Minn. Judge Rules Teen Must See Cancer Doctor

Jiro said:
which is precisely why I'm very appalled at the outcome of this case. How dare the judge and doctor dictate what is good for patient or not. I understand it's outrageous of parents to look up the medicine from internet but that's not the point.

The very core thing of this issue is the government dictating the term for patient. Can you imagine them preventing me from wanting to do alternative medicine in Korea for my cancer child? There are several ways to treat the cancer. Chemotherapy is not the only option.
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:gpost:
 
jazzy said:
It has to do about who controlling parents. Yes it is similar with CI in the future. I am against chemo because it did not save the lives of million so dont tell me that the chemo will help this boy. I am standing for parents' choice not you or us or judge. Doctors are full of BS. IHMO.
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You are free to apply that philosophy to yourself and yourself only. Just because you don't think chemo is capable of saving lives does not mean you have the right to deny anyone else an opportunity to save their life.
 
jillio said:
You are free to apply that philosophy to yourself and yourself only. Just because you don't think chemo is capable of saving lives does not mean you have the right to deny anyone else an opportunity to save their life.
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Another :gpost:
 
Jiro said:
you still haven't answered my question. what if the child died as the result of chemotherapy?
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I answered your question. Stop asking hypothetical questions to attempt to muddy the issue.
 
jillio said:
You are free to apply that philosophy to yourself and yourself only. Just because you don't think chemo is capable of saving lives does not mean you have the right to deny anyone else an opportunity to save their life.
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You continue to forget that it's all about our children, not ourselves as adults. CHILDREN. OUR CHILDREN. Just because they believe chemotherapy is 90% success rate doesn't mean they have the rights and authority to force the chemotherapy on our children as the only option in ATTEMPT to save their life.
 
Jiro said:
which is precisely why I'm very appalled at the outcome of this case. How dare the judge and doctor dictate what is good for patient or not. I understand it's outrageous of parents to look up the medicine from internet but that's not the point.

The very core thing of this issue is the government dictating the term for patient. Can you imagine them preventing me from wanting to do alternative medicine in Korea for my cancer child? There are several ways to treat the cancer. Chemotherapy is not the only option.
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You don't think a 90% chance of survival is good for the patient?

If you want to risk your child's life, you are subject to the same laws of medical neglect as everyone else in this country is. If you make the choice to put your belief ahead of the life of your child, you will no doubt run into difficulties with those that are responsible for protecting those that cannot protect themselves.
 
jillio said:
You don't think a 90% chance of survival is good for the patient?

If you want to risk your child's life, you are subject to the same laws of medical neglect as everyone else in this country is. If you make the choice to put your belief ahead of the life of your child, you will no doubt run into difficulties with those that are responsible for protecting those that cannot protect themselves.
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I'm sorry but who are you to dictate what's good for my child? Are you telling me that chemotherapy is the ONLY option?
 
Jiro said:
where did you answer my question?
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Throughout this thread. In fact, I have just answered it in the above post. Your quesion is hypothetical. This is not a hypothetical situation. This is a real life situation. Nothing hypothetical about it. The attempt to bring in hyporthetical questions is nothing more than an attempt to muddy the issue.
 
Jiro said:
You continue to forget that it's all about our children, not ourselves as adults. CHILDREN. OUR CHILDREN. Just because they believe chemotherapy is 90% success rate doesn't mean they have the rights and authority to force the chemotherapy on our children as the only option in ATTEMPT to save their life.
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When it has been shown to be the option that gives this child a chance at survival, it is. Herbs have already been tried. That is why the cancer is advancing. They did not work. His life is in danger. Chemo is the only option at this point to stop the growth.

OUR CHILDREN? When did you become a parent?
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but who are you to dictate what's good for my child? Are you telling me that chemotherapy is the ONLY option?
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I don't dictate it. The laws of the U.S. protect children from neglectful and abusive parents. And again with the hypothetical questions. Only option for what, in which case, and for which disease process? Which stage of cancer? Which patient?

That is why this case has been decided on an individual basis, and pertains to this child only.
 
jillio said:
Throughout this thread. In fact, I have just answered it in the above post. Your quesion is hypothetical. This is not a hypothetical situation. This is a real life situation. Nothing hypothetical about it. The attempt to bring in hyporthetical questions is nothing more than an attempt to muddy the issue.
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I'm sorry but I have not found any of your post that answered my question. This is not a muddy, hypothetical question. It's a very valid question because the child COULD die as the result of chemotherapy. See Naisho's post. His relative died as the result of chemotherapy - which was assured by doctors due to its high success rate.

Now Jillio - what would happen if the child die as the result of chemotherapy as ordered by judge?
 
jillio said:
I don't dictate it. The laws of the U.S. protect children from neglectful and abusive parents.
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the laws of the U.S. doesn't allow the judge to dictate the medical procedure for children. The laws of the U.S. doesn't allow the judge to override the parents' informed consent.
 
Jiro said:
I'm sorry but I have not found any of your post that answered my question. This is not a muddy, hypothetical question. It's a very valid question because the child COULD die as the result of chemotherapy. See Naisho's post. His relative died as the result of chemotherapy - which was assured by doctors due to its high success rate.

Now Jillio - what would happen if the child die as the result of chemotherapy as ordered by judge?
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Naisho's relative has absoultely nothing to do with this case. You have no idea what the child's risk of dying from chemotherapy might be, but I can assure you that it is less than the risk that he will die from the cancer if it is left untreated.
 
jillio said:
That is why this case has been decided on an individual basis, and pertains to this child only.
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did you just admit that the outcome of this case can affect us on a national level in your post #308? with this legal precedent, any judge and doctor in any state can use this precedent to override the parents' informed consent.
 
jillio said:
Naisho's relative has absoultely nothing to do with this case. You have no idea what the child's risk of dying from chemotherapy might be, but I can assure you that it is less than the risk that he will die from the cancer if it is left untreated.
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you have no idea what was being said between doctors, parents, judges, and Daniel Hauser either. I believe the parents' informed consent has been clearly and blatantly violated.

THE STATE HAS BROKEN THE LAW (allegedly).
 
Jiro said:
the laws of the U.S. doesn't allow the judge to dictate the medical procedure for children. The laws of the U.S. doesn't allow the judge to override the parents' informed consent.
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They allow the judge to protect the child from parents who are risking his life through neglect, and to make that child a ward of the state in order that someone more competent to make these decisions is in charge. If that includes ordering medical treatment, then so be it. Medical treatment is ordered by the courts every day of every week of every month. It is done when those who are refusing treatment are determined not to be in a state of mind supportive of logical and rational decision making.
 
Jiro said:
you have no idea what was being said between doctors, parents, judges, and Daniel Hauser either. I believe the parents' informed consent has been clearly and blatantly violated.

THE STATE HAS BROKEN THE LAW (allegedly).
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When you have a better understanding of what is required for informed consent, you will have a better understanding of the issues.

The State has broken no laws. They have upheld the laws protecting children from abusive and neglectful parents.
 
jillio said:
When you have a better understanding of what is required for informed consent, you will have a better understanding of the issues.

The State has broken no laws. They have upheld the laws protecting children from abusive and neglectful parents.
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oh? so you do know what was being said between parents and the doctors?
 
again - what would happen if the child die as the result of chemotherapy as ordered by judge?
 
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