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Teresh said:
Because educated Deaf people are every bit as intelligent and competent as Hearing people. The problem with the label of disability is that it's actually not true. The only real issue a deaf person has is ability to acquire language.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. The problem with the Deaf community is that it insists on staying with an old model of disability. Don't want to be labeled as disabled? Fine. But don't use rhetoric that implies weakness, inferiority, or helplessness on the part of people who have non-dhh disabilities. In fact, I would say that although I use a wheelchair to get around, the wheelchair isn't the issue - the issue is that society insists on building high curbs, steps, etc. This is the central argument of the social model of disability, as opposed to the old-fashioned medical model.

Making excuses to not learn something that would be useful to you in life is just avoidance and denial of your being dhh.
And I, too, am making this choice to learn ASL, although I suspect I have not gotten as far as you have - yet. But even though it's just in the hobby stages right now, that's not denial - it just wouldn't be useful. I am going to school in the hearing world; the majority of my friends are hearing; and I can understand them pretty well right now. Inserting an interpreter into the mix would just confuse things, so ASL, for me, really isn't all that "useful". But again, my beef is not with DHH who don't want to be labeled as dis; it's with DHH who take that desire, and express it by making disability into something it's not.

you'll find that if you fully accept and decide on your desire to learn a language as an adult, it's just as easy as when you were younger.
My first language is English; I speak conversational German, and I know bits and pieces of French. I know what it takes to learn a language, and the fact of the matter is that it is far easier to learn a language as a child than as an adult. It's certainly possible to become fluent in ASL as an adult, and that is my goal; but it is not going to happen overnight, and for some, it is not possible at all to devote the necessary time, energy, and even money.

My observation is that Deaf would think that the hh who claim the disability label are doing so out of desire for sympathy.
Again, equating disability with a desire for sympathy or pity. I am HOH, as I mentioned before. But I am also disabled; I am less than a meter tall at my full adult height; I use a wheelchair; I wear leg braces; and I have various medical issues I won't go into here, some minor, some very serious. But I am also functioning "at a very high level, the same level as [my non-disabled] peers". Do I want sympathy or pity? No. But I am disabled, just as you are dhh. It is part of my identity, just like being dhh is a part of yours. It is a cultural identification, though perhaps not to the extent that Deafness is.

You mention that Deaf do not want accomodations or exceptions. I would point out that this is emphatically not true. What rights have the Deaf spent years fighting for? The right to be educated in a visual language, even though most of the population is educated in an audial language. The right to an interpreter in certain situations, even though this doesn't apply to the rest of the population. These are accomodations. And what about the right to equal opportunities for employment? To take advantage of the hard work put in by disability rights activists on the ADA, section 504, IDEA, and so on, yet simultaneously reject the idea that you have anything at all in common with the disabled, and beyond that, to claim that disabled cannot "function at a very high level", while criticising hearing for claiming the same is true of Deaf" - that is not right. :nono:
 
ismi said:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. The problem with the Deaf community is that it insists on staying with an old model of disability. Don't want to be labeled as disabled? Fine. But don't use rhetoric that implies weakness, inferiority, or helplessness on the part of people who have non-dhh disabilities. In fact, I would say that although I use a wheelchair to get around, the wheelchair isn't the issue - the issue is that society insists on building high curbs, steps, etc. This is the central argument of the social model of disability, as opposed to the old-fashioned medical model.

ismi said:
I am going to school in the hearing world; the majority of my friends are hearing; and I can understand them pretty well right now. Inserting an interpreter into the mix would just confuse things, so ASL, for me, really isn't all that "useful".

About a third of my friends are dhh. The rest are hearing. I don't generally need an interpreter for the 2/3. Besides, just because you can sign doesn't mean you need to sign to people who are hearing if they can understand your speech. O_o

ismi said:
My first language is English; I speak conversational German, and I know bits and pieces of French.

My first language is English. I also speak Japanese. I'm conversational in ASL. I can understand some (written) German, French, Finnish, Swedish, Hebrew and Spanish.

ismi said:
and for some, it is not possible at all to devote the necessary time, energy, and even money.

I haven't spent a cent on my learning to sign. Just spend time with deaf people and you'll learn pretty quickly.

ismi said:
You mention that Deaf do not want accomodations or exceptions. I would point out that this is emphatically not true. What rights have the Deaf spent years fighting for? The right to be educated in a visual language, even though most of the population is educated in an audial language.

This isn't really an accomodation. If there's going to be education at all, it should be available in a language the student can understand.

ismi said:
The right to an interpreter in certain situations, even though this doesn't apply to the rest of the population.

The right for an interpreter exists for anyone who doesn't speak English for any reason. If an immigrant whose English is poor commits a crime, it is absolutely certain that the government will find an interpreter for the trial. That goes for deaf people too. This ha nothing to do with the person's deafness, only the language difference.

ismi said:
And what about the right to equal opportunities for employment?
I'm an entrepreneur. I don't care one whit whether a person is Deaf or Hearing so long as they can communicate with the others in my staff (who are mostly dhh) and can do the job properly.

ismi said:
To take advantage of the hard work put in by disability rights activists on the ADA, section 504, IDEA, and so on, yet simultaneously reject the idea that you have anything at all in common with the disabled, and beyond that, to claim that disabled cannot "function at a very high level", while criticising hearing for claiming the same is true of Deaf" - that is not right. :nono:

I don't criticise people who are disabled, please don't put words in my mouth. I simply do not believe deafness is a disability as it does not at all affect a person's ability to be educated and independent. In a Deaf world, deafness would not be thought of as a disability.
 
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