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KarissaMann05 said:
lol we post'ed it the same time. But, yaeh, I agreed... I'm done this thead right now...
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great mind think alike eh? or is it twisted minds think alike?!?! LOL
 
Hear Again said:
don't play psychotic with me. that's NOT funny.

i'm asking you if you lost touch with reality because you don't remember having written several posts. either you remember or you don't. which one is it???
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i'm seriously confused i really honest don't know what you're talking about
 
Nika said:
what are you even talking about when did you care for me when you were accuse me of faking or when you said you know i am?
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i cared for you last night before you admitted to malingering.
 
Oceanbreeze said:
It shouldn't be tolerated. Simply stated a forum is not the proper place for displaying acute illness. I am not criticising Hear Again or anyone else for how they conducted themselves. I'm just stating that a forum is not the place to get help. If someone is really ill, they should be in close contact with a psychiatrist and therapist. A loved one should also be involved. I have stated this before, but it went ignored. Now, we have seen the flipside. We have someone who blatantly made a mockery of mental illness.

Anyway, how do you deal with this? Re-write the forum rules to state simply that if one is suicidal or acutely ill, they must take responsiblity for themselves because AD can't be responsible for them. We've seen the drama that can ensue when one is worried about an individual and it's not fair. It's not fair to us and it's not fair to them.

I absolutely mean NO disrespect to Hear Again, and I hope she knows I am not speaking of her directly. However, I also speak as a person who is also mentally ill. I am also under good psychiatric care. I manage things when I'm not doing well. I just do it away from AD because, I know that the forum and its members don't have the ability to help me. It's not fair to ask them to bail me out of a crisis.
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Good post. I will be the first to say that I agree with every bit of that stated. Sadly I would be inclined to say most online forums possibly do not encounter these kind of issues, I suppose when it gets really in-depth like ours here as of late, it becomes a challenge to figure out; in which can be easily remedied by stating it in the signup disclaimers.
 
Hear Again said:
naisho,

you are correct that the mods had every right to ban me. although i was rapid cycling and my bipolar was acting up, there was no excuse for me to say inappropriate things.

however, there is a BIG difference between what i did (i.e. writing angry posts in the lounge thread) and what nika did. nika flat out lied about having suicidal ideations and in my opinion, i think that's cause for being permanently banned from ad.

i sincerely hope the mods will act upon this swiftly and ban nika for good.
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I agree.
 
naisho said:
Good post. I will be the first to say that I agree with every bit of that stated. Sadly I would be inclined to say most online forums possibly do not encounter these kind of issues, I suppose when it gets really in-depth like ours here as of late, it becomes a challenge to figure out; in which can be easily remedied by stating it in the signup disclaimers.
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No, they don't. There are mental health forums on the web (some which I have been apart of) and most will state that they can't be held accountable for anyone who is suicidal. They say if one becomes suicidal, they are to contact 911 and get help. But, they cannot do it for the person. I'm reaching a bit here, but I also believe there is liablity involved. God help this forum (or any for that matter) if someone actually DOES kill themselves online, and a loved one decides to come after them. I don't know if that is a real possiblity or not, but I don't want to be the one in the hot seat should someone decide life isn't worth living anymore and offs themselves after making a post about it. While we're on this tangent, is it really fair for the rest of us to have to "watch" someone in that kind of distress and wondering if they are alright or not?

No, it's not.
 
I want to talk about what being on a psychiatric hold is like, and what happens to you during the psychiatric hold. I have witnessed it with the girl I was caring for (the cutter). When the girl committed, or rather, attempted suicide (I spoke about her in another thread), she was put on a psychiatric hold. Since the amount of pills she took was not enough to kill her (the attempt and the intent of suicide was enough for them to put her on a psychiatric hold), they just ended up putting her in an empty room on a bed with absolutely NOTHING in the room. The nurse told me that this room was reserved for suicidal and other mental patients, and that's why it was set up to have absolutely nothing in the room. No medical items at all, etc. Just a bed and a couple of chairs. She was NOT allowed to have her personal items with her, and she was NOT allowed to leave the room. The nurses held all her items at the nurses' desk. She was made to undress and put on a special gown (the kind of gown that you couldn't do anything with to hang yourself with, etc). There was a security guard sitting outside the door to make she could not leave the room. I was the only one that was allowed in the room with her, but I could not have my items with me, either, (understandable) because she could use them to harm herself (pens, keys, my own meds, etc were in my purse), since she would not contract not to harm herself while on psychiatric hold. They had asked her if she would contract not to harm herself while on psychiatric hold, and she said no, she was going to find ways to cut herself. So I allowed a nurse in the ER to hold my purse for me and since I was deaf, they allowed me to have paper and a marker (you cannot really hurt yourself with a magic marker, or at least it's a lot harder to hurt yourself with it, but you can hurt yourself with a pen or pencil) so I could communicate with the girl (she was hearing and just beginning to learn to fingerspell) and so I could communicate with the nurses and the doctors and the psychologist. She wanted to go outside for a smoke, and they would not allow her at all. She tried to badger them to let her go for a smoke, and they warned her that if she kept it up, they would restrain her. They were very strict about everything. If the girl needed to go to the bathroom, the security guard and a nurse had to escort her to the bathroom, and then the female nurse had to stand outside the bathroom door with the door cracked open just wide enough so that the nurse could make sure that the girl was not going to harm herself while in the bathroom. If she wanted water, they would bring it to her in a paper cup. They told her that if she made even one attempt at harming herself while in the room and while on psychiatric hold, they WOULD put her in a 4-point restraints (meaning that both her hands and her feet would be in restraints on the bed). They kept her in that room until a psychologist was able to come see her in the morning (around 6 am) and I told the psychologist everything and he spoke to her, and he made the decision to place her in the psych ward in one wing of the hospital, and within the hour she was transported to the psych ward. I went with her to the psych ward, and once she was settled in, I told her goodbye (I was tired, was up all night with her, and wanted to go home and sleep), and told her that I cannot take care of her anymore, but that I would visit her from time to time. She was in the psych ward for a week, and they got a court order to place her in the state hospital where she stayed for 6 months since the psych ward could not give her the intensive mental health treatment that she needed, all they are able to do is keep her safe. The state hospital can do a LOT more for her (it was a very nice place and extremely modern, and I saw a huge positive change in her while she was there when I came to visit her). She was transported there on a Friday by a police officer after the judge approved the order.

So...pretending to be suicidal is not funny, and I wanted certain people on this board to know what being on a psychiatric hold was like. It is NO fun. I saw it. Not fun. This is no joke, this is very serious. The girl was NOT happy at all. I told her that it was for her own good, since I cannot keep her safe at all.

I will NOT tolerate people malingering and pretending to be suicidal for attention. Suicide is NOT a joke. Suicide hits very close to home for me, and ever since it happened to someone very dear and close to me many years ago, I have vowed to make every effort to make sure that no one I know commits suicide, even if they were not for real. I take every suicide threat seriously no matter who it came from, so I will always report that person if she or he threatens suicide. Even if I know that person might be pretending. I will NOT take the chance and then find out the next day that the person actually went through with the suicide threat. If that happened, I would not be able to live with myself for ignoring the threat and then having it actually happen. I would never forgive myself. So, yes, if it happens again, I WILL get my fiance to track down the IP address, and then I WILL call 911 and tell them about the threat that I saw on this board or elsewhere, and make sure they go to that person's address and check on that person. I will NOT take chances. Even if that person is a malingerer. Then they will get to see what being on a psychiatric hold is like, what being in a psych ward for a week is like, and what being in a state hospital for 6 months is like. It is not funny. Maybe then they will learn their lesson. :nono:
 
lucia,

the experiences of your friend in the psych ward were similar to my own in 1995. i was hospitalized back then for a suicide attempt (after the loss of my hearing -- i was severely depressed) and was also put in an empty room only in mine there was only a bed. it was bolted down to the floor and had a very hard matress. the door to my room was made of metal and locked. if i wanted to leave my room, i had to pound on the door to get someone to open it and if i went to the dining room to eat or to the bathroom, i was escorted everywhere i went. i wasn't allowed to leave my room except to eat meals and go to the restroom. it was a miserable existence for me, but was the only way to keep me safe. i was also drugged beyond belief so that i didn't self-harm (which i have problems with). my bed didn't even have sheets on it for fear that i would strangle myself, so i slept in the cold for 7 days while i was IP. that was the first and last time i ever tried to commit suicide and i can guarantee you that i learned enough from that experience never to do it again unless i'm actively psychotic due to my voices and have lost touch with reality.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
I want to talk about what being on a psychiatric hold is like, and what happens to you during the psychiatric hold. I have witnessed it with the girl I was caring for (the cutter). When the girl committed, or rather, attempted suicide (I spoke about her in another thread), she was put on a psychiatric hold. Since the amount of pills she took was not enough to kill her (the attempt and the intent of suicide was enough for them to put her on a psychiatric hold), they just ended up putting her in an empty room on a bed with absolutely NOTHING in the room. The nurse told me that this room was reserved for suicidal and other mental patients, and that's why it was set up to have absolutely nothing in the room. No medical items at all, etc. Just a bed and a couple of chairs. She was NOT allowed to have her personal items with her, and she was NOT allowed to leave the room. The nurses held all her items at the nurses' desk. She was made to undress and put on a special gown (the kind of gown that you couldn't do anything with to hang yourself with, etc). There was a security guard sitting outside the door to make she could not leave the room. I was the only one that was allowed in the room with her, but I could not have my items with me, either, (understandable) because she could use them to harm herself (pens, keys, my own meds, etc were in my purse), since she would not contract not to harm herself while on psychiatric hold. They had asked her if she would contract not to harm herself while on psychiatric hold, and she said no, she was going to find ways to cut herself. So I allowed a nurse in the ER to hold my purse for me and since I was deaf, they allowed me to have paper and a marker (you cannot really hurt yourself with a magic marker, or at least it's a lot harder to hurt yourself with it, but you can hurt yourself with a pen or pencil) so I could communicate with the girl (she was hearing and just beginning to learn to fingerspell) and so I could communicate with the nurses and the doctors and the psychologist. She wanted to go outside for a smoke, and they would not allow her at all. She tried to badger them to let her go for a smoke, and they warned her that if she kept it up, they would restrain her. They were very strict about everything. If the girl needed to go to the bathroom, the security guard and a nurse had to escort her to the bathroom, and then the female nurse had to stand outside the bathroom door with the door cracked open just wide enough so that the nurse could make sure that the girl was not going to harm herself while in the bathroom. If she wanted water, they would bring it to her in a paper cup. They told her that if she made even one attempt at harming herself while in the room and while on psychiatric hold, they WOULD put her in a 4-point restraints (meaning that both her hands and her feet would be in restraints on the bed). They kept her in that room until a psychologist was able to come see her in the morning (around 6 am) and I told the psychologist everything and he spoke to her, and he made the decision to place her in the psych ward in one wing of the hospital, and within the hour she was transported to the psych ward. I went with her to the psych ward, and once she was settled in, I told her goodbye (I was tired, was up all night with her, and wanted to go home and sleep), and told her that I cannot take care of her anymore, but that I would visit her from time to time. She was in the psych ward for a week, and they got a court order to place her in the state hospital where she stayed for 6 months since the psych ward could not give her the intensive mental health treatment that she needed, all they are able to do is keep her safe. The state hospital can do a LOT more for her (it was a very nice place and extremely modern, and I saw a huge positive change in her while she was there when I came to visit her). She was transported there on a Friday by a police officer after the judge approved the order.

So...pretending to be suicidal is not funny, and I wanted certain people on this board to know what being on a psychiatric hold was like. It is NO fun. I saw it. Not fun. This is no joke, this is very serious. The girl was NOT happy at all. I told her that it was for her own good, since I cannot keep her safe at all.

I will NOT tolerate people malingering and pretending to be suicidal for attention. Suicide is NOT a joke. Suicide hits very close to home for me, and ever since it happened to someone very dear and close to me many years ago, I have vowed to make every effort to make sure that no one I know commits suicide, even if they were not for real. I take every suicide threat seriously no matter who it came from, so I will always report that person if she or he threatens suicide. Even if I know that person might be pretending. I will NOT take the chance and then find out the next day that the person actually went through with the suicide threat. If that happened, I would not be able to live with myself for ignoring the threat and then having it actually happen. I would never forgive myself. So, yes, if it happens again, I WILL get my fiance to track down the IP address, and then I WILL call 911 and tell them about the threat that I saw on this board or elsewhere, and make sure they go to that person's address and check on that person. I will NOT take chances. Even if that person is a malingerer. Then they will get to see what being on a psychiatric hold is like, what being in a psych ward for a week is like, and what being in a state hospital for 6 months is like. It is not funny. Maybe then they will learn their lesson. :nono:
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Thank you for sharing that experience, Lucia. The reality is that a psych hold for intent to harm oneself or another is not a pretty picture. It is not something to be taken lightly. It is a situation where the individual looses all control of their life for the period of time deemed necessary by the courts and the doctors. And one cetainly does not get a lot of sympathy during the hold period. If it is sympathy and attention one wants, threatening suicide is not the way to get it. That only gets you a complete lack of control over your existence,right down to when and where you will be permitted to use the bathroom.
 
Hear Again said:
lucia,

the experiences of your friend in the psych ward were similar to my own in 1995. i was hospitalized back then for a suicide attempt (after the loss of my hearing -- i was severely depressed) and was also put in an empty room only in mine there was only a bed. it was bolted down to the floor and had a very hard matress. the door to my room was made of metal and locked. if i wanted to leave my room, i had to pound on the door to get someone to open it and if i went to the dining room to eat or to the bathroom, i was escorted everywhere i went. i wasn't allowed to leave my room except to eat meals and go to the restroom. it was a miserable existence for me, but was the only way to keep me safe. i was also drugged beyond belief so that i didn't self-harm (which i have problems with). my bed didn't even have sheets on it for fear that i would strangle myself, so i slept in the cold for 7 days while i was IP. that was the first and last time i ever tried to commit suicide and i can guarantee you that i learned enough from that experience never to do it again unless i'm actively psychotic due to my voices and have lost touch with reality.
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That sounds horrible. Can you email me and tell me where this was at? If you don't want to tell me on here? 7 days? That's pretty bad.
 
jillio,

you are exactly right about that. in the first hospital i was IP in back in 2006 after i experienced my first manic/psychotic episode, i was not given any sympathy (not that i wanted any to begin with, but you know what i mean in the context of this discussion). some of the staff were rude, inconsiderate and treated patients in a condescending manner. one of the nurses even kicked my bed violently to awaken me and another nurse barged into my bathroom as i was getting dressed to tell me it was time to take my meds. when someone is suicidal or psychotic, it is NOT the time for sympathy. the primary concern is to stabilize that person so that they can fully recover from their episode and be discharged.
 
LuciaDisturbed said:
That sounds horrible. Can you email me and tell me where this was at? If you don't want to tell me on here? 7 days? That's pretty bad.
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for fear of slandering one hospital in particular, i've changed my mind and have deleted my comments. let's just say that since you used to live in milwaukee, i think you have a pretty good idea of where this happened.

if you'd like me to provide more details, let me know and i can send you an
e-mail.
 
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Hear Again said:
jillio,

you are exactly right about that. in the first hospital i was IP in back in 2006 after i experienced my first manic/psychotic episode, i was not given any sympathy (not that i wanted any to begin with, but you know what i mean in the context of this discussion). some of the staff were rude, inconsiderate and treated patients in a condescending manner. one of the nurses even kicked my bed violently to awaken me and another nurse barged into my bathroom as i was getting dressed to tell me it was time to take my meds. when someone is suicidal or psychotic, it is NOT the time for sympathy. the primary concern is to stabilize that person so that they can fully recover from their episode and be discharged.
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I'm very sorry for your experiences Hear again, i have to agree, it is nice to hear someone tell you they understand, but in the long run it accomplishes vert little if anything.
 
typeingtornado19 said:
I'm very sorry for your experiences Hear again, i have to agree, it is nice to hear someone tell you they understand, but in the long run it accomplishes vert little if anything.
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exactly, typeingtornado. the point of an IP stay isn't to receive sympathy. it's to get better.
 
Hear Again said:
jillio,

you are exactly right about that. in the first hospital i was IP in back in 2006 after i experienced my first manic/psychotic episode, i was not given any sympathy (not that i wanted any to begin with, but you know what i mean in the context of this discussion). some of the staff were rude, inconsiderate and treated patients in a condescending manner. one of the nurses even kicked my bed violently to awaken me and another nurse barged into my bathroom as i was getting dressed to tell me it was time to take my meds. when someone is suicidal or psychotic, it is NOT the time for sympathy. the primary concern is to stabilize that person so that they can fully recover from their episode and be discharged.
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Absolutely. And until the time that the patient is stabilized, protection from themselves is the goal. That oftentimes includes methods that are less than compassionate.
 
I don't think Nika should be banned. Only god can tell how Nika was feeling when he made those posts. So could we leave God to make judgement on Nika and stop attacking him please?
 
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