Linguistic/Cultural Minority or part of disabled rights movement

[jillio]

I am from Canada

I am involved in the gay rights, feminism, and disability rights movements over here. I work with several organizations to facilitate change on a national, provincial, and local level. I have done lots of media (google Jen Blaser and you should be able to find some of my queer rights stuff) I have served on advisory boards and focus groups for many organizations, I have sat on panels discussion youth rights within schools and anti-oppression education. I have written many essays on anti-oppression education, one of which was published. I was a member of the accessibility committee for my former town, and I plan to get involved in similar committees in Toronto if possible.


I have also spent many many hours researching and then fighting for my clients in community, and school situations.

You go girl!

 

[JennyB]

You go girl!

haha thanks! To say I am over extended is really an understatment!

 

[jillio]

haha thanks! To say I am over extended is really an understatment!

No doubt! Be sure to take some time for yourself along the way.

 

[Grummer]

You are totally off base on this one Grummer.

Originally Posted by Grummer
'selling yourself short' is typical remark, it is a syptom from a lack of conscientisation, in other words the way the dominant ideas and values are bombarded on everyone, raises the power for those who believe in it, and at same entraps , weaken those in position whom do not believe in this 'ideals' but are still compelled to conform, and thus says the right things, do the right things to promote the ideals of those who actually oppresses them. Jillio's comment provides a hint while its is not explicit -there is a reason behind this, stark expose to the reality of facts and experience being mismatched can be quite crude, even disturbing, it would create bewilderment as confusion stinks in. I do know what im saying , and yet I wil refuse to explain further, because it is probably more responsible to 'holdback' and let the 'rude awakening' to occur more gently in so doing, you would have more grip to preserve your sanity.

well, sorry i dont think so. I was describing exactly what effects Ideology have on people, which is a manifestion of ideas, beliefs that creates social cement (in other extreme occassions - it can act as a social solvent as well- creating war)

I may have used the wrong words for 'holding back' a bit, it should be more like let you discover it for yourself overtime at your paces, for your experiences are going to be different to mine as well as the way we 'think' about what we observe. is not same as denying knowledge, so hence the pace for all dimensions in socal theory are going to be individually paced as does taking action or even being more assertive about what you really are, but I stressed in the beginning ideology is much more powerful than we realise, it does to a large extend 'decides' what we are lead to believe in, and how we justify what we believe in.

How far woud some go to acknowledge oppressions of the Deafs have come a fair way (while still a long way to go - for sure), and yet I doubt many HOH people have stopped and think how much progress was really made for the politics to assert for hard of Hearing people? The fundings have all but been funnelled down to hearing aids specialists, specialised school teachers, etc, while wheres the funds for plans that could be shaped for empowering hoh people? the 'forgotten people' in the middle of two worlds!!

blah i think i said enough and its probably a waste of time posting this.
im just tossing away a 2 cents coin for nothing here.

 

[lovezebras]

then stop talking and posting about topics that don't totally apply to the conversation. Not to mention I don't know how many hoh people you know, but many i KNOW advocate for deaf/hoh and care about how far we've come and how much we have achieved so speak for yourself not others.

 

[Grummer]

then stop talking and posting about topics that don't totally apply to the conversation. Not to mention I don't know how many hoh people you know, but many i KNOW advocate for deaf/hoh and care about how far we've come and how much we have achieved so speak for yourself not others.

No, i wont stop, I contibute all relevent post to any threads, it jsut happens you to disgree strongly and are being defensive and as I said Probably a waste of time, because I know your types happens to be quite narrow minded. Just becuase only you dont like it, doesnt mean you have a right to tell me to stop talking

You speak for yourself too, oh really do you Really know advocate , so far it doesnt sound like it.

and you want to be a speech pathologist this is worse then deafie wanting to be audiologist:madfawk:

 

[JennyB]

No, i wont stop, I contibute all relevent post to any threads, it jsut happens you to disgree strongly and are being defensive and as I said Probably a waste of time, because I know your types happens to be quite narrow minded. Just becuase only you dont like it, doesnt mean you have a right to tell me to stop talking

You speak for yourself too, oh really do you Really know advocate , so far it doesnt sound like it.

and you want to be a speech pathologist this is worse then deafie wanting to be audiologist:madfawk:

Hmm...well...ummm...wow...

So while we are on the topic of oppression, isn't it kind of oppressive for you to say that deaf people shouldn't be audiologists, or an HOH person should be an SLP?

I am Deaf and I am interesting in a masters of audiology. I haven't decided yet but the last thing that would be a deciding factor would be my hearing status. I have had D/deaf/HOH audiologists before and they did just fine.

I think you should re-think one of your posts because they are contradictory. Either you are going to impose oppressive values, or you are going to act against oppression. You can't have it both ways.

 

[lovezebras]

FIRST! I am very OPEN minded thank you very much. Second, you are right I do disagree with you..and what is my type supposed to mean!? You know me, have I met you?! Tell me about myself then! and i am not the only one who doesn't like it..And about the advocating I do alot in school and for my friends, etc. So do NOT tell me how I am..and my bieng an SLP has nothing to do with you or anyone else, if people doubt me than go the F ahead and doubt me..it's people like you who make me just want to work harder and achieve my dreams just to prove your ignorance WRONG!

 

[Bottesini]

FIRST! I am very OPEN minded thank you very much. Second, you are right I do disagree with you..and what is my type supposed to mean!? You know me, have I met you?! Tell me about myself then! and i am not the only one who doesn't like it..And about the advocating I do alot in school and for my friends, etc. So do NOT tell me how I am..and my bieng an SLP has nothing to do with you or anyone else, if people doubt me than go the F ahead and doubt me..it's people like you who make me just want to work harder and achieve my dreams just to prove your ignorance WRONG!

He is the voice of 39 years experience of being deaf. Me 51 years. But if he motivates you to work hard, that must be good. I think your type is someone who found out a mild hearing loss and found a new cause.

 

[lovezebras]

So you are saying just because you two have been deafer, longer, that means whatever you say goes?... If you want to play the "i've been deafer longer" card I'm pretty sure their are plenty of people here who are more deaf than you but for a less time..does that mean their opinion doesn't matter either?

 

[JennyB]

...I just re-read my last post, I am exhausted and never edited it. Please don't judge me! LOL

 

[Bottesini]

So you are saying just because you two have been deafer, longer, that means whatever you say goes?... If you want to play the "i've been deafer longer" card I'm pretty sure their are plenty of people here who are more deaf than you but for a less time..does that mean their opinion doesn't matter either?

No I am saying you are a stupid little bully.

 

[jamielee]

Re:

Hey ALL!

I wanted to thank you all for the great input and insite at least on the first few posts until the argument busted out on the last page. Oh well it happens, part of life on the forums.
Thanks so much for sharing you have helped me gain some more insite in to your views on culture and disability.


The other thing I wanted to know is what does it mean to you to be part of the movement you identify with? How are you involved or what are your thoughts on the direction that movement is going?

I am using a social model of disability in my paper which from their point of view means that people have impairments and they are disabled by society. Where as the medical model veiws people as having disabilities that need fixing.
Cheers and thanks to those who gave their imput!

Jamie

 

[jillio]

Hey ALL!

I wanted to thank you all for the great input and insite at least on the first few posts until the argument busted out on the last page. Oh well it happens, part of life on the forums.
Thanks so much for sharing you have helped me gain some more insite in to your views on culture and disability.
I am using a social model of disability in my paper which from their point of view means that people have impairments and they are disabled by society. Where as the medical model veiws people as having disabilities that need fixing.
Cheers and thanks to those who gave their imput!

Jamie

Glad to see that you chose to use the social model. It is by far, the most accurate and far reaching theory to apply.

 

[jamielee]

Thank you Jillio,
I have just learned about the social model this summer in my Disabilities studies program, I was very excited to learn about it and use it in my paper. It can be hard to change ones thinking that way but it does make a lot of sense and anyone who doesnt know about it should look it up, people can learn a lot from it!

 

[jillio]

Thank you Jillio,
I have just learned about the social model this summer in my Disabilities studies program, I was very excited to learn about it and use it in my paper. It can be hard to change ones thinking that way but it does make a lot of sense and anyone who doesnt know about it should look it up, people can learn a lot from it!

I agree. It is a very comprehensive model, and one that all should be familiar with. It is much more humanistic and empowering than the medical model.

Good luck with that paper. I'm sure you will do an outstanding job!

 

[Grummer]

Hey ALL!

I wanted to thank you all for the great input and insite at least on the first few posts until the argument busted out on the last page. Oh well it happens, part of life on the forums.
Thanks so much for sharing you have helped me gain some more insite in to your views on culture and disability.

The other thing I wanted to know is what does it mean to you to be part of the movement you identify with? How are you involved or what are your thoughts on the direction that movement is going?

I am using a social model of disability in my paper which from their point of view means that people have impairments and they are disabled by society. Where as the medical model veiws people as having disabilities that need fixing.
Cheers and thanks to those who gave their imput!

Jamie

I am also aligning with the Social Model of disability, while which is even more comprehensive the the Cultural model !! bloody deafies shut out alo of other 'more hearing' deafs, politics of Deafness has gotten dirty, so far i have seen MOST of those 'successful' deafies working in such feilds are NOT qualified, (said to be much cheaper for govts to hire co-ordinators, community relations officers, (big words LOL) than hiring actual qualified social workers), it concerns me as it does NOT empower d/Deaf people at all, but it simply 'act in liaison' but in a very worse possible way (and cheapest).

Those aligning with audism in such that it includes improving speech, and hearing for d/Deaf peolpe are indeed part of the old assimilation (new techniques /newer technology does not matter - its principles that is still remains as' the hearing way is superme" this is the same as "the abled-bodied's way of deciding what is best for disabled people, this means not listening to what disabled/deaf people has to say on the matter/ and what are ther wishes to alter perspectives on impairments, as does the configuration of society.

J amielee, without doubt we have a long way to go before the larger Deaf/ deaf/hard of hearing community actually understands the implications of exactly what Social model means, and hate to say many are defensive and thinks its too radical but too bad, wheelchair users were the same at the beginning , while on other hand they absorbed it more easily because of 'wheel chair access' is a more concrete manifestion of the Social Model's objectives.

Id is indeed More humanistic than the cultural model, but while Coclear implants are spawning quite fast, it changes the metaphysical and metapolitical landscape of the Deaf world...so it would happen to a hell of a lot more sense to start thinking seriously about the Social Model of disabilty.

 

[JennyB]

No I am saying you are a stupid little bully.

Wow, who is the mature one now? I think if you are going to be speaking of your years of experience, and you wish to be taken seriously, you need to take a step back and think before you post such childish remarks.

You're 51 ( I think that is what you said earlier), please start acting your age if you wish to be treated with the respect you deserve.

 

[Bottesini]

Wow, who is the mature one now? I think if you are going to be speaking of your years of experience, and you wish to be taken seriously, you need to take a step back and think before you post such childish remarks.

You're 51 ( I think that is what you said earlier), please start acting your age if you wish to be treated with the respect you deserve.

That was not my point. I was saying exactly what I felt was her treatment of Grummer.

She was being very personal and rude.

I have no problem with whatever you want to think of me.

 

[jillio]

I am also aligning with the Social Model of disability, while which is even more comprehensive the the Cultural model !! bloody deafies shut out alo of other 'more hearing' deafs, politics of Deafness has gotten dirty, so far i have seen MOST of those 'successful' deafies working in such feilds are NOT qualified, (said to be much cheaper for govts to hire co-ordinators, community relations officers, (big words LOL) than hiring actual qualified social workers), it concerns me as it does NOT empower d/Deaf people at all, but it simply 'act in liaison' but in a very worse possible way (and cheapest).

Those aligning with audism in such that it includes improving speech, and hearing for d/Deaf peolpe are indeed part of the old assimilation (new techniques /newer technology does not matter - its principles that is still remains as' the hearing way is superme" this is the same as "the abled-bodied's way of deciding what is best for disabled people, this means not listening to what disabled/deaf people has to say on the matter/ and what are ther wishes to alter perspectives on impairments, as does the configuration of society.

J amielee, without doubt we have a long way to go before the larger Deaf/ deaf/hard of hearing community actually understands the implications of exactly what Social model means, and hate to say many are defensive and thinks its too radical but too bad, wheelchair users were the same at the beginning , while on other hand they absorbed it more easily because of 'wheel chair access' is a more concrete manifestion of the Social Model's objectives.

Id is indeed More humanistic than the cultural model, but while Coclear implants are spawning quite fast, it changes the metaphysical and metapolitical landscape of the Deaf world...so it would happen to a hell of a lot more sense to start thinking seriously about the Social Model of disabilty.

Self advocacy and empowerment are two of the key features of the Social Model. Therefore, telling a person with a hearing loss not to "sell themselves short" relates right back to self advocacy and empowerment. It is in line with the Social Model, not in opposition to it.