My hubby's experience with CI users at Spa

[Liebling:-)))]

I posted about my hubby at Maria's thread last month.

My hubby left home for go to 4 weeks Spa in Bosenberg which around one hour distance from Luxemburg last Tuesday. (4 hours distance from my area). He was very disappointed that none of deafies are there but CI and HOH. None of CI and HOH can sign... My hubby is oral but he need to use sign language with his hands. Interpreter is around but they can´t sign with their hands. He decided that that Bosenberg clinic is not right for him so he got a doctor to call Health Insurance for the permission to let him go home. They understood and gave him permit. He will come home this afternoon and said that he will tell me everything what he know from CI and HOH. Accord his 2 fax, CI users didn´t know what they really are. The description of his fax sound that the parents of CI users pull them to their own world instead of learn deaf world because they should be like them. I am thrilling to learn anything from him what he experienced there since last Tuesday.

I also shared my experience of 5 weeks spa at my thread and few threads under CI section last year where I met many CI users around and received their interesting experiences. Some CI users learn that they are really deaf at years later and begin to focus deaf culture and like it... They learn sign language... Their parents can´t do anything but accept what they are which is great. One lady, I met is very very very sad one... Their parents cannot accept that she like to involve at deaf world.

http://www.alldeaf.com/836399-post66.html

I want to share the update about my hubby's experience last month but I was toooo busssy to debate at CI threads for long month.

My hubby cancelled 4 weeks spa in Bad Bosenberg with the permit from Health Insurance after 3 days stay at Spa last month. He was very upset that there's no GSL interpreter around. He was very upset because the information/detail about spa is not all correct... it written most "hörgeschädigte" (hearing-impaired) which he thought it's for HOH, deaf, CI, tinnties, hearing loss, late deafen, etc... interpreter, flash light, clock etc in each room, etc. is exact same as 3 different spa resorts for hearing impaired where I was attended one of 3 spa resorts last year. See my experience at Spa in Bad Berleburg.

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/34883-i-want-let-you-know.html

The weeks before he left, he questioned the assistance of Spa about interpreter, flash lighting, clock alarm, etc. Their replied all "YES" to his questions... He still doubt it and told Health Insurance that he want to go the same Spa resort where I was attend last year or where he was attended at 3 years ago. Unfortunlately they decide to send him to Bad Bosenberg instead of 2 different spa resorts because there're no room for him there. He accept their offer...

Few days before my hubby leave for Spa, I met GSL interpreter at shopping mall. We chatted and mentioned Bad Bosenberg... She was like huh and said that she never heard about this and want to have link from me via email. Okay, I did... She was like huh and wonder herself why she never heard about that Bad Bosenberg... The day, he left for Bad Bosenberg and told me that he has no good feeling about Bad Bosenberg ... I told him to try it then he will know more... He left... and next day I got his fax saying that he want home... wow... He convinced Professor to let him go home with permit from Health Insurance. He left Tuesday and came home by Thursday instead of stay 4 weeks there.

He knew for a minute that spa clinic is not right for him... CI users/HOH people, he met there is total different as we often met CI users/HOH people who can sign in deaf communities and spa resorts. CI users act as hearing people.. "too snobby" something like that.. It look like that they really don't know what they really are and also about themselves as well. They don't live in deaf world but HOH world... HOH world? interesting, that what my hubby described me about...

They (CI users/HOH who act like hearing people have their own HOH community). Anyway, they don't know how to communicate with sign language. He met interpreter there but they can't sign ... My hubby asked her why she is here when she can't sign? She explained that she is there for HOH with HA/CI people who have the problem to understand professor/doctor. My hubby said: Why "hearing-impaired" scream on the detail/information for which it's should not be... just HOH/CI/tinnities/late deaf, NOT deaf... Remember that deaf need hands to communicate with ...

My hubby asked some of them either they are really deaf or not... but their reply is they can hear well... That's not what my hubby want to know... he WANT to know either they born deaf... some of his questions are being denied which is really sad. *speechless* They talk about % of hearing loss... My hubby is not interest to hear how many % hearing loss, they have before have CI... My hubby don't like their social behavior but have to accept what they are and tried to get know them... impossible...

The people, he met is belongs to both HOH and hearing world, not deaf world...

One deaf man from Berlin came on the same day my hubby left for go home. He also is shock, too and said that he is glad to have my hubby around... My hubby told him that he is sorry that he can't stay 4 weeks without GSL interpreter to know positive things...

Next day after left Spa, my hubby went to Health Insurance and complaint about "hearing-impaired" which is not correct. They are speechless because they thought "hearing/impaired" is including deaf... Anyway, my hubby re-apply for go the same Spa where I was attended last year... We don't know either they take his application or not. Wait and See.

We wrote a letter to President for the Deaf about Bad Bosenberg and suggest to drop "hearing-impaired" with reason because many deaf people thought deaf is also including when they read "Spa for hearing-impaired", etc... It should be written "Spa for the deaf, HOH, tinntius and hearing" instead of one word "hearing-impaired"???

What do you think of this?

Debate here is welcome...


I hope my long post don't make you feel

 

[highlands]

So should we put all the blame on cochlear implants ?

 

[Cheri]

Hearing impaired does mean the person is deaf, it just another way to describe disabled characteristics, I know for fact that some deaf people don't like to be called "hearing impaired" but it never seems to be a bothered to me. I remember someone asked me which is more respectful to write down to describe my character, "hearing impaired" or just "deaf" I would just tell this person, I don't care either way is fine by me.

If you or your husband don't like that word, You have every right to have an opinion.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Hearing impaired does mean the person is deaf, it just another way to describe disabled characteristics, I know for fact that some deaf people don't like to be called "hearing impaired" but it never seems to be a bothered to me. I remember someone asked me which is more respectful to write down to describe my character, "hearing impaired" or just "deaf" I would just tell this person, I don't care either way is fine by me.

If you or your husband don't like that word, You have every right to have an opinion.

No, it doesn´t mean that we don´t like those word "hearing impaired". It should not add "hearing-impaired" in writing when there´re only HOH/CI with oral-interpreters.. If they written "hearing-impaired" on any detail/information which mean deaf is also including with HOH/CI/tinntins, late deaf, etc. My hubby found out that GSL interpreter are not avaliable but oral-interpreter for CI/HOH only. Why they write "hearing impaired" for.

They should not write "Spa for the hearing-impaired" to lead deaf beleive that deaf is also including... because deaf need to signing with hands and also need GSL interpreters.

The reason we wrote a letter inform President for the Deaf because they should aware that there´re no deaf at Spa in Bad Bosenberg... They should drop those word "hearing-impaired" if GSL interpreters for deaf are not including.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So should we put all the blame on cochlear implants ?

who says that we blame CI?

 

[Cheri]

No, it doesn´t mean that we don´t like those word "hearing impaired". It should not add "hearing-impaired" in writing when there´re only HOH/CI with oral-interpreters.. If they written "hearing-impaired" on any detail/information which mean deaf is also including with HOH/CI/tinntins, late deaf, etc. My hubby found out that GSL interpreter are not avaliable but oral-interpreter for CI/HOH only. Why they write "hearing impaired" for.

They should not write "Spa for the hearing-impaired" to lead deaf beleive that deaf is also including... because deaf need to signing with hands and also need GSL interpreters.

The reason we wrote a letter inform President for the Deaf because they should aware that there´re no deaf at Spa in Bad Bosenberg... They should drop those word "hearing-impaired" if GSL interpreters for deaf are not including.

Ah, I understand now, That sounds so discriminated of what they're doing because if they only allowing those who are implanted and hard of hearing, and not the deaf then that's discriminated. If I were you, I'll write them a letter stating your complaint because "hearing impaired" stands for the deaf also.

 

[GalaxyAngel]

Hearing Impaired = terms is .. Hearing broken as hearing loss and etc... so many different wording for defecation for other ppl tend say that.

I'm sick of it..
I'd rather label their own preferences....

I'm DEAF as proprite strong word as recognize who am I..

If you say.. I'm HOH... That's fine it's easier recognizes you're Hard of Hearing..

Isn't harmful..
but tired of word Hearing Impaired. wha..hell is that? am I broken ears?

 

[GalaxyAngel]

So should we put all the blame on cochlear implants ?

Don't be huge jump collusion misunderstand..

What she stated her experience when she met someone who have ci... while her attend SPA... What make you determined that "Pointing finger blame ci?" Wha.. heck is that ?

Hearing people are tends say that.. Oh that person is Hearing Impaired.. what make your own point view "thinking...." Oh yes.. can be misunderstand..
The person is Deaf.. not ears broken.. but just Deaf.. Both Ears are fine still there..

What make difference?

Do you have broken ears.. Oh.. you're Hearing impaired.. how can you feel that way?
Don't ever think about it..

 

[highlands]

yes,there is a hidden blaming on CIs ....here it is

... CI users/HOH people, he met there is total different as we often met CI users/HOH people who can sign in deaf communities and spa resorts. CI users act as hearing people.. "too snobby" something like that.. It look like that they really don't know what they really are and also about themselves as well. They don't live in deaf world but HOH world... HOH world? interesting, that what my hubby described me about...

 

[Reba]

... CI users/HOH people, he met there is total different as we often met CI users/HOH people who can sign in deaf communities and spa resorts. CI users act as hearing people.. "too snobby" something like that.. It look like that they really don't know what they really are and also about themselves as well. They don't live in deaf world but HOH world... HOH world? interesting, that what my hubby described me about...

When I first saw the title "My hubby's experience with CI users at Spa" I also thought the emphasis was about CI users.

 

[highlands]

When I first saw the title "My hubby's experience with CI users at Spa" I also thought the emphasis was about CI users.

actually my posts here was only for humor


I am bored with seeing the same thing over and over again :|

 

[Maria]

Lieblin',

I am so sorry about your husband's experiences. To me, it's " prejudice "... a discrimination against a group. I can see HoH/CI separated themselves from the " deaf " world/culture. In my own eyes the way I see it, it's almost like some white people want to separate themselves from black people like in old days. Some white people see black people as low rank or 2nd class - same thing with CI/HoH view on deaf people when they ( CI/HoH ) prefer to remain in their CI/HoH world/culture/community. I wonder why cause this friction ?

I am concerned about the percent of " deaf " people will become smaller and smaller in the near future, because of cochlear implants and that it supports " speech " and " voice " rather than " visual " and " ASL ". That's like to them, the ASL is gettin' old. I could say many things about some people throw away - not follow it to keep it up, because of " diversity " they will say that people will have to accept.

Ok, hon - I will say it here for examples: In old times, there were strong Christians around preachin' about the Word of God and they kept their family together in homes to say their grace and so on. But, for today - what happened ? They threw away its value tradition as it supposed to carry down to generation to keep faith. Unfortunately, it doesn't happen. It changes. Churches are fallin' apart because, of their lifestyle changes. Like marriage, they divorce and thought it's ok to divorce because it is style nowdays... soo, now they don't need to marry by livin' together as common in laws.

That's what happens to " ASL " and " visual " and where did they go ? I am more concerned that they will throw it away, too for something new they adopt for a better world. They seek " new " advanced " things. I can say another example for that, too. When there's a new Nintendo, people will start buyin' it in maybe, 1980's and, then several years later they will start to throw Nintendo away when the Nintendo games were no longer sellin' at stores, because of new Playstation show up at stores people were startin' to buy... and so on and on.

Ok, now I am wonderin' if, cochlear implants don't help anythin'... will there be a " new " somethin' such like new nerves implants ?? They will throw the cochlear implants because of new nerves implants they want ? Things like this could happen. There's ALWAYS somethin' new and people will throw " old " things away or no longer in use.

I feel that the " ASL " is bein' ignored.

 

[Reba]

It seems that if the spa advertises itself as being for "the hearing impaired" it should provide full services, and that would include signing interpreters, oral facilitators, CART, TTY, VRS, captioned media, note takers, printed handouts, vibrating alarms, flashing lights, signing staff members, etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

yes,there is a hidden blaming on CIs ....here it is

... CI users/HOH people, he met there is total different as we often met CI users/HOH people who can sign in deaf communities and spa resorts. CI users act as hearing people.. "too snobby" something like that.. It look like that they really don't know what they really are and also about themselves as well. They don't live in deaf world but HOH world... HOH world? interesting, that what my hubby described me about...

Please read carefully... It´s not just CI users but HOH with HA as well who can´t communicate with sign language because they think they are hearing. Blame their CI or HOH itself? No, but users themselves... who have problem with social behavior to deny who really they are.

I am total surprised because we often involved with HOH/CI users in deaf community.. .I met CI users/HOH with HA at Spa last year... They can SIGN... I was like wow when my hubby told me the story...

 

[jillio]

Like, you Liebling, if I see "hearing impaired" I think it means all groups with hearing loss, not just HOH or CI. The spa misrepresented itself to your husband. If they want to use that term, "hearing impaired" , but don't include the signing deaf, then they need to make it clear that the spa is for ORAL ONLY.

I personally object to the term hearing impaired, because it implies pathology, and brokeness. It places the focus on soemthing wrong with the ears, and doesn't see the person a a whole being. Deaf people are more than their ears, and while they may have less sound perception than hearing people, they (at least the majority that I know) are not impaired.

I'm sorry that yur husband had this bad experience. I don't blame him for coming home. It was discrimination against signing deaf.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It seems that if the spa advertises itself as being for "the hearing impaired" it should provide full services, and that would include signing interpreters, oral facilitators, CART, TTY, VRS, captioned media, note takers, printed handouts, vibrating alarms, flashing lights, signing staff members, etc.

Exactly!

Unfortunalately the Spa resort in Bad Bosenberg is for CI users/HOH with HA who can´t sign... just oral... they have oral-interpreter... without sign with hands...

They don´t have flashing lights and signing members but fax machine, vibrating alarm, TV with subtitles.

Where 3 different spa resorts for hearing-impair have everything for deaf, HOH, CI, tinntinus, late deafen people... The spa resort in Bad Berleburg, I attended last year have everything, not just HOH/CI users in Bad Bosenberg... They should not add "hearing impaired" when there´re only for HOH/CI users.

 

[Tousi]

Ah so, the German AGB equivalent.

 

[Angel]

The term "hearing-impaired" is offensive to some deaf and hard of hearing people for a number of reasons while others see "hearing-impaired" as well-meaning word... and you're correct, deaf and hoh people have the right to choose what they wish to be called...The word "hearing-impaired " is being used a lot by many hearing people, because that is how people see deaf people and they view it as politically correct word for those with hearing loss ..IF you notice on your TV menu or dvd movies where it says " closed-captions, subtitles for hearing impaired " and yes words and labels can have a profound effect on people, deaf and hoh people are sensitive as to how they are referred, because they feel like they're being put down and disparaged by hearing people....

Liebling, I'm sorry to hear that your husband had not so good experience at the Spa, and he did the right thing by telling them about how he felt when he view the word " hearing-impaired "...

 

[john57]

there are many different hearing impaired groups and so course that there will be some that do not know sign language. The Spa had oral interrupters but no GSL interrupters. Why it is a surprise that there is some CI users that do not use sign language?

Why there is a prejudice or discrimination against a group that does not use signs especially when I hear the statement "they really don't know what they really are"

 

[Tousi]

there are many different hearing impaired groups and so course that there will be some that do not know sign language. The Spa had oral interrupters but no GSL interrupters. Why it is a surprise that there is some CI users that do not use sign language?

Why there is a prejudice or discrimination against a group that does not use signs especially when I hear the statement "they really don't know what they really are"

If this was a private club, then I'd have no say and would be okay with that.