NRA offensive exposes deep U.S. divisions on guns

That was me trying to tell these pro-gun-control that they are special kind of stupidity.

Recent middle school in Atlanta, GA already proved that having staff carrying concealed handgun had seriously saved the day.

yay i know, sorry..at least, it gotten bit more peaceful, so now we can proceed with out being too silly, here's a good pic which i found in facebook, i thought its quite apt for this thread...
 
Our Jeep has pulled out stumps and shrubs.

Grummer, I wish we could lend you our chainsaws and reciprocal saws. I also use loppers (hand powered by me) for trimming the branches; much better than sawing.

I have pulled them out with an '84 Mustang GT350. Many many years ago. I also pulled down a house with that car.
 
I'm posting the whole story because the new system that my local paper uses sometimes cuts off access to stories. :mad:

The Post and Courier
Suspect in Ashley Hall incident had long mental health past, documents show
Andrew Knapp
Posted: Friday, February 8, 2013 12:01 a.m.
UPDATED: Friday, February 8, 2013 12:13 a.m.

She blurted threats, first to Montreal police officers, according to U.S. court documents. Then she blamed President George W. Bush for the inconvenience.

“I am going to kill President Bush with a gun,” she said, according to an arrest affidavit. “Just give me a gun. I am going to come back and shoot you all.”


The 2005 episode resulted in a federal indictment and a judge’s order for Boland to undergo psychiatric evaluation. Doctors deemed her mentally unfit to stand trial and forcefully injected her with anti-psychotic drugs.

She pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity to the felony charge of threatening the president. Four years later, the case was dropped.


But how Boland, 28, legally bought a handgun, as police said, and used it to try to shoot Ashley Hall school officials this week remained unknown Thursday. She squeezed the trigger, police said, but the gun didn’t fire.

Her history of mental illness would not have raised flags during a background check when she bought the gun days before Monday’s incident. That’s because, a federal official said, she was never convicted of a felony.


It’s also still unclear whether Boland had disclosed her past in a questionnaire required to purchase the pistol.

Boland’s case factors into a national discourse reignited in December, when gunman Adam Lanza fatally shot 26 people at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. Some critics have asked whether laws should make it more difficult for people with histories of mental illness to buy firearms.

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is still investigating how Boland bought the gun. Federal charges are possible.

“Those health issues are just not linked to the computer system,” said Earl Woodham, a regional spokesman for the ATF who added that federal privacy laws also guard the data. “There’s no way on a background check to link them.”

Charleston Mayor Joe Riley called Boland’s case a “glaring example of the weakness in our national and state gun-acquisition policy.”

He called for a universal national database that culls both criminal and mental health records.

“How close that mentally ill person came to killing innocent people at a school in this city is absolutely awful,” Riley said Thursday. “The fact that she could acquire a gun is terrible.”

Threats to kill

Boland’s run-in with authorities in Quebec came on May 14, 2005, four days after her 21st birthday.

She had been visiting Quebec City and was preparing to fly home.

“Give me a gun,” she first told police officers, according to the affidavit. “I am going to kill you.”


After her volleys against the president, officers arrested her, and she was taken to a Canadian hospital for psychiatric evaluation, the arrest affidavit stated. She was released that day on the promise that she would later appear in court.

Boland flew back to the United States five days later with her father.


Days later, deputies and John Kenney, resident agent in charge of the Secret Service in Charleston, visited Boland at her Beaufort home.

Kenney reported that Boland loudly repeated her threats during an interview.

“Hell yes I would shoot (Bush),” she said, according to the affidavit. “I would shoot him and the entire U.S. Congress. ... If I had a gun I would shoot you too.”


Kenney told her that making threats toward the president is a felony. She didn’t seem to mind.

“I’ll go to Washington and I’ll shoot him dead and if you get in my way, I’ll shoot you too,” she said, according to the papers. “I’ll go wherever he is and find him and kill him. I’ll kill Senator (Robert) Byrd and Senator (Hillary) Clinton and all those people and think nothing of it.”


Boland told Kenney that she would get two guns from the house, the document stated. The guns were said to be an air rifle and a pellet pistol.

Even as authorities handcuffed her, she yelled more threats, kicked her father and scratched a deputy, according to the affidavit. She later “repeated her desire to kill the president” as she was booked into jail, the document stated.

Reached by telephone Thursday, Kenney said he could not comment on case facts, but he said, “We took her seriously enough that we arrested her and took her case to federal court.”

Threats do not usually result in an indictment, he added, because such cases are often resolved through mental-health counseling or agreements to take medication.

Court orders

Nearly three weeks after her arrest, a federal grand jury indicted Boland on the charge that carries up to five years in prison.

The following months consisted of court orders and filings by her parents, Donald and Delann Boland.

A judge first sent Boland to Federal Medical Center Carswell in Texas, a prison facility that tends to female mental patients. There, Dr. William Pederson ruled that she was mentally incompetent and that she needed drugs if she were ever to stand trial.

Pederson was permitted, under a court order, to forcefully inject her with drugs. He talked of the anti-psychotic medications Trileptal and Risperdal.

But Boland’s parents balked. They fought for Boland’s return to the Lowcountry.

Risperdal, they argued in court papers, caused side effects: involuntary limb movements, talking to herself, excessive sleeping, possible diabetes. They were speaking from experience, they said. They had already tried Risperdal, which cost $2,400 a month.

Her parents revealed more of Boland’s medical past. They wrote that she had spent three weeks at Charleston’s Medical University Hospital in the early 2000s. She was given 25 medications, but nothing worked.

They said she had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and Asperger syndrome, or mild autism.

Her parents added that natural and nutritional methods, not medications, were the only treatments that helped. During past periods of being “cured,” they wrote, she was able to go back to “colleges.” One of those schools was the College of Charleston.

After Boland’s stint at the Texas facility, she was transferred to Palmetto Behavioral Health in North Charleston. Later, her parents took her home.

Gun probe

Boland is accused of showing up Monday at Ashley Hall, pointing a .22-caliber Taurus at a school official and pulling the trigger. The pistol was loaded, but it didn’t fire because no bullet was in the chamber.

She faces charges of attempted murder and other weapons violations.

Charleston police declined to answer further questions about how and when Boland got the gun.

Spokesman Charles Francis said the department was waiting for the ATF to verify information found in Boland’s vehicle.

The documents included a receipt and an ATF “transaction record” in which she had to answer whether she had ever been committed to a mental institution.

Woodham, the ATF spokesman, said federal agents were tracing the handgun’s history.

Despite the court documents detailing Boland’s history, authorities would not comment on whether her past would put her on a list of people prohibited from buying a pistol.

If she had lied on the transaction record, Boland could face charges of falsifying a government document, Woodham said, or being a prohibited person in possession of a firearm.

“But even though she has mental issues,” he said, “she may not be disqualified.”

Reach Andrew Knapp at 937-5414 or twitter.com/offlede.
 
I saw the video of her booking before the magistrate. She ranted on and on.

Trivia: Barbara Bush was a graduate of Ashley Hall.
 
Hey Crazypaul, you think police are not allowed to make mistakes? Funny that you said that few weeks ago. Now here is the news, prepare to catch your jaw when your jaw start to drop.

*************breaking news*********************


3 bystanders reportedly shot by police during hunt for murder suspect

Published February 07, 2013

FoxNews.com

Three bystanders suffered gunshot wounds Thursday morning after California police mistakenly opened fire on individuals driving a truck that matched the description of the vehicle being driven by a suspect police say is following through on a manifesto to kill police officers, MyFoxLA.com reported.

The undercover police involved in the shooting were guarding the Torrance, Calif., home of a police officer who was considered a high-risk target for Christopher Jordan Dorner, an ex-LAPD police officer who is the main suspect in three separate murders.

A vehicle that matched the description of Dorner’s truck was driving down the road, but was delivering newspapers, the report said. Two older women were delivering papers when police opened fire, the report said. One woman was shot in the back, the other in the hand. They both are expected to survive.

Another person was shot driving a pickup truck after additional Torrance police arrived at the scene, the report said. Reports of his injuries were unclear, but he is considered to be in good condition.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/0...by-police-searching-for-murder/#ixzz2KU5cxEgv
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Bet you had no idea until now, not everybody knows this news... The gun used was assault style and gladly no one got killed. You said one bullet is enough, how come cops failed kill the innocent bystander with so called deadly assault rifle with many rounds? Like I said, single bullet is hunter's dream! Thank god no one was killed at that time.

See in news? You COULD be one of them, cops generally don't know Deaf and don't assume and don't check and I know its scary, buddy. Time to take the reality pills. And leave 2nd Amendment ALONE!
 
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Intended to confuse public, though political manipulation.

When one said high powered, just mean that it got more power but nothing special, but when one said assault on the very same weapon the reaction is completely different because the term "Assault" sounded much like intention to assault somebody. Both really basically same thing just different word yet reaction has not been the same.

 
These are the people creating gun control laws:

Democratic Rep. Diana DeGette is being ridiculed by gun-rights advocates after the ardent supporter of a high-capacity magazine ban appeared to flub the facts on what a magazine actually is.

Her widely noticed comments were made at a Denver Post forum earlier this week on the gun debate.

Questioned on what's to be done with the millions of high-capacity magazines already in circulation, DeGette asserted that they'd be discarded once they're used.

"I will tell you these are ammunition -- bullets -- so the people who have those now they are going to shoot them, and so if you ban -- if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won't be any more available," she said.

Magazines, however, are reusable as they can be filled with more bullets.

A spokeswoman issued a statement to the Denver Post, which had flagged the comment as inaccurate, explaining that the congresswoman who has worked on a high-capacity magazine ban for years "simply misspoke" -- "she should have referred to 'clips,' which cannot be reused because they don't have a feeding mechanism."

Yet, clips can also be reused -- and the questioner in this case asked specifically about high-capacity magazines, not clips.

The comment fueled long-running complaints by gun-rights groups that those lawmakers trying to regulate firearms do not fully understand the issue.

"Rep. Diana DeGette appears not to understand how guns work," the National Rifle Association tweeted....

Read more: Democratic rep ridiculed for fumbling facts on gun magazines | Fox News
 
Hey Crazypaul, you think police are not allowed to make mistakes? Funny that you said that few weeks ago. Now here is the news, prepare to catch your jaw when your jaw start to drop.

*************breaking news*********************


3 bystanders reportedly shot by police during hunt for murder suspect

Published February 07, 2013

FoxNews.com

Three bystanders suffered gunshot wounds Thursday morning after California police mistakenly opened fire on individuals driving a truck that matched the description of the vehicle being driven by a suspect police say is following through on a manifesto to kill police officers, MyFoxLA.com reported.

The undercover police involved in the shooting were guarding the Torrance, Calif., home of a police officer who was considered a high-risk target for Christopher Jordan Dorner, an ex-LAPD police officer who is the main suspect in three separate murders.

A vehicle that matched the description of Dorner’s truck was driving down the road, but was delivering newspapers, the report said. Two older women were delivering papers when police opened fire, the report said. One woman was shot in the back, the other in the hand. They both are expected to survive.

Another person was shot driving a pickup truck after additional Torrance police arrived at the scene, the report said. Reports of his injuries were unclear, but he is considered to be in good condition.

Read more: 3 bystanders reportedly shot by police during hunt for murder suspect | Fox News
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Bet you had no idea until now, not everybody knows this news... The gun used was assault style and gladly no one got killed. You said one bullet is enough, how come cops failed kill the innocent bystander with so called deadly assault rifle with many rounds? Like I said, single bullet is hunter's dream! Thank god no one was killed at that time.

See in news? You COULD be one of them, cops generally don't know Deaf and don't assume and don't check and I know its scary, buddy. Time to take the reality pills. And leave 2nd Amendment ALONE!
So what happened to the cops who made the mistakes? I don't think you know the answer.
 
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