Most issue you're concern in political?

[Liebling:-)))]

It's nice that you don't for yourself, but how about only those people who want to pay into it actually paying into it?

Then people have a choice. If not enough people would, then maybe it's not really a democratic choice but something being forced on people.

Those link explains better. Please read thru from first to end of page "US vs Europe".

Susan George mounts a spirited defence of social Europe. | October 2006 | New Internationalist

Can you explain why should the people against social system?

I would never, never, never dream to follow American system... No Way... It's really scary...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I notice someone suggest about charity but you all work to pay the tax to government. What should they do with your taxes then? Those taxes, they are suppose to take care of people and healthy welfare.

 

[Reba]

...I said that it's your risk and choice if you don't want to join health insurance volunatarly.

Not everyone in America can get health insurance. If they don't have a job where health insurance is offered, then they can't get it. Not every company offers health insurance. People who are self-employed, small businesses, etc., don't normally have health insurance. It's not a "choice" if the insurance isn't available or not offered.

I work for interpreter agencies that do NOT offer health insurance. I'm not refusing health insurance. There is NO health insurance.

Hubby's small business has NO health insurance. He can't get insurance for his company because it's too small. He's not refusing insurance. There is NO insurance.

My daughter is self-employed. She didn't refuse insurance. She can't get health insurance because there are no health insurance companies available to her.

People choose where to work, if that's what you mean.

But people don't always turn down health insurance. Sometimes it's just not available. One can't choose something that doesn't exist.

 

[Reba]

...I would never, never, never dream to follow American system... No Way... It's really scary...

Yes, standing on your own two feet is always scarier than holding onto mommie's hand.

 

[Reba]

I notice someone suggest about charity but you all work to pay the tax to government. What should they do with your taxes then? Those taxes, they are suppose to take care of people and healthy welfare.

If taxes were lower people could afford to get their own health insurance.

What happens if the government quits supporting the people? What if it runs out of money? Who will take care of you?

...Germany's aging population, combined with high chronic unemployment, has pushed social security outlays to a level exceeding contributions...
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html#Econ

That means, Germany is paying out more for social security than it is taking in. This problem will continue because:

Population growth rate: -0.033% (2007 est.)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gm.html#People

Germany has a negative population growth. That means, not enough German babies to grow up to become workers to support the old people.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, standing on your own two feet is always scarier than holding onto mommie's hand.

wow... :jaw:

Perhaps for you but not others... Look at poor people who can´t afford to have their healthy and welfare to take care of when they are out of work or whatever. I feel really bad for them... All what they do is watch their saving gone then end live in street and beg everyone for the help before they lose their home to homeless which is a scary.

I really don´t understand what and how the government spend your taxes on war issues than take care of their people, healthy and children´s welfare.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Not everyone in America can get health insurance. If they don't have a job where health insurance is offered, then they can't get it. Not every company offers health insurance. People who are self-employed, small businesses, etc., don't normally have health insurance. It's not a "choice" if the insurance isn't available or not offered.

I work for interpreter agencies that do NOT offer health insurance. I'm not refusing health insurance. There is NO health insurance.

Hubby's small business has NO health insurance. He can't get insurance for his company because it's too small. He's not refusing insurance. There is NO insurance.

My daughter is self-employed. She didn't refuse insurance. She can't get health insurance because there are no health insurance companies available to her.

People choose where to work, if that's what you mean.

But people don't always turn down health insurance. Sometimes it's just not available. One can't choose something that doesn't exist.

Yes I know that´s why I am glad that we have social system then we are able to take care of if we are out of work or whatever.

 

[Reba]

wow... :jaw:
...I really don´t understand what and how the government spend your taxes on war issues than take care of their people, healthy and children´s welfare.

I guess Europeans have forgotten how Americans spent our tax money (and blood) on "war issues" during 1941-45. If it weren't for that, there would be no modern Euro as we know it.

At least there are some Europeans, like the Albanians and Poles, who still remember and appreciate what American war tax dollars did for their people's health and welfare. Oh, I almost forgot . . . and for their freedom.

 

[Reba]

Yes I know that´s why I am glad that we have social system then we are able to take care of if we are out of work or whatever.

Until the government pot of gold runs out.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If taxes were lower people could afford to get their own health insurance.

Do you mean about your country or my country? If we are talk about my country. No, it has nothing do with tax... They work on % of my gross wage. They have to work out % of your pay gross before take healthy insurance from your wage slip.

What happens if the government quits supporting the people? What if it runs out of money? Who will take care of you?

Exactly, that´s why we have tax system and social insurances system but I disagree few taxes system.

That means, Germany is paying out more for social security than it is taking in. This problem will continue because:

Germany has a negative population growth. That means, not enough German babies to grow up to become workers to support the old people.

Again, I already stated that we have problem with unemployment rate due tax trade and many different taxes. I do wish that they reduce taxes... I also already stated in other threads that we have low birth rate here in Germany. They are working on to support the family with money...
BBC NEWS | Europe | Dwindling Germans review policies

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Until the government pot of gold runs out.

Social system was fixed long, long, long, time ago... and stick like this....

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I guess Europeans have forgotten how Americans spent our tax money (and blood) on "war issues" during 1941-45. If it weren't for that, there would be no modern Euro as we know it.

At least there are some Europeans, like the Albanians and Poles, who still remember and appreciate what American war tax dollars did for their people's health and welfare. Oh, I almost forgot . . . and for their freedom.

wow, I wasn´t realized that you are still bitter over almost 60 years old subject.

 

[dreama]

I'm saying there are people who CAN'T work and those who WON'T work. I have no problem with my tax money going to those who can't work. That's different. I'm talking about things like welfare, etc. A charity is a charity. I don't mind being forced to give to charity, but I'd much rather be able to choose which charity to donate to.

I agree with not wanting it to go to warfare, dairy/meat subsidies, etc. I'm saying in a world where you didn't have to pick one or the other, ideally it would be better for those kinds of things to be voluntary.

My mum once asked my sister in law to lend her some money. My sister in law went mad at her and told her to get a job. Some people just don't understand how hard it is for some people to find work. Even though my brother and sister in law were both working it was left to me to 'lend' mum money to help make ends meet.

I know what you are saying about people who WONT work. I would agree that there are people who don't really bother to find work. I know a woman who gets more benifit money then I do. She claims disability allowence for a disablility she hasn't, as far as I am aware, got. She was abused in care and feels entitled to the money as compensation. We didn't exactly hit it off for several other reasons besides.

However, I can't really see a way of providing people who genuinely CANNOT work with money while taking money away from others that just can't be bothered without mistakes being made and genuine cases losing out as a result.

For example my friend takes care of his elderly mother. For a long while his mother was flatly refusing to accept any benifits as she felt accepting benifit money was beneath her dignity, even though she was entitled to them and it would have meant that my friend didn't keep getting hassled for work when he was actually taking care of her. She also liked things to be done the old fashioned way, which meant extra work. In the end he got himself a night job so he could take care of his mum during the day. So he was doing 2 jobs until his mother's health declined further and she eventually had to accept benifits. Actually he's probably saving the state quite a bit of money as she does need a lot of care. If she was in a nursing home it would cost the state a lot more then what my friend and his mother are actually getting.

 

[Reba]

Do you mean about your country or my country?

USA

... I also already stated in other threads that we have low birth rate here in Germany. They are working on to support the family with money...

You missed the point.

Fewer babies means fewer workers. Fewer workers means less revenue for the tax-supported social security system. That means, the government will run out of money for supporting the old folks.

Unless German families start popping out babies really fast, that problem will not be solved.

Unless immigrant families that move to Germany have lots of babies, then the foreign babies can support the German old folks. Immigrant families have a much higher birth rate than native German families. Of course, that solution means accepting the risk that Germany will become less "German" culturally.

 

[Reba]

Social system was fixed long, long, long, time ago... and stick like this....

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

 

[Reba]

wow, I wasn´t realized that you are still bitter over almost 60 years old subject.

I'm not bitter. I'm sad that Europeans have such a short memory span.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

USA

But USA tax system is low than Germany?

You missed the point.

Fewer babies means fewer workers. Fewer workers means less revenue for the tax-supported social security system. That means, the government will run out of money for supporting the old folks.

Unless German families start popping out babies really fast, that problem will not be solved.

Unless immigrant families that move to Germany have lots of babies, then the foreign babies can support the German old folks. Immigrant families have a much higher birth rate than native German families. Of course, that solution means accepting the risk that Germany will become less "German" culturally.

For your information, I am not racist... I really don't care where they come from as long as they work and pay German taxes that's good. They are only humans like us.

I have seen many Germans have babies here in real life and really have no problem with their decision either they want to have baby or not because it's their OWN decision. If the government is not satisfy with those Native German babies rate then reduce or cut some taxes... This is a simple...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

Whatever :roll:

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I'm not bitter. I'm sad that Europeans have such a short memory span.

Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

wow, you sound like Bush who said this during Gerhard Schröder time that's because Gerhard was against war... Bush expect something from us that's because they helped us during WWII... :roll:

I really don't have idea why you think Europeans forget those history and do repeat those history. Americans are welcome to work here in Germany and accept their rights. I find really sad that our kind and thoughtful of Americans are being ignorance and do not satisfy you enough. What do you want more then?

 

[Foxrac]

Do you also believe in the tooth fairy?

Yup, I'm so...

Look for them at night then your hair will be spiked!!!