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shel90 said:
Wow...just seeing that ASL is not important to a lot of people here. It is an American language. Why are Spanish or other classess required to master for high school credits?
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Many more people in theis country speak Spanish than ASL. Helps with international business as well.

That being said, I am not a fan of foreign language requirements either. Very rare that people use that knowledge.
 
I've never seen a cash register that didn't display the total.
 
TXgolfer said:
Many more people in theis country speak Spanish than ASL. Helps with international business as well.

That being said, I am not a fan of foreign language requirements either. Very rare that people use that knowledge.
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many more people will sign ASL if given chance.
 
You will see such cash registers now that I have mentioned it. Their use is widespread and flaunts neglect of the deaf.
 
Jiro said:
best to start it at young age.
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Most elementary schools here (that I know of) teach finger spelling and a few words. I don't see it as something that "needs" to be taught. Very few will have a use for it.
 
deaftears said:
I disagree. I think it is reasonable accomodation for ASL to be taught to the general population. As for what additional steps could be taken to alleviate the discomforts of the blind or wheel chair bound, there's no harm in exploring the subject.
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Think about this, and don't answer it: Before you became deaf and realized how difficult life is without hearing...did you care about deaf peoples' plight?

As human beings, we don't think about needing special assistance unless we become the person needing it. I watched as a close family member lived a cocky, narcissistic life, always complaining about how 'handicapped people' are a waste of oxygen....until he became ill and unable to do many things. Now he is complaining that no one is accommodating his needs.

Compare your life right now to the average third-world deaf person. You are still much better off right now than 75% of the world's population.
 
Having Pener Gabriel on your side has learned you how to bark with the big dogs hasn't it?
 
Jiro said:
businesses do accommodate disabled patrons. and schools do their best to accomodate disabled students. both are required by laws to do it. and it's out of respect too. I don't see it as imposition.

from OP - #1 is reasonable. #2 is not but it's something to think about... not as law though. many high schools have spanish/french/german classes but since Spanish and ASL are one of the largest "foreign" languages in America.... I think it would be in our best interest to learn those.
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I don't either, and didn't say it was. Notice made that comment right after posting about making individuals accommodate us....I was referring to individuals, not businesses or schools.
 
shel90 said:
Wow...just seeing that ASL is not important to a lot of people here. It is an American language. Why are Spanish or other classess required to master for high school credits?
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Think about it....everywhere you go, there are tons of people that only speak and/or read Spanish.

My opinion? The government and corporations here in the US make decisions based on money.

Forget about ADA for a minute here:

If there are 100 people in a store, 60 of them are English, 38 of them are Spanish, and 2 of them are ASL, who do you think the store is willing to invest in accommodating other than the English?

The point here is not so much whether ASL is important, but to step back and take a look at the whole picture here. The chances of running into Spanish, French, and Chinese folks are much, much higher than the chances of running into a deaf person speaking ASL.
 
shel90 said:
Wow...just seeing that ASL is not important to a lot of people here. It is an American language. Why are Spanish or other classess required to master for high school credits?
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I agree that ASL should be included in the "foreign" language requirement offerings, and they are in DE now. However, this is different, offering ASL as a choice for the language to take, than requiring everyone to learn ASL.

Aside, though DE does now allow ASL to fulfill their language requirements, UD, and probably many other universities & colleges, do not yet accept it for admissions. :(
 
Jiro said:
businesses do accommodate disabled patrons. and schools do their best to accomodate disabled students. both are required by laws to do it. and it's out of respect too. I don't see it as imposition.
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At first, I thought businesses were doing these things out of respect. After working closely with business owners, managers, etc, for many years, I don't think that way much anymore.

There are some businesses that actually want to do these things, but the majority of them do it for 2 reasons: 1) The law forces them to do it, and 2) To make the general population think that they care, which is great for public relations.

Sometimes the law goes way overboard....Even I get irritated at some of the laws that are lacking common sense. Perfect example: I need to have a wall thermostat inside an electrical room. The only way to get in there is to climb down a 6 foot ladder in a crawlspace, walk over big pipes and climb up more steps. The inspector says the wall thermostat does not meet ADA compliance because it is 60 inches off the floor, and it should be 48. He knows the chances of a wheelchair-bound person going in the room are slim, but "it is in the spec, so do it".

You get my point. There is a line between 'reasonable accommodation' and ridiculousness.


since Spanish and ASL are one of the largest "foreign" languages in America.... I think it would be in our best interest to learn those.
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I agree. Not for the ability to speak it, but to read it. Ever wish you could buy something, pull out the instructions, and be able to read either one of them instead of looking all over for the English print?
 
ambrosia said:
I don't either, and didn't say it was. Notice made that comment right after posting about making individuals accommodate us....I was referring to individuals, not businesses or schools.
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well the individuals would start accommodating us because it began with somewhere... like school or business.
 
green427 said:
Think about it....everywhere you go, there are tons of people that only speak and/or read Spanish.

My opinion? The government and corporations here in the US make decisions based on money.

Forget about ADA for a minute here:

If there are 100 people in a store, 60 of them are English, 38 of them are Spanish, and 2 of them are ASL, who do you think the store is willing to invest in accommodating other than the English?

The point here is not so much whether ASL is important, but to step back and take a look at the whole picture here. The chances of running into Spanish, French, and Chinese folks are much, much higher than the chances of running into a deaf person speaking ASL.
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but people with hearing disability is the fastest growing population in here. millions and millions of them. it would be in our best interest to learn ASL because this would means less frustration, confusion, and stereotype about deafness... and better understanding and awareness of deaf culture.
 
TXgolfer said:
Many more people in theis country speak Spanish than ASL. Helps with international business as well.

That being said, I am not a fan of foreign language requirements either. Very rare that people use that knowledge.
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I wouldn't be too quick to eradicate ASL from the foreign program at colleges/universities. I just think that there are so many that puts ASL as the least thing to do when in fact it could be a lot beneficial for those who could really use it, ya know?
 
Jolie77 said:
I wouldn't be too quick to eradicate ASL from the foreign program at colleges/universities. I just think that there are so many that puts ASL as the least thing to do when in fact it could be a lot beneficial for those who could really use it, ya know?
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Oh, I am not saying end the program. Just, make it elective and not mandatory.
 
Making ASL a foreign language elective is obviously a major step forward.
 
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