Legal Showdown - Arizona's Immigration Law

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kokonut said:
I'm full-blooded Irish American born citizen here. What does that mean? Not much except that I am a U.S. citizen born here. The same goes for my parents grandparents, great, great grandparents, great, great...well, you get the picture.

*kicks a stone*
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do you have anything to contribute to this thread other than unimportant trivia like your genealogy?
 
Reba said:
You can talk about it yes but you have no authority to do anything about it. Only the people in Arizona can make that decision. Their representatives will pay attention only to letters from their own state's constituents.
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yes. Like I said - I call for Arizona people to act on it.
 
kokonut said:
Reba, am wondering. Ever took law or something similar?
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I have a BS in Political Science which included a few courses in business law, world courts and organizations, basic criminology, and other related topics but that's all. In the Naval Reserve, I took courses in courts martial and NJPs. I've never gone to law school, if that's what you mean. :giggle:
 
Reba said:
I have a BS in Political Science which included a few courses in business law, world courts and organizations, basic criminology, and other related topics but that's all. In the Naval Reserve, I took courses in courts martial and NJPs. I've never gone to law school, if that's what you mean. :giggle:
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Ah ha!! I knew it! You're welcomed in my camp anytime. Ever consider wanting to work as a JAG for the Navy?

Oh, wait. First I don't believe you. Second, I need proof. Thirdly, you never went to the Navy.

:)
 
Steinhauer said:
You of course mean the 70% of Arizonan's that voted in FAVOR of this bill?
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for now. once they see the injustice and illegality of it.... tsk.
 
Jiro said:
why thank you but unfortunately I cannot because I'm not American-born but my future kid will be. I will make sure my kid will not conveniently use a lame excuse like "I am part-Korean" :lol:
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Why not just say "I am an American?"

That was my whole point in the other thread - about being a Son of Liberty. Your an American. You are not "part-Korean" you are 100% American.

To embrace America as your own and become a part of it means leaving the "old world" behind.
 
Steinhauer said:
Why not just say "I am an American?"

That was my whole point in the other thread - about being a Son of Liberty. Your an American. You are not "part-Korean" you are 100% American.

To embrace America as your own and become a part of it means leaving the "old world" behind.
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ah - that "Son of Liberty" post. I'm still typing :)
 
Jiro said:
yes. Like I said - I call for Arizona people to act on it.
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We do have a few AD members who live in Arizona. They can act on it. You can call upon them. :lol:
 
Reba said:
We do have a few AD members who live in Arizona. They can act on it. You can call upon them. :lol:
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Shel's family (Arizonians) does not support it
 
Reba made an earlier point about how an illegal is not considered a citizen. You cannot say "Illegal Citizen" - there is no such thing. Likewise, there is no such thing as an Illegal Immigrant.

To clarify, an alien is any person who is not a citizen or national of the United States. An immigrant is an alien admitted to the United States as a lawful permanent resident.

An illegal alien is someone who enters the United States without immigration inspection or without an appropriate visa authorizing entry.

The term illegal immigrant is often used interchangeably with illegal alien. However, the correct term for a person entering the United States unlawfully is illegal alien.

The politically-correct phrase undocumented immigrant has no legal basis - it is simply a term used by those who support open borders as an attempt to reframe terminology used in the immigration debate.

A permanent resident alien is an alien lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residency. Permanent residents are also sometimes referred to as immigrants. Note that the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) broadly defines an immigrant as any alien in the United States, except one legally admitted under specific nonimmigrant categories (INA section 101(a)(15)).

Only legal permanent residents may reside permanently in the United States. The Department of State issues visas for this purpose. Other agencies can adjust one's immigration status to permanent resident alien.

A non-resident alien is an temporary resident of the United States who is invited a specific purpose. The alien must have a permanent residence abroad (for most classes of admission) and qualify for the desired nonimmigrant classification.
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For those claiming Arizona's new law is unconstitutional, based on the 14th amendment - here is an "ok" website to review:

Illegal alien terminology - the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment - anchor babies and birthright citizenship - interpretations and misinterpretations - US Constitution

the "intent" of the 14th:

"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
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Jiro said:
this is related to this thread... how?
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The purpose of "your" thread was to show how Arizona's new immigration law is "racist".

So ... anytime an illegal alien is deported, according to your logic, it is the result of racism.

Arizona's immigration law enforces "current" federal immigration law.

Your argument needs to have a broader spectrum. Here is why,

You are not only trying to claim Arizona's law is racist, you are also claiming Federal Immigration Laws are racist since they both enforce the same law.
 
Steinhauer said:
The purpose of "your" thread was to show how Arizona's new immigration law is "racist".
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I said Arizona's new immigration law is unconstitutional.

Steinhauer said:
So ... anytime an illegal alien is deported, according to your logic, it is the result of racism.

Here is why, Arizona's immigration law enforces "current" federal immigration law.

Your argument needs to have a broader spectrum. You are not only trying to claim Arizona's law is racist, you are also claiming Federal Immigration Laws are racist.
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I am claiming that Arizona cannot do the federal duty.

are you attempting to troll me?
 
Jiro said:
I said Arizona's new immigration law is unconstitutional.


I am claiming that Arizona cannot do the federal duty.

are you attempting to troll me?
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No, I am not attempting to troll. I honestly want an open discussion about this. You are going to need to prove, without any doubt, that Arizona's law is racist in intent.

edit: Jiro, I appreciate your contributions and I know you have a good head on your shoulders. I do not know any of your personal experiences and I respect the fact that you feel passionately about this. I do as well. I simply disagree with you on a few points concerning Arizona's law.

The way I view it, this law targets criminals, not Hispanics. Anyone in Arizona that is there illegally, whether they be from Mexico (which has been the item of contention), or from Europe or anywhere else is fair game under this new law.

Now, having said that, I can see how it can be viewed as a racist law. Apparently, the majority of the illegal population is from south of the border. This is no secret. This fact still does not make Arizona's law a racist law as it is targeting illegals and NOT legals.

Again, if an illegal is apprehended, it DOES NOT MATTER what their race is. They WILL be transferred to ICE.

Again, RACE is a non-factor in this new law.
 
Steinhauer said:
No, I am not attempting to troll. I honestly want an open discussion about this. You are going to need to prove, without any doubt, that Arizona's law is racist in intent.
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No. that's not my intention. See my OP -

Time's ticking... just the matter of time till Supreme Court strikes it down as blatantly unconstitutional and Department of Justice completes its investigation on Arizona officials like Sheriff Joe Arpaio for violation of civil rights, abuse of power, etc.
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It is apparent that this Arizona's immigration law is grossly misguided and illegal.
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My intention is to show that Arizona's new immigration law is unconstitutional.

Until then - I must ask you to kindly stop filling this thread with pettiness unless you have anything to contribute such as legal precedents that support Arizona's new immigration law. What would help is if you can show me any Supreme Court case or related that allows the state to do the federal duty and enacting laws to make federal crime as state crime.
 
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