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Evo Dragon said:
Aluminum foil? you mean like that? :hmm:
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Something like that.... but it's more portable.
 
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SneakerNet said:
"Just avoid holding it in that way," Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrote in an e-mail that was making the rounds on the Web on Friday morning. (CNN)

Mmmm... how to hold it...with just tip of the fingers? or just thumb and index fingers? I don't see it in the manual for proper holding the iPhone...

Oh! Better idea... VICE GRIP!!!
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And he'd probably say, "Just avoid dropping it that way... not that big of a deal. "

lol - I love how Steve Jobs is so terse with his answers to email.
 
Oddball said:
I have no problem with my iphone so far. I don't know if you speak on the phone? If so, there are some signal issues. Hopefully, Apple will fix the issues as soon as possible.

I am still looking for iphone cases...I prefer Ed Hardy tiger tattoo cover, but they designed for iphone 3/3GS. I am sure that they will make new cases for iphone 4 eventually. I can look for other cases anyway.
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Nothing do with software. It's poor design hardware from human's skin. Some human's skin touch two antennas at same time then one antenna may current thru human's skin then it thru to other antenna. The two antennas SHOULD NOT same current. That's how signal got drop.

Solve the problem. Just use rubber or any cover on iPhone 4's side to avoid from human skin touch.

I am going to make a video right now.
 
The Highlander said:
Nothing do with software. It's poor design hardware from human's skin. Some human's skin touch two antennas at same time then one antenna may current thru human's skin then it thru to other antenna. The two antennas SHOULD NOT same current. That's how signal got drop.

Solve the problem. Just use rubber or any cover on iPhone 4's side to avoid from human skin touch.

I am going to make a video right now.
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It would look like that?
Apple iPhone 4 Bumper - Black - Apple Store (U.S.)
 
I was looking at my friend's iphone 4 today. She got it and all excited to unbox it cuz upgrade from 3GS.
Turned it on and iOS crashed on boot.
I had lol face but turned around so she did not see it. :mrgreen:

SneakerNet said:
update pix. Someone took pix for me.
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Copyright patent violation!!
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Apple tech support said the discoloration is a result of "glue" that wasn't evaporated sooner. Makes sense. But will they go away? I dunno.

iPhone 4 has 512MB RAM so I doubt it'll be a problem.
 
netrox said:
Apple tech support said the discoloration is a result of "glue" that wasn't evaporated sooner. Makes sense. But will they go away? I dunno.

iPhone 4 has 512MB RAM so I doubt it'll be a problem.
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Yup, Android has memory issue if you have too many apps and it cause phone to run so slow.
 
Wow, iPhone 4 came out! It has Multitasking! It has folders! it now can let user put up a wallpaper! WOW! I'm so NOT blown away... This is ho-hum compared to the Android based phones that already do that ever since the days of the G1 when it first debut and G1 was already doing all of these that Apple had failed to catch up. They HAD to put that in iPhone 4 for full capabilities of the features? That's so lame. My friend has a iPhone 3G and of course, some features are missing from the iOS 4.0 due to 3g being old, but it made her phone run REALLY SLOW! She wasn't so thrilled with the upgrade, she wished she went back to the previous version.

My boss and my co-worker got their iPhone 4's yesterday and I saw theirs and played around and I have failed to see a huge difference between the iPhone 3gs and 4 other than FaceTalk, screen resolution and some stuff. It is barely a big change, let alone a revolutionary change, for Apple at all. If I was an Apple fanboy (thank god I am not!), I would have expected more out of Apple other than a FFC camera, folders and multitasking... I'm just thankful there is this wonderful, beautiful operating system that Google had released called the Android OS and thank god for that, there is a healthy competition between Apple/Microsoft/Google(Android)/RIM/Symbian and on. Well I'm not sure if there is actually a competition at all in Microsoft as windows mobile 6.5 is on its way out of the cycle to bring in Windows mobile 7 but I've seen the newest Windows 7 mobile phone and still, ho-hum.

What is the biggest hype with the iPhone 4 that got a lot of people so nuts and raving about? Of course Android was slow and sluggish with the first generation phones just because they are limited with the RAM/ROM that came with the phone, but now with 2nd and 3rd and on phones, it's going to get better, stronger, faster and harder!

Android does NOT have memory leak issues... It is just slow because of the 533 MHz ARM processor, 1st generation phones woes and limited RAM. Fast forward to present day, Android based smartphones now have 512 MB RAM/512 MB ROM/1 GHz Snapdragon/Hummingbird processor and all. Intel already developed a 1.5 GHz processor and it said it was looking to implement the architecture in a phone with an OS to support it and guess who Intel went to? Yup you guessed it, ANDROID! Nvidia is also releasing their Tegra 2 graphics processor for cellphones and it had selected an OS in mind and who is it??? WOW ANDROID, ONCE AGAIN! Technology will change for the better and who will fall behind every year? Yup iPhone... Why? releases a new phone only yearly while the Android based phones improve by technology and better software development/implementation and release on that spot.

In addition to "memory leak issues", Android is, actually, much better than Apple at memory management. When it notices a program is running but no activity has been done in a while to that program and another program is launched and need the extra memory space, it terminates the previous occupied program and runs the program. Now you see why newer smartphones are coming out with 512 MB RAM and higher to allow users to HAVE MORE PROGRAMS running without having to terminate any previous programs in memory. It also excels at terminating any offending programs that is hogging the memory bandwidth. Apple limits the apps to a certain group of apps that can be allowed to be multitasked. Limitations? That's hogwash! There's no limitation in Android...

Android is already on the fast track to become the #1 mobile OS of all time because they already got a 20-25% market share of the OSes in just a year from 1.8% last year. It took Apple about 3 years to become #1, at around 57%. Just imagine the possibilities with Android; a free-for-all OS or a software developer's wet dream because they are allowed to create whatever as they pleased without the limitations set forth by Apple/Steve Jobs.

All I'm saying is I feel sorry for those who are blind to Android and heartily believes Apple is the ONLY phone out there that will blow every other phones out of the water... Remember this, iPhone 4 just came out, it will be another year when iPhone 5 will come out or whatever it will be named, while Android-based phones are slated to release about 100 more phones in the next 2 years, giving the consumers a limitless option to choose the phone of their dreams.

Praise Apple as much as you want, but it's not going to last if Steve Jobs continue to run the show and continues to put hindrances on the iPhone/apps just because he want to... Google saw that and they knew the users/developers would not be pleased with that and wanted to stay away from that evil empire that is Apple, and created a new image of how the smartphone should have functioned in the first place, way before iPhone was debuted.

Don't bash Android or any other OSes (i.e. Windows, PalmOS, Blackberry and on) if you have not tried it out or played around with it to get a full, comprehensive idea of what it is capable of. If you have and you want to express your displeasure then let it be. I have played around with iPhones many times and still felt uncomfortable with it and when I got my G1, I felt at home and I was like WOW! I never felt that way with Apple's iPhone because I felt the iPhone was missing a LOT of things and Android just filled a lot of voids that I've been wanting to see fulfilled.

Oh one more thing about Android, it's not limited to smartphones, it can be loaded on netbooks, tablets, slates, appliances (yes, appliances) and many more. Google got a lot of companies to back up Google and paid royalty fees in advance to put Android on their products, let it be a smartphone or not. iOS 4.0 on any other devices other than the MaxiPad oops I mean iPad or iPhone? NONE! Observe the power of Android! :D
 
PyrollisAhFiros said:
Android does NOT have memory leak issues... It is just slow because of the 533 MHz ARM processor, 1st generation phones woes and limited RAM. Fast forward to present day, Android based smartphones now have 512 MB RAM/512 MB ROM/1 GHz Snapdragon/Hummingbird processor and all. Intel already developed a 1.5 GHz processor and it said it was looking to implement the architecture in a phone with an OS to support it and guess who Intel went to? Yup you guessed it, ANDROID! Nvidia is also releasing their Tegra 2 graphics processor for cellphones and it had selected an OS in mind and who is it??? WOW ANDROID, ONCE AGAIN! Technology will change for the better and who will fall behind every year? Yup iPhone... Why? releases a new phone only yearly while the Android based phones improve by technology and better software development/implementation and release on that spot.

In addition to "memory leak issues", Android is, actually, much better than Apple at memory management. When it notices a program is running but no activity has been done in a while to that program and another program is launched and need the extra memory space, it terminates the previous occupied program and runs the program. Now you see why newer smartphones are coming out with 512 MB RAM and higher to allow users to HAVE MORE PROGRAMS running without having to terminate any previous programs in memory. It also excels at terminating any offending programs that is hogging the memory bandwidth. Apple limits the apps to a certain group of apps that can be allowed to be multitasked. Limitations? That's hogwash! There's no limitation in Android...
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I own Moto Droid with Android and Verizon customer.

You don't get my word, it is only applies if you have too many apps installed (not including running apps) like 30+ so Android OS will be sluggish and slowdown until you remove many apps to clear up the memory. The memory leak issue is per app issue, not OS itself, even first party app like Google Map may cause memory leak, for example. It can be fixed by update the apps, however some apps in market cause memory leak. Taskbar killer apps won't helpful as I thought.

I used to iPhone and Palm Pre user so I disagree with you about memory management, iPhone and Palm Pre have better memory management than Android because I installed over 50 apps and there is zero issue with both of them so no slow or degrade of performance, unlike Android does. I don't believe your word since it is your opinion.

I believe that mandatory approval for apps is right way for Apple because it ensure developers to have apps to run in right way, especially iOS 4 compatible and check on memory leak issue that caused by apps. MS will follow Apple when Windows Phone 7 releases. iPhone/iPod Touch has alot of 3-D games offered that attracted my decision and I don't care about any issues on iPhone.

Android OS is more direct competitor to Windows Mobile 6.5 because both of them are free to develop any apps whatever you want and support on many different mobile phones. Of course, Windows Mobile has memory issue if you have too many apps as well, so is Blackberry. I used to BB user for 2 years so not happy with it and their performance is worse than Android.
 
Foxrac said:
I own Moto Droid with Android and Verizon customer.

You don't get my word, it is only applies if you have too many apps installed (not including running apps) like 30+ so Android OS will be sluggish and slowdown until you remove many apps to clear up the memory. The memory leak issue is per app issue, not OS itself, even first party app like Google Map may cause memory leak, for example. It can be fixed by update the apps, however some apps in market cause memory leak. Taskbar killer apps won't helpful as I thought.

I used to iPhone and Palm Pre user so I disagree with you about memory management, iPhone and Palm Pre have better memory management than Android because I installed over 50 apps and there is zero issue with both of them so no slow or degrade of performance, unlike Android does. I don't believe your word since it is your opinion.

I believe that mandatory approval for apps is right way for Apple because it ensure developers to have apps to run in right way, especially iOS 4 compatible and check on memory leak issue that caused by apps. MS will follow Apple when Windows Phone 7 releases. iPhone/iPod Touch has alot of 3-D games offered that attracted my decision and I don't care about any issues on iPhone.

Android OS is more direct competitor to Windows Mobile 6.5 because both of them are free to develop any apps whatever you want and support on many different mobile phones. Of course, Windows Mobile has memory issue if you have too many apps as well, so is Blackberry. I used to BB user for 2 years so not happy with it and their performance is worse than Android.
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Well I have yet to try that out because I'm still on 1.6 firmware (Donut) release on my G1, but I have read a lot of articles and they all have said that Android is awesome on memory management. It's not my opinion, it is a tried-and-true method that has been tested by reputable companies and they said Android executes it much better than Apple.

With the Froyo release, (2.2) you now can save your apps and games over to your miniSD card and allow it to run directly from the miniSD card rather than having to have it installed on your phone, which is a huge factor in why Android is always changing for the better. But still, even with that feature enabled or not, Android still does the memory management one better over Apple.

Android Developers Blog: Multitasking the Android Way

Also for TasKiller, you shouldn't be using that as it will harm your system further because the core OS is already doing the management and when you kill an application, you kill it entirely, thus you damage the OS or you damage the program itself and may require a phone reboot or a re-install of the program itself.

FAQ: Why You Shouldn’t Be Using a Task Killer with Android Geek For Me – Sprint Evo 4g & CDMA Hero

I have read stories about how some people were able to install 50 apps, even 120 apps at once on their phone (forgot which phone it was but there were several different phones) and it was android based and they said it ran smoothly as if it was unpacked on the first day with pre-installed apps. They did asked some iPhone users on how many apps they had installed, and I've read the comments from iPhone users and they said they had about 30 to 40 installed and they tried to install more but it slowed their phone down big time. It has to be app to app on each phone because it depends on which apps you have installed because each app have its own services and all that will always varies on phone by phone.

As for iPhone doing it better than Android as you said, I'm not sure if you are talking about iPhone 4 or an older iPhone with iOS 4.0 but if you are talking about BEFORE the iOS 4.0 or BEFORE iPhone 4, well yeah they do it better because they're single-tasked, thus you can only run a program at one time, then when you want to run something else, YOU HAVE TO EXIT that program and run that other program, which is why Apple "excels" at executing programs, because of less services running in the background. As for Apple's iPhone 4 right now, it appears to be doing better now only because Apple set a limitation on certain apps that can conform to the multitasking rule and whatever else. If a developer want to make an app and wish to have it run in the background or whatever, they will have to lobby for support from Apple to allow it to be included. If Apple denies it, it will not be included, thus going back to being single-tasked.

I have no experience with using a Palm Pre and don't know much about it because it didn't attract my interest because Palm Pre is tacky and small for me to use. SO I wouldn't know what or how Palm Pre would do with their apps.

Installed apps is DIFFERENT from apps being running in the background. Installed apps takes up a lot of RAM but the point is, if you have a better phone, more precisely, a current smartphone like the HTC evo 4g, Droid X, Samsung Galaxy S and on, you will see a dramatic difference between the 1st generation phones, namely the G1, Hero, MyTouch 3g and on and current phones like the Droid, Droid Incredible, Droid X, Samsung Galaxy S, HTC Evo 4G, Dell Streak and on. So when an installed program resides in RAM, it takes up some space, but when a program is being run, it also executes services which takes up more RAM space so when you are on very low RAM amount, it get bottlenecked. With 512 MB RAM, you will have abundance space to install 100 apps plus services and all.

Also, keep in mind, there are developers out there that could be amateur developers that do not know how to use the pause trigger/stop trigger and all that so they could be developing the app in a bad way, hence the "memory leak" that you may be talking about. If coming from a reputable company such as AIM from AOL, ESPN SportCenter (or whatever it is called), The Weather Channel from Weather.com, Twitter from Twitter, and on, will work like wonder because they have a team of developers to create the program while amateur developers probably read from a book on how to develop a program for Android and forgot to follow the guidelines to execute a program from start to finish. It is a common mistake and I've seen that happen on a iPhone even. It's normal and it's given so you can't really avoid it. Well, actually you can help by contributing your feedback to the developer by making a report and they will read all of the info generated by your phone and fine-tune the app to work fine on your Droid. Linux has a growing community of developers/troubleshooters/enthusiasts and many more that help each other with bugs, kernel panics and whatnot. Apple and Microsoft have their own team of developers and engineers to do that while Linux does not. Google do have their own team of developers but not devoted to an individual app created by a developer. They focus on their OWN apps while the aspiring developers focus on theirs, which is why you constantly see updates to the apps, which is wonderful because I'm always looking forward to the next updates because it will have bug fixes, GUI changes and interface changes to make the apps appealing as well as Android more appealing by the byte.

Are you sure Windows is "free-for-all"? Last I remember, Microsoft is a closed-source company that will not allow anyone to read their source code and I HIGHLY doubt anyone can do anything they wish to Windows Mobile, let alone Windows. I think, what you meant by that, Microsoft is allowing people to develop programs the way they want and put it on Windows Mobile so if that is what you meant, then I still stand by how the program is properly developed and executed because it still goes back to the source; the developer(s) and how they designed the program with services and calls.

Google Maps is developed by Google and I have yet to see a memory leak on my G1 other than when using GPS, it drains my battery faster than normal but that's ok because it's a first generation phone and I still get updates from Google on Google Maps. You are forgetting that when an application stays in memory too long, the kernel detects the program being inactive for so long, it terminates the program so the OS runs much better/frees up memory for the upcoming app to be loaded. If it did detect a "memory leak" it would have terminated that program right away which is what you would have gotten a force close without a "wait" option. By seeing that, you would then alert the developer that by going to x, you got this y message and force closed on you. That's why there's comments on the developer's page for the application to express their opinion and/or feedback so the developer would listen and improvise on their applications. If you are not helping by giving your feedback to the developer that they may have missed because they had a device in mind they are developing, and has not thought about the Droid at all, it is your fault for not helping the developer because the developer may be limited on what phones they have to test on because of the hardware difference between many phones. You need to help them to improve the programs you are using if you wish to continue to use it.

I have seen some graphic stress tests and it looks almost as identical as a Playstation 3 game and it is very impressive. Apple is good at image compression and execution of games only because their image compression is better but still that is not stopping Android from improving their gaming capabilities and I'm sure Android will get better. Don't forget Android is still in its infancy stage, but maturing, while Apple's iOS 4 may be in it's mature stage because it's just a HUGE copy and paste from 3GS (3.1.2 or whatever) over to 4.0 with some additions such as wallpapers, folders and all (big whoopie...) Android is almost at 3.0, which is expected to be released at end of this year or by 1st quarter of next year and it is going to bring much more so I anticipate that the 3.0 will finally bring Android up on top and battle it out with Apple then just maybe, 4.0 will kick Apple out of the water and fall all the way to the bottom. At this point, it is like comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended) and soon enough, Android will be the new Apple!
 
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