Not a candidate for CI?

[shel90]

One of the criteria for being a candidate is that the individual has been using an HA and receives little to know benefit. So the answer to your question is "yes".

Then why implant babies?

 

[drphil]

Why implant babies? To help develop "auditory memory"/ assist in learning to speak. Whether one can benefit from a hearing aid vs cochlear Implant is contingent on one's "hearing" or if either can/will assist.
This topic has been vigorously discussed in Alldeaf.com since I have been here. Note: I have not been involved in "baby implantation".

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[shel90]

Why implant babies? To help develop "auditory memory"/ assist in learning to speak. Whether one can benefit from a hearing aid vs cochlear Implant is contingent on one's "hearing" or if either can/will assist.
This topic has been vigorously discussed in Alldeaf.com since I have been here. Note: I have not been involved in "baby implantation".

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

If it is required to try hearing aids first before one becomes a candidate, then why implant babies who havent had time to try hearing aids?

 

[Frisky Feline]

If it is required to try hearing aids first before one becomes a candidate, then why implant babies who havent had time to try hearing aids?

exaclty. What if HAs could be benefit to babies or it turns out babies have fluid in ears. Like My son did not pass the hearing test for four days. the hospital wont let me to take him home until he took test three times and he passed. :roll:

 

[jillio]

Then why implant babies?

Criteria for infant implantation is different, but they will have an infant wear an HA while waiting for surgery and then take the parent's and the audi's word for how much benefit they receive. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

 

[jillio]

Why implant babies? To help develop "auditory memory"/ assist in learning to speak. Whether one can benefit from a hearing aid vs cochlear Implant is contingent on one's "hearing" or if either can/will assist.
This topic has been vigorously discussed in Alldeaf.com since I have been here. Note: I have not been involved in "baby implantation".

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Auditory memory develops whether an implant is done or not. CI is not for speech. CI is for auditory function.

Audiograms do not realistically tell what benefit will be received from an HA. There are those with 105dB and below loss that benefit from an HA, and there are those with a much less degree of loss that don't. There are too many functional variables involved to determine level of functioning without that individual telling you how they benefit.

 

[AlleyCat]

Why implant babies? To help develop "auditory memory"/ assist in learning to speak. Whether one can benefit from a hearing aid vs cochlear Implant is contingent on one's "hearing" or if either can/will assist.
This topic has been vigorously discussed in Alldeaf.com since I have been here. Note: I have not been involved in "baby implantation".

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

I am told repeatedly that I have perfect speech. Not even a hint of a deaf accent. Of course, I have to take everyone's word for it since I can't discern the difference (if any) in my voice from that of a hearing person. Anyway, I learned all that with a HA. I have a 110db loss and still wear a HA. Thank goodness for high-powered ones !!

 

[BecLak]

I am told repeatedly that I have perfect speech. Not even a hint of a deaf accent. Of course, I have to take everyone's word for it since I can't discern the difference (if any) in my voice from that of a hearing person. Anyway, I learned all that with a HA. I have a 110db loss and still wear a HA. Thank goodness for high-powered ones !!

I agree, speech can still be mastered with/without HAs but if it is a choice between HAs and CIs, why would you choose surgery, when HAs can do just as well?

 

[AlleyCat]

I agree, speech can still be mastered with/without HAs but if it is a choice between HAs and CIs, why would you choose surgery, when HAs can do just as well?

Yep! That was why I didn't get a CI. I looked into it, thinking it'd give me so much more. But my assessment test results showed it would only be a small marginal difference over a HA. So I stuck with the HAs!

 

[drphil]

It is my understanding-one uses Hearing Aids FIRST NOT Cochlear Implants re dealing with hearing loss. There is the minor matter of surgery to consider re Implants. The other matter: cost.
I assume if one CAN"T hear themselves-probably difficult to" pick up speech" and talk.
I have no comment re when I was a baby re speech/talking. Fortunately not deaf then.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[jillio]

It is my understanding-one uses Hearing Aids FIRST NOT Cochlear Implants re dealing with hearing loss. There is the minor matter of surgery to consider re Implants. The other matter: cost.
I assume if one CAN"T hear themselves-probably difficult to" pick up speech" and talk.
I have no comment re when I was a baby re speech/talking. Fortunately not deaf then.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Oh, yes. You are sooooo blessed when compared to those who have been born deaf....and mangaged to pick up speech and speak very well despite never having a CI.:roll:

 

[lovezebras]

Oh, yes. You are sooooo blessed when compared to those who have been born deaf....and mangaged to pick up speech and speak very well despite never having a CI.:roll:

Lol is all I have to say about dr phils comment

 

[shel90]

It is my understanding-one uses Hearing Aids FIRST NOT Cochlear Implants re dealing with hearing loss. There is the minor matter of surgery to consider re Implants. The other matter: cost.
I assume if one CAN"T hear themselves-probably difficult to" pick up speech" and talk.
I have no comment re when I was a baby re speech/talking. Fortunately not deaf then.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

Born with a profound severe bilateral loss with a 110 db and I have great speech skills. No CI here. How do you explain that?

 

[BecLak]

I also have 'near perfect speech' , so I have been told by many, who also say they never realised I was severely-deaf. I didn't/don't wear HAs or CIs.

 

[GrendelQ]

Born with a profound severe bilateral loss with a 110 db and I have great speech skills. No CI here. How do you explain that?

I was born profoundly deaf and identified myself as hearing impaired growing up because I was taught that way. People treated me as someone who was incapable of not doing much despite my hours and hours spent working on speech skills so I could fit in the hearing world.

I think you've explained that developing your speech skills required some pretty grueling effort and a lot of time on your part.

CIs and HAs aren't interchangeable tools or 'competitors.' the primary objective of a CI is to provide access to sound for those who can't access sound via HAs. These tools aren't necessary for speaking, but for a deaf person, they are necessary for listening, which is critical for full access to spoken language, given the limitations of speechreading. For many users, especially those implanted very young, this access to sound can make the acquisition of spoken language -- both receptive/comprehension and expressive components -- natural and easy, requiring little or no hours dedicated to 'speech.'

 

[BecLak]

I think you've explained that developing your speech skills required some pretty grueling effort and a lot of time on your part.

CIs and HAs aren't interchangeable tools or 'competitors.' the primary objective of a CI is to provide access to sound for those who can't access sound via HAs. These tools aren't necessary for speaking, but for a deaf person, they are necessary for listening, which is critical for full access to spoken language, given the limitations of speechreading. For many users, especially those implanted very young, this access to sound can make the acquisition of spoken language -- both receptive/comprehension and expressive components -- natural and easy, requiring little or no hours dedicated to 'speech.'

Grendel, you cannot deny though, from what has been expressed by several new CI users on this forum, that speech and other therapy is still required for the CI user to recognise sounds. It still takes much effort in therapy and in addition several mappings and such even with a CI or two. I don't see any difference between having a CI to having HAs to not having them in regards to acquiring speech apart from the fact that CIs are costly and require surgery. IMO, going hearing apparatus-free is not only economical, environmentally-friendly, but also minimizes running around to numerous specialist appointments. Having to use your voice as a DHH person is stressful enough without having all the other stuff too.

 

[shel90]

I think you've explained that developing your speech skills required some pretty grueling effort and a lot of time on your part.

CIs and HAs aren't interchangeable tools or 'competitors.' the primary objective of a CI is to provide access to sound for those who can't access sound via HAs. These tools aren't necessary for speaking, but for a deaf person, they are necessary for listening, which is critical for full access to spoken language, given the limitations of speechreading. For many users, especially those implanted very young, this access to sound can make the acquisition of spoken language -- both receptive/comprehension and expressive components -- natural and easy, requiring little or no hours dedicated to 'speech.'

My point of this post was that despite developing speech skills, I was still treated like someone defective and I got fed up with it. Why work my butt off to fit in the hearing world when most hearing people will treat me like a 2nd class citizen? That's why myself and many others feel that the purpose of us developing speech skills is to make it easier on hearing people so they wont have to learn sign language.

 

[GrendelQ]

Grendel, you cannot deny though, from what has been expressed by several new CI users on this forum, that speech and other therapy is still required for the CI user to recognise sounds. It still takes much effort in therapy and in addition several mappings and such even with a CI or two. I don't see any difference between having a CI to having HAs to not having them in regards to acquiring speech apart from the fact that CIs are costly and require surgery. IMO, going hearing apparatus-free is not only economical, environmentally-friendly, but also minimizes running around to numerous specialist appointments. Having to use your voice as a DHH person is stressful enough without having all the other stuff too.

No, practicing listening therapy is not required for all. But it can help many move quickly to catch up years without adequate auditory input or to make sense of a new way of accessing sound -- most want to take full advantage of their new tools, and auditory therapy can help. Reading the instructions on your new computer isn't necessary, you can usually figure it out, but the manual or help button may help you discover new possibilities.

You aren't profoundly deaf, but for someone who is, like my daughter, the difference between HAs and CIs can be very clear: with HAs, she hears no speech sounds, very little environmental sound (dog barking in her ear, music blasting, airplane engines close up, etc.). With CIs she understands whispers from the next room, carries on spoken conversations by cell phone, discriminates speech at 96%, and is acquiring spoken language naturally without speech therapy. She's developing spoken English for the same reasons she's developing ASL and now Mandarin: so she can communicate with ease with many people, not to make life convenient for native ASL users, native English speakers, or hearing Chinese people.

 

[drphil]

GrendelQ ongoing experiences with LiLi well worth considering as one who has actually effected the many choices articulated.

Implanted A B Harmony activated Aug/07

 

[jillio]

No, practicing listening therapy is not required for all. But it can help many move quickly to catch up years without adequate auditory input or to make sense of a new way of accessing sound -- most want to take full advantage of their new tools, and auditory therapy can help. Reading the instructions on your new computer isn't necessary, you can usually figure it out, but the manual or help button may help you discover new possibilities.

You aren't profoundly deaf, but for someone who is, like my daughter, the difference between HAs and CIs can be very clear: with HAs, she hears no speech sounds, very little environmental sound (dog barking in her ear, music blasting, airplane engines close up, etc.). With CIs she understands whispers from the next room, carries on spoken conversations by cell phone, discriminates speech at 96%, and is acquiring spoken language naturally without speech therapy. She's developing spoken English for the same reasons she's developing ASL and now Mandarin: so she can communicate with ease with many people, not to make life convenient for native ASL users, native English speakers, or hearing Chinese people.

Speech therapy has nothing to do with language acquisition.

Really?Whispers from the next room? Under what conditions?