Lip Reading

stephaniep21 said:
In my survey of the exceptional child education class, there was a chapter about effectively teaching deaf/hoh students. Each group had to present on a chapter and, unfortunately I was not in the group for deaf/hoh because I would have corrected many of the misconceptions they had. One of the major things that stuck out to me was that the group said: The student should have a sign language interpreter if absolutely necessary, but otherwise they can just read lips because interpreters are distracting to everyone else. They said "just read lips" so nonchalantly like it's an easy thing to do. I'm hearing and trying to read lips along with improving my ASL because I want to know as much as I can about how deaf people engage with the world. Lip reading is difficult and exhausting to have to do all the time and many hearing people think it's just natural for deaf people to read lips and they shouldn't need ASL. Thoughts on this?
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everyone right. hearie need be deaf one week and see how feel. wow i not believe they say deaf people need read lip instead use ASL!!!!!! they not know anything about deaf. IT NOT EASY READ LIP, I CANT UNDERSTAND READ LIP MYSELF. ASL natural for deaf people use. if i try read lip, then i miss lot information. that why i write paper when talk hearing people.
 
I can read lips only if people are willing to talk SLOW... if talk fast I wud say sorry I can't understand you then walk away ;) sometimes they will write down what they want.. that applies to my work and one customer pissed me off.. she said oh sorry that you are deaf.. god she made me want to punch her glad i walked away so fast lol
 
I can't lipread at all, unless I can hear what the person is saying while lipreading them. I need both in order to hear & lipread. Go figure.
 
The CHS Speechreading lessons were in English. Not sure if one tried a language unspoken-say French if applicable?
An interesting note re DEAF/Speechreading. I became bilateral DEAF on December 20, 2006 which of course remains to this day. While waiting for the process to complete for Cochlear Implant - February to June 2007. I took another Speechreading class CHS/Toronto which showed a decrease of over 20% in test score from prior ones.. The teacher mentioned-not surprised at my results. More difficult.
 
Totally wrong not all deafies lipread. I'm HOH/late-deafness. Even before i was diagnosed with having a profound hearing problem I was always lipreading for me it came naturally to watch people's lips while they spoke. When I really can't hear someone because there at a distance from me. the noise gets distracting and its hard to lipread so i have to ask them to move closer. I try my best to lipread and have to fingerspell around deaf people. I lip-read all the time it makes my life easier.
 
Im a good lip-reader b/c I can hear voices. I usually guess what they say and Im right most of time. I hate when ppl wait for me not to look and they talk. :aw: They see my hearin aid, ya know!
 
lanapoo said:
How old is the book?

Like the previous poster mentioned... It's in violation of ADA. We have the right to any kind of accommodations and assuming that we can lip read since it comes "naturally." Guess what? It doesn't! I know a lot of deaf people who can't even read lips.
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That depends on who you're asking LOL. My brother growing up had an ear infection (has had all his life the doctors have had to do surgery numerous times to cut it out). He naturally learned to read lips. In fact, we had to take him to a specialist to figure it out. Instead of hear us, he would read our lips and half the time he didn't even know he was doing it LOL. In lesser cases, I would say it wasn't possible, but he did it.
 
Bottesini said:
Yes they do. And in real life, I have been living with it for over 50 years.

This happens. My one friend from middle/high school years, I think was primarily my friend because of my handicaps. She wanted to be a special ed teacher, and she did become a teacher of autistic students.

Regardless of why she was my friend, she was in it for the long haul and we stayed in contact until she died of cancer a couple of years ago.

People who really perservere and stay the course, can of course eventually be trusted and even friends.
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Living with that mentality may scare away potential "long haul" friends. It may drop their inspiration. If you know what I mean. When your friend started she was just another girl who was creating her own fads (instead of listening to those around her) that's where long hauls come from. If they see that as soon as they enter the door though, there could be less around after a while.
 
Lip reading is learned and is not 100%. Many hearing folks lip read a little with out realizing it. Most people can understand someone speaking (without voice) "I love you". I got good at it because my hearing loss was slow enough that I could augment the little hearing I had left with speech reading. Speech therapy actually helped me to lip read better.
 
This bilateral DEAF person agrees: Bottesini- strikes again.
Cheers and Prof SKY sends Bott and her herd of hounds a meow.
 
society's_child said:
Botts strikes again! :giggle:
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:wave:
society's_child said:
THIS hearing person thinks you're okay. :)
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Thanks you. :D
drphil said:
This bilateral DEAF person agrees: Bottesini- strikes again.
Cheers and Prof SKY sends Bott and her herd of hounds a meow.
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Good morning drphil. You were supposed to say I am ok with the old DEAF guy too!
society's_child said:
that could be Haiku. :giggle:
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And you know what, he does have an interesting turn of the pen at times. :)
 
Bottesini said:
:lol: Only the deaf people.

The hearing tend not so much!
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Actually, although sometimes you can seem a bit hasty to me, this hearing person has enjoyed watching the way you answer questions.

I have a question about lip reading, and since Lip reading is the title of this thread, i thought I'd ask it here.

I have a knack for word puzzles. It's not that I am smarter than people who don't, it's just that's something I have a knack for- especially filling in the blanks type word puzzles.

Is it possible that at least some people who are better at lip reading (the original Sue Thomas, for instance) just have a knack for filling in the blanks? It's not they lip read better, it's that they have a knack for filling in missing content?

And that would not be something where lots of training would help, any more than any amount of training could turn me into a basketball player, a knitter, or a math whiz.
 
Grayma said:
Actually, although sometimes you can seem a bit hasty to me, this hearing person has enjoyed watching the way you answer questions.

I have a question about lip reading, and since Lip reading is the title of this thread, i thought I'd ask it here.

I have a knack for word puzzles. It's not that I am smarter than people who don't, it's just that's something I have a knack for- especially filling in the blanks type word puzzles.

Is it possible that at least some people who are better at lip reading (the original Sue Thomas, for instance) just have a knack for filling in the blanks? It's not they lip read better, it's that they have a knack for filling in missing content?

And that would not be something where lots of training would help, any more than any amount of training could turn me into a basketball player, a knitter, or a math whiz.
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I wonder about this sometimes. At the risk of sounding like I'm bragging, I don't meet that many deaf people, but the more I meet, the more I realize that I'm better than the average lipreader. I'm also good at "fill in the blank" puzzles.
 
I always thought I was pretty darn good at lipreading because if someone covers their lips or I can't see their lips, I just can't make out what they are saying, even with my HA cranked up. However, since my hearing is declining (am now borderline profoundly deaf they say), I realize that even with lips in eyesight, I don't do it that well. But it does help me some, HA helps me still some. Time to take another Sign language course....
 
I'm doing a lip-reading course at the moment. I'm told that only about 25-30% of English sounds are visible on the lips. It's really is about how skilful you are at filling in the gaps. The more you practice and learn, the better you get at filling in the gaps. While some people may have an innate talent for it, lip-reading is something you can practice and improve at.
 
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