Manualism vs. Oralism Research

shel90 said:
I think oralist are those who do not sign at all.

IMO, For someone who has oral skills but use sign language should be called multilingual.
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I like this term better! :lol:
 
shel90 said:
But you are an oralist..:confused: You support the oralism philosophy.
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I think an oralist would be someone who believes that the oral philosophy is the ONLY appropriate choice for ANY child with a hearing loss. THey would advocate it for all children and adults, to the exclusion of all else.
 
There is a good definition / explaination here that makes sense to me.


an excerpt:
Manualism and oralism are two opposing philosophies regarding the education of deaf people. Manualism and oralism were the products of two very different reform eras in American history, the time period before the Civil War and the time period after the Civil War. [1] Deafness, especially in America, is considered to be a cultural construction. As a result which means that the society’s view of deafness changes across time due to the events that have taken place during particular time periods
Source: Manualism and oralism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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faire_jour said:
I think an oralist would be someone who believes that the oral philosophy is the ONLY appropriate choice for ANY child with a hearing loss. THey would advocate it for all children and adults, to the exclusion of all else.
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Read the definition that Botts has given...

o⋅ral⋅ist
  /ˈɔrəlɪst, ˈoʊr-/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [awr-uh-list, ohr-]

–noun
1. an advocate of oralism.
2. a deaf person who communicates through lipreading and speech.
–adjective
3. of or pertaining to oralism.
 
I haven't had a chance to comment here for a bit due to a wedding trip, but I am thrilled to see the immense support and offer of resources and personal accounts. I apologize if this thread brought up negative feelings between advocates of varying methods. That was not my intention. To answer some questions about me so it's easier to understand where I'm coming from, yes, I'm studying to be a teacher for the Deaf. I started in January at Hunter College in NYC. The class that this research paper is for is called Education of Students who are Deaf and Hard of Hearing. The paper is meant to be an unbiased study of both Manualism and Oralism, advantages and disadvantages. I want you all to know that these responses have been amazingly helpful and I appreciate every offer. Thank you. If anyone is interested in seeing the paper, I will be happy to share it with you.

Also, shel - may I use a quote from one of your postings? I don't have to put your name if you do not wish it.
This: the oralist philosophy in deaf education puts too many deaf children at a disadvantage over their hearing peers due to the lack of full access to language and information at the educational setting. Even if the child can speak clearly, there is still the issue of receptive language and that's where ASL becomes vital.

Again, thank you to everyone!
 
pagedancer said:
I haven't had a chance to comment here for a bit due to a wedding trip, but I am thrilled to see the immense support and offer of resources and personal accounts. I apologize if this thread brought up negative feelings between advocates of varying methods. That was not my intention. To answer some questions about me so it's easier to understand where I'm coming from, yes, I'm studying to be a teacher for the Deaf. I started in January at Hunter College in NYC. The class that this research paper is for is called Education of Students who are Deaf and Hard of Hearing. The paper is meant to be an unbiased study of both Manualism and Oralism, advantages and disadvantages. I want you all to know that these responses have been amazingly helpful and I appreciate every offer. Thank you. If anyone is interested in seeing the paper, I will be happy to share it with you.

Also, shel - may I use a quote from one of your postings? I don't have to put your name if you do not wish it.
This: the oralist philosophy in deaf education puts too many deaf children at a disadvantage over their hearing peers due to the lack of full access to language and information at the educational setting. Even if the child can speak clearly, there is still the issue of receptive language and that's where ASL becomes vital.

Again, thank you to everyone!
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I have a question for you as an upcomming teacher of deaf kids. I am curious to know what are the thoughts and opinions in the teaching circles regarding bilingual bicultural approach to educating deaf kids?

Thanks
 
rockdrummer said:
I have a question for you as an upcomming teacher of deaf kids. I am curious to know what are the thoughts and opinions in the teaching circles regarding bilingual bicultural approach to educating deaf kids?

Thanks
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It is the only way to go if you want to educate deaf children in a manner that will put them on par, academically, with their hearing peers.
 
jillio said:
It is the only way to go if you want to educate deaf children in a manner that will put them on par, academically, with their hearing peers.
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I understand your view. I just am wondering if it is a common one amongst the teaching community. The reason I ask is because when I brought up bilingual bicultural education at a meeting with my son's teachers, they had no clue what I was talking about.
 
rockdrummer said:
I understand your view. I just am wondering if it is a common one amongst the teaching community. The reason I ask is because when I brought up bilingual bicultural education at a meeting with my son's teachers, they had no clue what I was talking about.
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Are your son's teachers certified in Deaf education? If they are certified in regular or special education only then they wouldnt know anything about it.
 
jillio said:
It is the only way to go if you want to educate deaf children in a manner that will put them on par, academically, with their hearing peers.
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Yep..
 
pagedancer said:
I haven't had a chance to comment here for a bit due to a wedding trip, but I am thrilled to see the immense support and offer of resources and personal accounts. I apologize if this thread brought up negative feelings between advocates of varying methods. That was not my intention. To answer some questions about me so it's easier to understand where I'm coming from, yes, I'm studying to be a teacher for the Deaf. I started in January at Hunter College in NYC. The class that this research paper is for is called Education of Students who are Deaf and Hard of Hearing. The paper is meant to be an unbiased study of both Manualism and Oralism, advantages and disadvantages. I want you all to know that these responses have been amazingly helpful and I appreciate every offer. Thank you. If anyone is interested in seeing the paper, I will be happy to share it with you.

Also, shel - may I use a quote from one of your postings? I don't have to put your name if you do not wish it.
This: the oralist philosophy in deaf education puts too many deaf children at a disadvantage over their hearing peers due to the lack of full access to language and information at the educational setting. Even if the child can speak clearly, there is still the issue of receptive language and that's where ASL becomes vital.

Again, thank you to everyone!
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Sure, go ahead. :)
 
rockdrummer said:
I understand your view. I just am wondering if it is a common one amongst the teaching community. The reason I ask is because when I brought up bilingual bicultural education at a meeting with my son's teachers, they had no clue what I was talking about.
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It is a commonly held perspective among TOD's and those who have specific training in the education and learning styles of deaf kids. Generalized special ed teachers don't really have much education in the issues, or the techniques specific to deaf students. Same with regular classroom teachers.
 
jillio said:
It is a commonly held perspective among TOD's and those who have specific training in the education and learning styles of deaf kids. Generalized special ed teachers don't really have much education in the issues, or the techniques specific to deaf students. Same with regular classroom teachers.
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Remember my experiences in my undergrad program for special ed regarding to deaf education. How it was only covered in ONE lecture in the whole two years in the program? Also, their solution to teacing deaf children was just to make sure the lighting was good, put the kids at the front of the classroom, and make sure they can see our faces. I couldnt believe it.
 
shel90 said:
Remember my experiences in my undergrad program for special ed regarding to deaf education. How it was only covered in ONE lecture in the whole two years in the program? Also, their solution to teacing deaf children was just to make sure the lighting was good, put the kids at the front of the classroom, and make sure they can see our faces. I couldnt believe it.
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I know. I have looked at the curriculum for special ed at several universities. It is the same at all I have checked. And yet, the mainstream is turning over a deaf child's education to people who have no training in deaf education. It is a frightening situation when people are convinced that these special ed teachers have any expertise at all in deaf ed.
 
Tom Bertling's books. "A child sacrificed to Deaf Culture" is his account of his own personal experiences and an interesting and different perspective then is usually presented.
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FYI, Bertling used to post at DumbNotes, and he was a sad bitter man.
I have never read the book.........BUT a) He was postlingally dhh, claiming to "speak" for the entire dhh population. b) his story took place WAY before Deaf ed was really reformed (in the old days deaf schools were basicly "basic ed with a heavy dose of vocational training.)
He thinks that oral-only and mainstreaming is the best. He's so bitter about going deaf that's caused him to habor a great deal of resentment against ASL and Deaf schools.

Generalized special ed teachers don't really have much education in the issues, or the techniques specific to deaf students. Same with regular classroom teachers.
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Amen if a kid doesn't respond well to minimal accomndations, they get lumped in with the "Ummmm who's President So-and So?" kids who're LEGION in special ed!
the oralist philosophy in deaf education puts too many deaf children at a disadvantage over their hearing peers due to the lack of full access to language and information at the educational setting. Even if the child can speak clearly, there is still the issue of receptive language and that's where ASL becomes vital.
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Not to mention that if a dhh kid has a "deaf voice", they encounter TONS of prejudice from dumbasses who think they're retarded! Oral only skills do not equalize most dhh (b/c ASL benifits hoh kids TOO) kids at ALL!
 
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