all about low taxes. He was one of the VP candidates for McCain. He has been in charge for several years now. Funny how they had no money for a repair (gusset plates would not be a real arduous task to replace) but when the thing went down, they had no problem finding funds to rebuild it. As for the fence in Mexico, it must be loaded with holes. My last visual observation: there are more Hispanics working in my state that ever before, and by a large margin. Maybe they can give the Hispanics jobs down there, making repairs and reinforcing the fence? Heck, maybe they can give ME a job down there....
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OUCH. that's gonna leave a mark for a long time! :gpost:
 
jillio said:
And, the burden falls on those members demanding that Liebling show proof to show proof of their own accusations.

It is clear to many that Liebling is being attacked simply because she is not an American.
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NOT TRUE! Are you trying to start something?

If you followed my posts over time you would see that I hash it out with several other members, who happen to be American.

In fact, are you an American? Do you and I go at it? OK.


... If you disagree with her opinion, then disagree with her opinion and substantiate your own without making your disagreement some sort of personal vindetta.
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That's what I do.
 
Reba said:
NOT TRUE! Are you trying to start something?

If you followed my posts over time you would see that I hash it out with several other members, who happen to be American.

In fact, are you an American? Do you and I go at it? OK.



That's what I do.
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Not trying to start anything at all. In fact, trying to put an end to the double standard.

How about that budget proposal?
 
I found this in the document about transportation for $72.5 billion transportation budget in 2010...

HIGH-SPEED RAIL NETWORKS
Initiates a new federal commitment to high speed rail. To provide Americans a 21st Century transportation system, the Ad-
ministration proposes an 5 year $5 billion high-speed rail State grant program. This proposal marks a new federal commitment to
give the traveling public a practical and environmentally sustainable alternative to flying or driving. Directed by the states, this
investment will lead to the creation of several high-speed rail corridors across the country linking regional population centers.
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This could be really good news! I wonder what states they will find it to? I think it's probably the funds for making it happen.
 
No doubt there would be one from N.Y to L.A. From that line, I'm sure it'll branch out everywhere else.
 
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