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[hoichi]

hoichi: On my screen is ALLDEAF.COM,

I am well aware there some deaf persons who don't/can't benefit from the use of either Hearing aids/Cochlear Implants. Thus the use of sign languare-ASL/BSL et al. Such is life.

aside: I am still bilateral DEAF if I disconnect my Cochlear Implant-real quiet!

cool,,,,

 

[deafdyke]

Why are you on the Hearing Aid/Cochlear Implant board.....it's getting old, very old....

Sign language sucks......

Why the bashing? Sign doesn't suck...It's a LANGUGE! Would you say Welsh sucks, would you say Cornish sucks, would you say Gullah sucks?
It's not for you.....great. Just don't say it sucks....and heck it's a lot more fun then reading about How the Ear Hears and How to Read an Audiogram.
What's fun about Hearing Health 101?

 

[HOH-ME]

Why the bashing? Sign doesn't suck...It's a LANGUGE! Would you say Welsh sucks, would you say Cornish sucks, would you say Gullah sucks?
It's not for you.....great. Just don't say it sucks....and heck it's a lot more fun then reading about How the Ear Hears and How to Read an Audiogram.
What's fun about Hearing Health 101?

Just replying to someone who constantly bashes HA's and CI's...and sign language is not the answer to hearing problems because guess what, hardly anyone KNOWS sign language so it's just as bad as not being able to hear. It's also pretty difficult to use sign language over the phone, in meetings where no one else knows sign language, etc. Being able to function in the hearing world is far superior. I've been in both and unless you have as well, hoichi specifically, how can you even begin to comment.

 

[Jane B.]

Why the bashing? Sign doesn't suck...It's a LANGUGE! Would you say Welsh sucks, would you say Cornish sucks, would you say Gullah sucks?
It's not for you.....great. Just don't say it sucks....and heck it's a lot more fun then reading about How the Ear Hears and How to Read an Audiogram.
What's fun about Hearing Health 101?

I think what HOH-ME is saying sucks is that hoichi keeps going on about sign in the section of the board that is devoted to hearing aids and CIs. It is a matter of being in the wrong section.

 

[Jane B.]

The old saying of, "Only an Audiologist can determine the best hearing aid for you", is actually a load of horse-hockey.

Hearing aids are not prescription medication that can kill you if you take the wrong one. My coworker knew nothing about hearing aids, when he needed one a few years ago. So, he went to an Audi, and the Audi was staunch in recommending a certain brand. He wanted a second opinion, so he went to another Audi, and he then recommended a different brand and model. Each one gave him a couple different ones to try, but he was never satisfied. He felt like he was being boxed in by each Audi he went to. Like a car salesman trying to push the certain models they sell.

Eventually, he tried Costco, and the Audi there did not get paid on commission. She let him literally try 4 different HA's they carried for his level of hearing loss, and finally found the one he wanted, which I think was a Rexton. He bought his from there because his insurance did not cover a HA, and so he saved a little money as well.

He told me about Costco after I ran into a problem with my daughters Audi, because even though my daughters Audi let her try a couple different kinds, he didn't want her going to Costco because he told her the HA's had less features. This I am not really buying into, but the ones labelled "Kirkland" do have a few different features than the comparable models, but they still have identical sound quality. Well, after trying out a few kinds, my daughter got the Kirkland HA they carry for half the price of a comparable HA, which is actually made by Resound. It also works with the wireless accessories for cochlear implants, because she now has a CI in her other ear. The sound quality also meets her personal preference. The price for us was not the biggest factor, because our insurance does cover HA's. But still, it was half the price compared to a private Audiologist.

I am not going to say "Don't go to a private Audiologist", because not everyone has a Costco, or other options available. Like anyone, Audiologists have a business to run as well. They work and earn their paycheck just like the rest of us. If you have a personal Audi nearby, and the convenience is your preference, then by all means go to them for your needs. The Audi my daughter has for her cochlear implant, is a fine Audiologist, he just didn't have the HA I wanted my daughter to try.

In the end it is your decision. Every HA brand out there makes a top end model that will have many different features. It is up to you to try out several, and find the one you like best for your personal needs, and in my friends case, not the model that maximizes the Audiologists paycheck.

In our case, my daughter and I found the HA she liked the most as well, not her Audi.

The alternative is not just Costo or a private Audiologist. I live in a small town where there is one ENT. There used to be an audiologist in his office but we also have a dealer that carries several brands and has been in business for over 25 years. She is so respected that most have bought from her. The ENT no longer has an audiologist in his office.

 

[hoichi]

Just replying to someone who constantly bashes HA's and CI's...and sign language is not the answer to hearing problems because guess what, hardly anyone KNOWS sign language so it's just as bad as not being able to hear. It's also pretty difficult to use sign language over the phone, in meetings where no one else knows sign language, etc. Being able to function in the hearing world is far superior. I've been in both and unless you have as well, hoichi specifically, how can you even begin to comment.

sign language IS the answer to the plm of communication, between human biengs that are deaf, and for those hearing people that wish to be a part of the deafies life no wires attacheD. No dependence on a device to be able to fully live and function and be a full human bieng and communicate with others. Sign requires no third party multi national profit driven company, nothing other then the power of the human mind and imagination. It can be used in more enviroments, is portible, it IS superior in every way. Sign is natural, it is perfectly suited and designed to addess this plm. All it takes is the will to learn, which compared to the agressive agenda of assimilation of CI adherents (almost a religous conviction it seems in many) frankly sign, is superior, it frees the deafie from isolation, it alllows the deafie to communicate, to think in his own language, to be what he is deaf,
As for functioning in fhe hearing world, sign doesnt negate that, . On the confrary it allows.that...i Function just fne, most Deaf do, rather then assimilation at all costs which is unhealthy and a form of cultural and lingustic oppresion and , enthocide why cant the hearie world accept us for what we are, a linguistic minority, your first reaction was to attack my language rather then engage my ideas..and its telling..
our language doesnt suck...
Its our greatest treasure.

 

[hoichi]

I think what HOH-ME is saying sucks is that hoichi keeps going on about sign in the section of the board that is devoted to hearing aids and CIs. It is a matter of being in the wrong section.

i am offering an alternative technology to the technology thst is pushed by many in this section. a technology which is superior and is NOT rooted in dependence but is rooted in Freedom no wires attached. Period.
they are not sepeerate issues, CI ha and sign they are entwined, in that the agends of ci and the ideology that deives it is rid the woeld of people like us. Deaf. Sign is rooted in independance, in freedom. and respect and tolerence for differnces, not assimilatio. At all costs
for bieng in wrong section i am in the right one. As sign is a technology that does what ci and ha claim to do, but sign does it better.
Period

 

[Frisky Feline]

true. ^^ some people feels the need to be functioning in the hearing world so they relay on the SOUND with either HA or CI.

 

[cdmeggers]

Sign language is not always the answer to all. Unfortunately, we live in a HEARING world, and not all d/Deaf and hoh persons will have a d/Deaf community or friends to interact with, so then what? And some people WANT to be able to hear, some may not want to be deaf and struggling so much in a hearing world. Yes, technology is not perfect but it's a tool that's available should they want to utilize it.

I have CIs myself, am very happy with it, and still use signs when I socialize with the local deaf community. But most of the time I am in the hearing world, where I am oral and using my CIs and lipreading skills.

Please, get this in your head hoichi: different strokes for different folks! It's not a one size fits all situation. Respect each person's individual personal choices on how they want to live their lives. There is just absolutely no need for you to jump into every thread with your "ASL is the way of life" standards. Just understand that it's a personal choice/preference for some folks if they want to use hearing aids or CIs and be oral rather than learning ASL (or whichever sign language is used in their home country). And sign language is NOT the answer to all communication problems. It depends on the situation and the people involved.

 

[hoichi]

Sign language is not always the answer to all. Unfortunately, we live in a HEARING world, .

NO. This world belongs to the Deaf just as much as it does to the hearing. This idea that this world belongs to the hearie, only or white man only, or..(you choose), is dangerous and one the fundemental plms here. You rant about respecting other peoples differences, yet at the same time from the other side of your mouth rant about this world.belonging to the hearies, or to use your words, its a HEARING world..nonsense!!
This world belongs to all people...Deaf,hearie, all of us.

Sig not all d/Deaf and hoh persons will have a d/Deaf community or friends to interact with, so then what? And some people WANT to be able to hear, some may not want to be deaf and struggling so much in a hearing world.

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Cant you get it through your head sIGN is for everyone, hearie can use it withbddaf and vice versa, my hearie friends sign i taght them, they did not delmand i assimilate and get drilled holes in my head to.be a part of my life, they acceot me for who i am. Its called friendship sign will negate that struggle, the struggle to communicate. All it takes is to be learned. as it did for me and all Deaf its alternative to the products rooted in dependence you push,

technology is not perfect but it's a tool that's available should they want to utilize it..

Same goes for SIGN

Sig
Please, get this in your head hoichi: different strokes for different folks! It's not a one size fits all situation. Respect each person's individual personal choices on how they want to live their lives. There is just absolutely no need for you to jump into every thread with your "ASL is the way of life" standards. Just understand that it's a personal choice/preference for some folks if they want to use hearing aids or CIs and be oral rather than learning ASL (or whichever sign language is used in their home country). And sign language is NOT the answer to all communication problems. It depends on the situation and the people involved.

You say different strokes for different folks, yet claim its a HEARING world..bull ****!!!
Nice talk. Fact is i am only offering an alternative technokogy, freedom to choose is rooted in making an informed choice and knowing the alternatives...
As for.getting it through my head
The minute CI companies.stop inplanting deaf babies, (talk about choice ), will be the minute i shut up, until then,
Over my dead signs pall!!!
All i have done is offer an alternatives, yet CI adherents attack our language, claim its not our world, and argue about respect and choice...
the hypocracy would be funny if it wasnt so dangerous

 

[AlleyCat]

Sign language sucks......

Yep, it sucks the same as costing your insurance company 60k for a surgery. Same as for having to lipread. Same for having to use closed captioning. Same for using interpreters of any kind. (Most of which all still happen post-implantees, if this board is anything to go by.)

Yeah, I agree, Sign language just sucks.

 

[cdmeggers]

Whatever hoichi, I'm done. You're impossible. Yes, sign can be useful, but again... the world consists of a hearing majority, and the majority is not going to be so willing to adapt and learn signs for us, as much as we'd like them too. Just saying some deaf/hoh are going to choose the hearing aids/CIs or whatever and so be it, and those who may have recently became deaf due to illness/old age/whatever may not necessarily want to learn sign because again, most people they deal with are hearing and why would those people learn sign?

And now I'm definitely done. Bye.

 

[hoichi]

. the world consists of a hearing majority, and the majority is not going to be so willing to adapt and learn signs for us, .

Its not about the majority, its about those who wish to be a meaningfull part of our lives. Why wouldnt those who wish to be.close.to us and our friends or our families not want to learn and use a technology sign, that asks so so little of each? why not? Its meeting half way, its repsecting each others differences, its rooted in the idea of cooperation and not assimiLation. So why not? The answer is ingrained audism, and thats not a good justification. We have historical precedent. Marthas vinyard, where hearie and deaf signed. ItS not impossible, sith todsys technology re net, vid,apps, it really is not impossible. let go of your prejuduce.

as much as we'd like them too. Just saying some deaf/hoh are going to choose the hearing aids/CIs or whatever and so be it, and those who may have recently became deaf due to illness/old age/whatever may not necessarily want to learn sign because again, most people they deal with are hearing and why would those people learn sign? .

Those people would learn sign for the same reason the hearie people in my life learned sign. To be a meaninfull part of my life rather then a stranger.instead deep rooted and ingrained audism prevents most from even tryng.instead its force deaf kids to speak even though we.cant hear, (so much for tolerence), or its implannt deaf babies, lest heavens forbid they stay deaf (gasp!!) The horror!!), o.i.c....
its that simple really

 

[cdmeggers]

Signing is NOT a technology! It's another method. Learn what technology means, buddy. Bye.

 

[hoichi]

Signing is NOT a technology! It's another method. Learn what technology means, buddy. Bye.

Thought you were definetley done?

Since your here, i need to correct your error. sign IS a technology. As its a language, and language can be and IS viewed as a technology.
Google is your friend. Take the time to educate yourself...happy learning....
see ya...

 

[crazytechnerd]

2 minutes silence for that Guy who said Sign language is a Technology ... didn't know about it before yet :banghead:

 

[hoichi]

Glad i helped.

 

[Willard213]

Which hearing aid is the best?

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