NRA offensive exposes deep U.S. divisions on guns

VacationGuy234 said:
An executive order is completely within the law. It is there to help enforce the law. If he signs an order to put gun checks in federal hands, there is nothing illegal about it.

Remember, we already have laws on the books for gun control.
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The executive order is a legal process. That doesn't mean that every order is legal. The President can't just willy nilly make up orders that don't fit within the Constitution parameters.
 
Reba said:
The executive order is a legal process. That doesn't mean that every order is legal. The President can't just willy nilly make up orders that don't fit within the Constitution parameters.
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I think what you mean to say is he can't make orders for laws that don't exist.

"However, the Supreme Court ruled in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 US 579 (1952) that Executive Order 10340 from President Harry S. Truman placing all steel mills in the country under federal control was invalid because it attempted to make law, rather than clarify or act to further a law put forth by the Congress or the Constitution."

And, today we have gun control laws.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
I think what you mean to say is he can't make orders for laws that don't exist.
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No, that's not what I said.

I said that even the President can't lawfully make executive orders that are beyond the scope of the Constitution or that nullify a constitutional right. (That doesn't mean he won't try but it would still be unconstitutional.)

Suppose the President made an executive order that, "No one over the age of 35 years can vote again." Would that be constitutional?

Suppose the President made an executive order that, "All Christians have to wear yellow cross tattoos on the backs of their hands." Would that be constitutional?

Understand? The President's executive orders must stay within the authority of the Constitution.
 
If there was a law stating that it is required that any tattoo must be yellow, he can create an executive order as to how that will be enforced.

I could be wrong, but I think that is the way it works. He doesn't make new laws... he enforces existing laws in a way he sees fit.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
If there was a law stating that it is required that any tattoo must be yellow, he can create an executive order as to how that will be enforced.

I could be wrong, but I think that is the way it works. He doesn't make new laws... he enforces existing laws in a way he sees fit.
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Yes, you could be wrong.
 
Exactly! :)

The US constitution was so written with intention to prevent government going above the law or turn into tyranny. The constitution protects US citizen from government abuse of power. That is how George Washington and his buddies viewed when drafting US Constitution.


Reba said:
No, that's not what I said.

I said that even the President can't lawfully make executive orders that are beyond the scope of the Constitution or that nullify a constitutional right. (That doesn't mean he won't try but it would still be unconstitutional.)

Suppose the President made an executive order that, "No one over the age of 35 years can vote again." Would that be constitutional?

Suppose the President made an executive order that, "All Christians have to wear yellow cross tattoos on the backs of their hands." Would that be constitutional?

Understand? The President's executive orders must stay within the authority of the Constitution.
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Obama does not have the executive power to declare war, only congress can, its written in US. Constitution, and if Obama decided to declare war then he is going to be screwed up.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
Can you now explain to me how I am wrong?
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Your example was way off point. It didn't even reflect the example that I gave.

You posted, "If there was a law stating that it is required that any tattoo must be yellow, he can create an executive order as to how that will be enforced."

You totally left out the part about "all Christians" which was the point. Such an executive order would be unconstitutional because it's against the freedom of religion. (In case you didn't notice, it also related to what happened to the Jews in Hitler's Germany.)
 
Reba said:
Your example was way off point. It didn't even reflect the example that I gave.

You posted, "If there was a law stating that it is required that any tattoo must be yellow, he can create an executive order as to how that will be enforced."

You totally left out the part about "all Christians" which was the point. Such an executive order would be unconstitutional because it's against the freedom of religion. (In case you didn't notice, it also related to what happened to the Jews in Hitler's Germany.)
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While I may agree and feel it is unconstitutional, until a law is ruled unconstitutional he can still enforce it. As my example stated, Truman tried to enforce something that was not a law.

Again, if there is a law, it is within his power to enforce it.
 
diehardbiker said:
Obama does not have the executive power to declare war, only congress can, its written in US. Constitution, and if Obama decided to declare war then he is going to be screwed up.
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The President can conduct military activity for 90 days per the War Powers Resolution. He cannot declare, but he doesn't have to.

To be more specific 60 days with 30 days for withdrawal(however you define withdrawal).
 
VacationGuy234 said:
While I may agree and feel it is unconstitutional, until a law is ruled unconstitutional he can still enforce it. As my example stated, Truman tried to enforce something that was not a law.

Again, if there is a law, it is within his power to enforce it.
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The examples I gave had no laws to enforce.

Again, as I posted, the President can't legally make up executive orders that are outside his constitutional authority.
 
Reba said:
The examples I gave had no laws to enforce.

Again, as I posted, the President can't legally make up executive orders that are outside his constitutional authority.
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Well, he hasn't stated an executive order so it was all inclusive.. He can enforce any law.
 
diehardbiker said:
Obama does not have the executive power to declare war, only congress can, its written in US. Constitution, and if Obama decided to declare war then he is going to be screwed up.
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Incorrect, Did you forgot about situation with Libya in 2011?

VacationGuy234 said:
The President can conduct military activity for 90 days per the War Powers Resolution. He cannot declare, but he doesn't have to.

To be more specific 60 days with 30 days for withdrawal(however you define withdrawal).
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Yes, that's correct.
 
Foxrac said:
New York State Gun Laws The First In Country Since Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting In Newtown

Not surprised about New York.
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"A lot of people say, `Why do you need these guns?'" said Assemblyman James Tedisco, a Schenectady Republican. "It's part of the freedoms and liberties we have. ... It's for our public safety. It's to protect us from our own government."
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I can't stop laughing. Would our own government attack us like Libya/Syria governments did to their people? Not in a million years.
 
diehardbiker said:
No, I didn't forget it, and congress has scolded president for moving forward without their authorization, but decided to save his face, if it were not generous congress he will be impeached for sure. I know this history.

It did backfire Obama

» Obama Declares Unconstitutional War on Libya Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
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Not really, just republican attack, Obama used War Powers Resolution to conduct the military activity in Libya, it is allowed under War Powers Resolution.

You need to read about War Powers Resolution.
War Powers Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The impeachment is extremely difficult and nearly impossible.
 
CrazyPaul said:
I can't stop laughing. Would our own government attack us like Libya/Syria governments did to their people? Not in a million years.
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Then you obviously believe the founding fathers of this nation where a bunch of total idiots.
 
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