Obama Approval hits 50%...again....teeters

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sallylou said:
It's not a statistic because a statistic is based on an observable fact correlated with a dependent and an independent variable.

This is an opinion poll which has less probative value than a statistic. Opinion polls are not as carefully designed as a statistical experiment and are easier to manipulate than a statistic.
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Very true. And it has virtually no predictive value.
 
rockdrummer said:
Not really suspicious. To me it re-enforces why you have to take this information with a grain of salt. As Banjo said, it's all just a bunch of numbers that don't mean much to us average folks. It's the politicians that are probably the most interested in the numbers. My personal feelings usually do not coincide with the polls.
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Good point..
 
rockdrummer said:
With all due respect I disagree. to me taking something with a grain of salt means that you should be skeptical. It means that you should suspend judjment until further proof (or disproof) is obtained. Check other sources and if a trend emerges then form your conclusion.

Being suspicious means to distrust something without any or with very slight evidence.
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Thank you for the courteous reply. We were in the same ballpark, but guess what? I like your definition better.
 
Hmmm...

Q We've talked about this before a little bit, but there's more recent polling indicating that while President Obama's personal popularity is still quite strong, there are concerns among the American people and less support for some of his policies, specifically his economic policies, whether it's spending proposals, the bailout of the auto industry, the deficit, the stimulus package. And I'm wondering what you think is going on, whether you guys haven't made your argument as well as you could, or what exactly the dynamic is that Americans, although still a majority supporting the President on some of these economic policies, seem to -- there seems to be something of an ebb.

MR. GIBBS: Well, look, I think you can look at recent polling from the past day or so -- you can go back a week or so -- I think the American people are rightly frustrated with where the economy is and how we ended up where we did. I think the American people and the President both are greatly concerned about the deficit.

I think that -- you know, look, numbers and different questions bounce around, but when you look at something like the auto industry -- look, the President knew that wasn't a decision that was based off of something that was wildly popular, but the President believed it was something important to do to ensure the viability of an American auto industry, to ensure that towns and communities and companies had a chance to thrive again, and thought it was part of what we had to do to get our economy back on track.

Some of those things are popular, some of those things aren't popular. I think the President would tell you that he's going to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the American economy. Some of those things will be, as I said, more popular than others. But, look, I think the American people are rightly anxious and concerned about the economy, just as the President is.
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The White House - Press Office - Briefing by White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, 6-18-09

Seems like the WH follow polls, too.:cool2:

One poll? Take it with a grain of salt. If you have many polls when combined that show a trend, then it has a stronger case but by no means foolproof because they do change over time.
 
Cummulative effect does not make something that is invalid and unreliable any more valid and reliable. It just means you have more unrealiable and invalid information.:roll:
 
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Q We've talked about this before a little bit, but there's more recent polling indicating that while President Obama's personal popularity is still quite strong, there are concerns among the American people and less support for some of his policies, specifically his economic policies, whether it's spending proposals, the bailout of the auto industry, the deficit, the stimulus package. And I'm wondering what you think is going on, whether you guys haven't made your argument as well as you could, or what exactly the dynamic is that Americans, although still a majority supporting the President on some of these economic policies, seem to -- there seems to be something of an ebb.

MR. GIBBS: Well, look, I think you can look at recent polling from the past day or so -- you can go back a week or so -- I think the American people are rightly frustrated with where the economy is and how we ended up where we did. I think the American people and the President both are greatly concerned about the deficit.

I think that -- you know, look, numbers and different questions bounce around, but when you look at something like the auto industry -- look, the President knew that wasn't a decision that was based off of something that was wildly popular, but the President believed it was something important to do to ensure the viability of an American auto industry, to ensure that towns and communities and companies had a chance to thrive again, and thought it was part of what we had to do to get our economy back on track.

Some of those things are popular, some of those things aren't popular. I think the President would tell you that he's going to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the American economy. Some of those things will be, as I said, more popular than others. But, look, I think the American people are rightly anxious and concerned about the economy, just as the President is.
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jillio said:
Cummulative effect does not make something that is invalid and unreliable any more valid and reliable. It just means you have more unrealiable and invalid information.
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Argue that with Mr. Gibbs. He follows the polls.
 
kokonut said:
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Argue that with Mr. Gibbs. He follows the polls.
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Good for Mr. Gibbs. It still does not give a poll reliability, validity, or predictive value. You seem to follow the polls, as well. All that means is that you follow the polls. Might as well be reading horoscopes and making your predictions based on that.

And you might keep in mind that Mr. Gibbs continually uses the phrase "I think". That means it is not supported empirically, does not prove anything, and does not predict anything, but is nothing more than an opinion. Having an opinion does not provide proof.
 
Imploding......

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Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
 
you definitely have unhealthy obsession for obama's "demise."
 
netrox said:
you definitely have unhealthy obsession for obama's "demise."
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Rather it's the U.S. citizens who are beginning to realize what a folly and mistake he has become. The Gallup polls show that. Quinnipiac polls show that. Rasmussen polls show that.
 
This is an Ingmar Bergman movie.
Let's all kill ourselves.
 
i think kokonut is in love with obama. end of story.
 
By next year he'll be a lame duck president. Love to see that happen.
 
kokonut said:
By next year he'll be a lame duck president. Love to see that happen.
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How patriotic of someone to wish failure upon the president.

That's the American way!
 
Banjo said:
How patriotic of someone to wish failure upon the president.

That's the American way!
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Actually, making sure that America fails is the bigger problem. He's doing a good job at that already. People need to learn to take their blinders off now.
 
kokonut said:
Actually, making sure that America fails is the bigger problem. He's doing a good job at that already. People need to learn to take their blinders off now.
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if we can survive thru 8 years of GWB, surely we can handle this :)
 
kokonut said:
Actually, making sure that America fails is the bigger problem. He's doing a good job at that already. People need to learn to take their blinders off now.
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So it's important to you that the president and the country to collapse before our eyes just because you don't like him.
 
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