Mom Delivers 16th Child and Thinking of More!!

[Reba]

I think they allow their children to read all the bible books instead of normal magazines with tips, etc. or book (bestseller books).

You think they don't read "normal" magazines or bestseller books. That is still very vague, so I really can't comment. I don't know what you consider "normal" magazines; in previous posts you stated that you think porno is "normal", so I can't imagine which magazines you are referring to. Also, many books make the bestseller list but that doesn't mean they are good literature. If you want to ask about specific titles that they are forbidden to read I can give a better answer.

You beleive to hide your children instead of teach your children what good or bad.

I never said hide children instead of teaching them. Teaching about good and bad is OK, but also the children must be protected from the bad, and exposed to the good.

If other parents want their children exposed to garbage there is not much I can do about it.

... Strains of "Amazing Grace" can be heard from the next room where her children practice piano and violin in one of the girls' rooms that doubles as a music room.

Is that what the children want?

What's wrong with that? Children who are raised with good music learn to love it. I loved classical and traditional folk music when I was a kid (and I was NOT raised in a Christian home) because I was exposed to good music. I know many musical families who play instruments and sing together on a regular basis. They have a great time.

All what I fulfill my children's wish because I love them too much & want them happy.

It's parents who pick the music for their children... It's sad that their children can't pick which music they like. It's parents's dream, not consider to fulfill their children's wish.

There is nothing here that I can say without sounding critical or judgemental. I will just say that not every one believes that catering to children's wishes is the best way to raise them.

Also, how do you know that their children can't pick their music? Maybe they like the music that they play.

 

[AnnyGuy]

The family may seem happy and kids may seemed not bothered by it and used to it, like they don't mind to help chores around the house or help young bro/sis, etc.

Remember, YOU CANNOT SEE HOW THEY ARE REALLY FEELING ABOUT THIS INSIDE THEIR BODY. Sure, anyone can make fake smile to make it seem they are happy. Some people just bottle it up, they aren't happy with this, but not show it and fake smile that seems real smile like "real happy" but its fake? You have no way of knowing if they are happy or not. YOU CANT SEE OR FEEL THEIR FEELINGS. Don't just judge by the pictures... I see all children are smiling and assume that they are happy not sad, upset, depressed, not happy or whatever. You don't know whats going on inside their home. You don't live there. What if some children "quiet" cry in bed at night, you can't hear them. So on...

 

[deafdyke]

I mean: the parents protect their children by remove books, magazines, Nintendo, television, or worldsite internet to replace good things like music, biographies of great Christians, good old-fashioned family fun and games etc where they never learn the kind of real world we have.

Reba, I get what Liebling is saying..... She's not attacking the types of media....there's nothing wrong with exposing kids to religious media and or teachings. It's just that very often when parents decide that secular media/culture is evil, and decide to adopt an "All Christian 24/7/365 Worldview" their kids tend to be PROFOUNDLY PROFOUNDLY sheltered/naive.
Like the types of people who would have taken Fallwell seriously about TinkyWinky being gay, or Dobson calling Spongebob Squarepants gay or Wildmon yelling about the American Girls Dolls being tools of the great underground Anti-American feminist homosexual conspiracy!

 

[deafdyke]

Just to clarify, I'm NOT demonizing religious teachings.....it's just that I think that parents should make sure that their kids are well rounded...too often kids from this type of background are too sheltered....and not really too independant or anything like that.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Exactly, deafdyke

AnnyGuy's post
The family may seem happy and kids may seemed not bothered by it and used to it, like they don't mind to help chores around the house or help young bro/sis, etc.

Remember, YOU CANNOT SEE HOW THEY ARE REALLY FEELING ABOUT THIS INSIDE THEIR BODY. Sure, anyone can make fake smile to make it seem they are happy. Some people just bottle it up, they aren't happy with this, but not show it and fake smile that seems real smile like "real happy" but its fake? You have no way of knowing if they are happy or not. YOU CANT SEE OR FEEL THEIR FEELINGS. Don't just judge by the pictures... I see all children are smiling and assume that they are happy not sad, upset, depressed, not happy or whatever. You don't know whats going on inside their home. You don't live there. What if some children "quiet" cry in bed at night, you can't hear them. So on...

Very true - that's what I say in my previous posts that the parents doesn't consider to understand their children's feeling. Consider children's feeling comes first.

Don't just judge by the pictures

Yes, it's correct - that's not just picture.
Well, at first I can't judge the picture because I didn't know them until I learn to know more about them thru websites/homepage then look back to the picture again... It speak clearly to me that it's not okay.
Yes, anyone have good or bad feeling when they read websites/stories etc first before look the picture properly.

I don't understand some of people think those pictures are important to see how wonderful they are than learn to know about them better.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You think they don't read "normal" magazines or bestseller books. That is still very vague, so I really can't comment. I don't know what you consider "normal" magazines; in previous posts you stated that you think porno is "normal", so I can't imagine which magazines you are referring to. Also, many books make the bestseller list but that doesn't mean they are good literature. If you want to ask about specific titles that they are forbidden to read I can give a better answer.

Porno? Nobody here talk about porno, not even Duggar family but you here. Duggars never mention one word about "adult" or "porno" what you claim. It's distinguist clearly what they talking about is just magazines. Oh you want to know the exactly what kind of "normal" magazines with tips I'm talking about. Well here is the list of normal magazines with tips like this.
family tips
tax tips
household tips
cookery tips
sharing tips
romantic
car tips
enviornment tips
fashion clothes tips
hairstyle tips
make up tips
budget tips
computer tips
sexually tips (birth control etc... how make a baby etc. protection from AID etc.)
holiday/outing trip tips
cartoon comic
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

not "adult" magazines what you talking about
Playboy
Playgirl
porno
volience
etc. etc. etc. etc.

I see nothing wrong to have bestseller books - depend on different bestseller what I like or not - how they write good or not. I love to read true story books.

I never said hide children instead of teaching them. Teaching about good and bad is OK, but also the children must be protected from the bad, and exposed to the good.

Yes, I aware that they teaching their children what good or bad. It doesn't mean that they are bad parents.

I'm afraid yes, we are talking about hide their children from real world that what I mean is they will not have normal life as we do - let their hair grown, wear dress all the time (no shorts, no bathsuit, etc) & socialize life like new people from other places like school, college, work, movies with friends, parties, football, etc. etc. etc. All what they do is learn bible, play music all the time, watch their siblings, doing chores as what the responsible adult doing, homeschooling, with church people etc. etc. etc.

There's a lot of attitudes and actions that we just don't want the children to imitate," Jim Bob says. When a proposal he made in the state Legislature wound up on Politically Incorrect, Jim Bob had to call a friend to tape it for him.

What is this? Of course they HIDE their children from real world.

If other parents want their children exposed to garbage there is not much I can do about it.

I think I already explain in my previous post. Why should I repeat to explain again here? All what we parents do is teach our children into good path - We have to accept the fact what kind of world we have. All what we parents do is protect their children's safety & good path etc. The children has the right to know what kind of world we have...

What's wrong with that? Children who are raised with good music learn to love it. I loved classical and traditional folk music when I was a kid (and I was NOT raised in a Christian home) because I was exposed to good music. I know many musical families who play instruments and sing together on a regular basis. They have a great time.

Really? We don't have music at home for 7 years before our children came to the world. All what we accept what my children for want to have music in the house because we CONSIDER their feeling. I would not do that to have no music for my children in my house because I can't hear it. This is a selfish of me... No Way...
Every children have different tastes to listen music... I have 2 children who have different tastes. I can't image that ALL of 16 children like the same taste... I don't beleive this since I learn thru families meetings that every siblings have different interest.
Yes I let them to choose what kind of music they like to listen. (they have music lesson at public school). Every kind of musics for children to teenagers are selling in the stores.

There is nothing here that I can say without sounding critical or judgemental. I will just say that not every one believes that catering to children's wishes is the best way to raise them.

I see nothing wrong to disagree Duggar's opinion because the Duggar famliy choose to spread their websites/homepage out to the public in the world. It look like that they weclome to our opinions, no matter what...
Do you expect everyone in the world them? Do you expect that everyone take Duggar's advice to be like them? No, I don't want to be like them but DISAGREE with them. Duggars is not just best parents in the world but every parents around the world are also good parents, too.

Also, how do you know that their children can't pick their music? Maybe they like the music that they play.

Yes, I know because I am mother.
My children are mature and understand alot about music... I read back of their music out of curiously to try to understand why they love kind of music too much. Of course we have radio in the house for my children. It would be selfish of me for not want to have radio & music in my house because I CAN'T hear. No Way, my children's feeling comes first before think about myself.

Example:
I will accept and fulfilling my children's dream wish IF they want to be baker or whatever... No matter what but THIS IS THEIR DREAM, not us parents. Of course my children are curiously what kind of job what we have... Of course we take our children to real world like to police station, insurance companies, building companies, etc. etc. etc. to let them experiment their experience themselves and see what they like... We answer their questions in positive way.

 

[deafdyke]

Another good point Lieb......they are raising their kids with a group mentality, and not really paying attention to the fact that their kids are INDIVDUALS....

Oh, and Reba it's possible to expose kids to mainstream culture and protect them from damaging elements of it at the same time! Mainstream parents do it ALL the time!

 

[Reba]

Just to clarify, I'm NOT demonizing religious teachings.....it's just that I think that parents should make sure that their kids are well rounded...too often kids from this type of background are too sheltered....and not really too independant or anything like that.

I think it is a mistake to think that "religious" people are not "well-rounded", or that their children are not well-rounded or independent. I know many, many Christian children who are very independent and become highly educated and motivated leaders. My daughter is extremely independent, takes no guff from anyone, is very creative, and is an entrepreneur of her own business. I know many "sheltered" kids who have become missionaries in foreign countries, doctors and lawyers, teachers, military leaders, business owners, skilled artisans and musicians, computer experts, and engineers. They know exactly what is going on in the world; they keep very informed about political and social issues.

 

[Reba]

...Oh, and Reba it's possible to expose kids to mainstream culture and protect them from damaging elements of it at the same time! Mainstream parents do it ALL the time!

That's what I am saying--protect them from "damaging elements". That is what all parents should do. That is exactly what Christian parents do. We expose our grandsons to "mainstream culture"--we take them bowling, to the Aquarium, to the Wildlife expo, camping, fishing, IMAX, rodeo, shopping, walks, restaurants, fireworks displays, professional baseball games, and car races. We watch TV together--old movies, Animal Planet, Discovery specials, Outdoor channel, and some cartoons. They have plenty to do; sometimes there isn't enough time to do everything we want.

 

[Reba]

Porno? Nobody here talk about porno, not even Duggar family but you here.

I was referring to your post in another thread, when you stated that there was nothing wrong with your son looking at porn magazines. That is was natural.

Well here is the list of normal magazines with tips like this.

Thank you for the list.

family tips
tax tips
household tips
cookery tips
sharing tips
romantic
car tips
enviornment tips
fashion clothes tips
hairstyle tips
make up tips
budget tips
computer tips
sexually tips (birth control etc... how make a baby etc. protection from AID etc.)
holiday/outing trip tips
cartoon comic

I guess if they said that they don't read magazines like the ones in your list, it is because they get enough information from other sources. I know that magazine subscriptions are expensive, and reading every magazine that shows up in the home takes a lot of time to read. (They really don't need to read magazines about "how make a baby"!) Maybe they just aren't interested in them. Did they say that they actually prohibit the magazines, or did they say they just don't read them? Some people (Christian and non-Christian) just aren't interested in hair and make up tips or comics. Some people think that fashion magazines encourage immodest dressing and materialism.

I see nothing wrong to have bestseller books - depend on different bestseller what I like or not - how they write good or not. I love to read true story books.

If you want to read them that is fine. If other people don't want to read them, that is also fine. There is plenty of good literature for people to read without being limited to bestsellers. Some bestsellers are "bestsellers" just because they are popular; that doesn't mean they are good literature (fiction), or accurate and well-researched (non-fiction); it just means they are satisfying the needs/interests of a large group of people, or they are well promoted/publicized. I read many books, but very few "bestsellers".

I'm afraid yes, we are talking about hide their children from real world that what I mean is they will not have normal life as we do - let their hair grown, wear dress all the time (no shorts, no bathsuit, etc) & socialize life like new people from other places like school, college, work, movies with friends, parties, football, etc. etc. etc. All what they do is learn bible, play music all the time, watch their siblings, doing chores as what the responsible adult doing, homeschooling, with church people etc. etc. etc.

I guess the bottom line is, you and I have totally different perspectives of what things are important/unimportant, good/bad, normal/abnormal. I can see your perspective because I grew up in a non-Christian home, in a worldly society, and I work daily in a secular setting with many non-Christian people. Unfortunatly, it seems that you don't have the advantage of seeing or experiencing both sides of the situation the way I have.

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There's a lot of attitudes and actions that we just don't want the children to imitate," Jim Bob says. When a proposal he made in the state Legislature wound up on Politically Incorrect, Jim Bob had to call a friend to tape it for him.

What is this? Of course they HIDE their children from real world.

Sorry, I don't understand the relationship. Just because the Duggars don't watch a late-night lefty political satire show, how does that mean their children are "hidden" from the "real world"? Not many people watched Politically Incorrect; that's why it had lousy ratings and went off the air.

...Every children have different tastes to listen music... I have 2 children who have different tastes. I can't image that ALL of 16 children like the same taste... I don't beleive this since I learn thru families meetings that every siblings have different interest.
Yes I let them to choose what kind of music they like to listen. (they have music lesson at public school). Every kind of musics for children to teenagers are selling in the stores.

I still don't understand why you get so upset about the Duggar children enjoying good music. Why is it so hard for you to understand that not everyone wants the common music that is "selling in the stores"?

Yes, I know because I am mother.

But you are not the mother of the Duggar kids, so you really can't know what they like.

I will accept and fulfilling my children's dream wish IF they want to be baker or whatever... No matter what but THIS IS THEIR DREAM, not us parents. Of course my children are curiously what kind of job what we have... Of course we take our children to real world like to police station, insurance companies, building companies, etc. to let them experiment their experience themselves and see what they like... We answer their questions in positive way.

How do you know the Duggar parents don't do that?

You are happy with your lifestyle, and the Duggars are happy with theirs. That's it.

 

[deafdyke]

I think it is a mistake to think that "religious" people are not "well-rounded", or that their children are not well-rounded or independent

I never said that they were. However there IS a subset of extreme Christians who are very....seperatist about sheltering their kids. I mean most Christian types allow their kids to have SOME parcipatation in mainstream culture, like watching cartoons or reading Harry Potter, or celebrating Halloween but they ALSO reinforce the exposure to mainstream culture by exposure to Christian stuff. The seperatist types don't really do that. For them, it's gotta be exposure to Christianity 24/7/365...

 

[Reba]

...there IS a subset of extreme Christians who are very....seperatist about sheltering their kids.

I guess that includes me. We don't read Harry Potter or celebrate Halloween.

I mean most Christian types allow their kids to have SOME parcipatation in mainstream culture, like watching cartoons or reading Harry Potter, or celebrating Halloween but they ALSO reinforce the exposure to mainstream culture by exposure to Christian stuff.

I'm not sure what "Christian types" are; maybe you mean people who say they are Christian but are not really born again?

The seperatist types don't really do that. For them, it's gotta be exposure to Christianity 24/7/365...

It depends on what you mean by "exposure to Christianity". The Bible does say:
Philippians 4:8
Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I was referring to your post in another thread, when you stated that there was nothing wrong with your son looking at porn magazines. That is was natural.

Do you really think the parents buy porno magazines for their children?

Don´t even twist my word. I said in other thread that it´s normal for the teenagers to experiment their curiously to read porno magazines like tried with smoking etc. The adults magazines are everywhere in the stores.

I guess if they said that they don't read magazines like the ones in your list, it is because they get enough information from other sources. I know that magazine subscriptions are expensive, and reading every magazine that shows up in the home takes a lot of time to read. (They really don't need to read magazines about "how make a baby"!) Maybe they just aren't interested in them. Did they say that they actually prohibit the magazines, or did they say they just don't read them? Some people (Christian and non-Christian) just aren't interested in hair and make up tips or comics. Some people think that fashion magazines encourage immodest dressing and materialism.

Don´t defense them because it´s clear to me that the MAGAZINES, book etc. are REMOVED in their household.
Not interested? Perhaps for Christians, not non-christians becasue the parents didn´t open sexually with their children. I know because my children are interesting and ask me questions about sexually - why we are different sexes etc. etc. It´s not just sexually, they question us but many things in the world/cultures... I´m learning from you for a first time that Christians are not interesting about magazines... I saw alot of people are interesting to read any magazines because of good tips/informations

I guess the bottom line is, you and I have totally different perspectives of what things are important/unimportant, good/bad, normal/abnormal. I can see your perspective because I grew up in a non-Christian home, in a worldly society, and I work daily in a secular setting with many non-Christian people. Unfortunatly, it seems that you don't have the advantage of seeing or experiencing both sides of the situation the way I have.

wow, you think Christians are prefect than non-Christians?... wow... There´re many non-christians (including me) are also good people and know their limit.

I still don't understand why you get so upset about the Duggar children enjoying good music. Why is it so hard for you to understand that not everyone wants the common music that is "selling in the stores"?

All what I say is feeling sorry for their children, that´s all. All children have same interest? It´s NEW to me... Excuse me for saying this.

But you are not the mother of the Duggar kids, so you really can't know what they like.

Because I learn to know their websites... I know alot of children at everywhere but Duggars children?...

How do you know the Duggar parents don't do that?

Thru their websites

You are happy with your lifestyle, and the Duggars are happy with theirs. That's it.

I´m not saying about our lifestyle... but talking about children in general way. All what I saying is fulfilling children´s dream wish/consider their feeling comes first before think about myself.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I never said that they were. However there IS a subset of extreme Christians who are very....seperatist about sheltering their kids. I mean most Christian types allow their kids to have SOME parcipatation in mainstream culture, like watching cartoons or reading Harry Potter, or celebrating Halloween but they ALSO reinforce the exposure to mainstream culture by exposure to Christian stuff. The seperatist types don't really do that. For them, it's gotta be exposure to Christianity 24/7/365...

Yes, I know.

 

[deafdyke]

No Reba, I'd say you're borderline. I mean you DO expose your kids/grandkids to the real world. What I meant by the extremists are the type who don't allow ANY outside influence, and who only expose their kids to specificly Christian influences. Eg no secular music but only Christianity, no secular magazines but only Christianity, nothing in the house or lifestyle that's specificly designed for Christian living and learning.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No Reba, I'd say you're borderline. I mean you DO expose your kids/grandkids to the real world. What I meant by the extremists are the type who don't allow ANY outside influence, and who only expose their kids to specificly Christian influences. Eg no secular music but only Christianity, no secular magazines but only Christianity, nothing in the house or lifestyle that's specificly designed for Christian living and learning.

It´s exactly what I mean.

Reba, you showed your children to real world, Duggar not. Got it?

 

[ScubaladyTx]

Mom Delivers 16th Child, and thinking of more!!

P.S. There's even a photo of her, her husband, and their brood!

Yes, I seen that on TV (20/20 or primetime) not too sure which one.

By the way, U wont believe that her kids behave so WELL! Im so shocked! Im talking about all of them are so well-behave! AND they ALWAYS help in no matter what! They said sure and help!

Lol, like I said ok! look at my kids! I asked my kids.. please help and clean-up.. Guess what ? they giggled and ran away from me. Boy!

 

[Peachy Lady]

My kids are good about cleaning up their bedrooms...most of time anyway. smile Last week I gave each kid chores, depending on their ages. Older one gets to do one more chore than the younger one. All of them were happy to do it because I put mark on the calendar on who did the chores. At the end of the month I pay them allowance. The size of allowance depends on how many marks they've earned that month. They love it cuz they get to decide whether to save money, or spend it at the store. While they do their chores, I help them out if they weren't sure how to do it, or if they're tired. For example: if oldest one do the laundry, the younger one was tired that day, I help her fold clothes with her, talking with her about school, etc. Checking into younger one's bedroom and make comment on how clean he cleaned up his room, talked with him about whatever is in his mind, etc. Then when everything is done, they get to play outside, watch tv, whatever.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I do the same as you, Peachylady... mark on the calendar what/how many times my children help us for the whole month then reward them on end of month - something like that - help us to rid old earth to new one for green plants, help us to put hardwoods/firewoods away to garage... something like that the alot of firewood/hardwood delivered to us - They helped my hubby to put woods into garage... Only if they are willing to... with no force from us but they are happy to do that. do garden to help my hubby... Depend on kinds of things we ask them for help...... It´s okay if they dont want... I dont have to force them to do that.

It´s different chores, I don´t have to mark on the calendar because they MUST clean/tidy their own bedrooms except mop to clean floor.
They are happy to help me voluntarily to carry the plastic boxes of foods & drinks from my car to go in house (I go to foods/drink shopping every saturdays).
They MUST put their dirty dishes & drink back to kitchen sink after finish their meals... (we have dishwasher).
They knows where to threw papers, plastic, glasses, etc. to paper bins, plastic bins & dirty bins...
They throw dirty clothes in washbin themselves in laundry room... They knows that I wash clothes on Saturday/Sunday when I see dirty in wash bin only, not check dirty clothes in their bedrooms... They has to threw it to wash bin themselves before my wash day.
They clean their football shoes.
I´m sataisfy the way what they help me...

I let them go outside, watch on tv or whatever after finish clean their bedrooms.

Sometimes they simple cook voluntarily... not much... it´s fine... I do not expect anything from them... it´s great only if they feel like to do that without get the force from us...

Well, my both sons receive money allowance from us every month... (it´s nothing do with reward)... The money allowance transfer from our bank account to their account. They learn to manage money thru money pocket... that what they can buy or not... (We are lucky that we have store law here for not allow to sell the children adult DVD, PC games, cigarettes, alcoholc, music etc. until they are 18 years old.)

Check this link... over Pocket money
http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=8481&highlight=Pocket+money

 

[Unegawahya]

My kids are good about cleaning up their bedrooms...most of time anyway. smile Last week I gave each kid chores, depending on their ages. Older one gets to do one more chore than the younger one. All of them were happy to do it because I put mark on the calendar on who did the chores. At the end of the month I pay them allowance. The size of allowance depends on how many marks they've earned that month. They love it cuz they get to decide whether to save money, or spend it at the store. While they do their chores, I help them out if they weren't sure how to do it, or if they're tired. For example: if oldest one do the laundry, the younger one was tired that day, I help her fold clothes with her, talking with her about school, etc. Checking into younger one's bedroom and make comment on how clean he cleaned up his room, talked with him about whatever is in his mind, etc. Then when everything is done, they get to play outside, watch tv, whatever.

My curious is how much do parents have to pay them in the end of the month? I think I gave them too much? I need to know exact for the age of 10 and 12. I'm spoiling mom.