Kentucky clerk refused have same sex marriages license!

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Jezie said:
Yes, once she agrees she can get out of jail.
Yet, is there not someone else that can sign these licenses?
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I heard on the news that other people in the office will sign the licenses ,
I am not sure if the clerk needs to sign them too. I think two people are needed in signing the licenses beside the couple wanting to get marry.
I believed there has to be to witnesses so the clerk may need to sign it too.
 
Awful what she did but am I right according to your amendment she has the right to follow her belief but forcing others is taking there amendment away from them Is that true
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I heard on the news that other people in the office will sign the licenses ,
I am not sure if the clerk needs to sign them too. I think two people are needed in signing the licenses beside the couple wanting to get marry.
I believed there has to be to witnesses so the clerk may need to sign it too.
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They will, well all but one (her son), they were told to sign them or go to jail....
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I heard on the news that other people in the office will sign the licenses ,
I am not sure if the clerk needs to sign them too. I think two people are needed in signing the licenses beside the couple wanting to get marry.
I believed there has to be to witnesses so the clerk may need to sign it too.
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I don't recall having to have witnesses for the license, but you have to have the for the marriage certificate - signed after the vows takes place.
 
Exchange of vows requires witness, exchanging vows don't happen at the time of filling out application for license, so thats why witness is not required at that time. I was there, and was explained and understood how it works.
When you marry, you and your partner apply for license, then submit the permit to the person, whether its the judge in court with witness in background, or clergy whose authorized by the state where they would host wedding, the clergy need to confirm anyone outside of your family be there as a witness, Clergy or judge will mail back to the clerk that application as confirmed with witness, you will then get the marriage license by mail.
OFC the procedure varies from state to state and this is just general idea how procedure is made. If you want faster service, go to Vegas!

LoveBlue said:
I don't recall having to have witnesses for the license, but you have to have the for the marriage certificate - signed after the vows takes place.
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Jezie said:
What does it take, if you know, for her name to not appear on anything that she does not sign personally?
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I wish I knew.

I am guessing the only way to is either impeach her, she resigns (which she won't) or there is some sort of proposal to redesign the marriage license so that her name will not appear anywhere on the license other than her signing it by hand. I wonder if they offered that as a proposal and she rejected that one too.
 
How long is her term? Two to four years seems fairly common. Whatever it is it will eventually end and I doubt she will be re-elected. So that is another way for this to end.
 
Jane B. said:
How long is her term? Two to four years seems fairly common. Whatever it is it will eventually end and I doubt she will be re-elected. So that is another way for this to end.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)

She was elected in 2014 (interestingly she had worked in the same office for 26 years under her mother!), took the oath in January 2015. Her term would be for 4 years.

interesting bit in the Wiki article...
Davis reacted to the ruling by forbidding her clerks from issuing any marriage licenses at all, resulting in a strained workplace atmosphere. The Kentucky Trial Court Review wrote that her "conduct has terrorized not just her staff but everyone that works in the courthouse. And all for a foolish mission aided by out of state charlatan lawyers trying to raise money for their 'religious liberty' mission."
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That bit I can certainly believe- ignoring the bit about the lawyer and the religious liberty mission comment, it does seem like there may have been a great deal of tension...
 
Jane B. said:
How long is her term? Two to four years seems fairly common. Whatever it is it will eventually end and I doubt she will be re-elected. So that is another way for this to end.
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Rowan County is mostly conservative Christian so she will be likely to win the re-election.
 
DeafDucky said:
I wish I knew.

I am guessing the only way to is either impeach her, she resigns (which she won't) or there is some sort of proposal to redesign the marriage license so that her name will not appear anywhere on the license other than her signing it by hand. I wonder if they offered that as a proposal and she rejected that one too.
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I hope not, it is the only peaceful and just conclusion that I can see... it would allow all sides to have the basic rights and liberties that we are all given...
 
Foxrac said:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-03/what-oath-of-office-means-to-county-clerk-kim-davis
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That's a very interesting point. It states that she is a sinner for violating her oath of office to God.

It’s just fine -- in fact, I think it’s admirable -- for a public official to say that he or she won’t enforce any law that’s fundamentally immoral and in contradiction to God’s laws. But the only way to keep that promise consistent with the oath of office is for the official to resign when she thinks enforcing the law would be wrong. Given Davis’s statement of faith that it would violate her interpretation of God’s will to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple, she should quit her position as county clerk. Indeed, she must -- or she’d be living in a position of hypocritical sin.

But by saying she won't issue the marriage licenses while serving in office, Davis is also, if I may humbly say so, committing a sin: violating an oath she made before God to uphold the Constitution and laws of the U.S. The Constitution requires her to issue licenses for gay couples. Every moment she disobeys the Constitution, she is violating her oath. The Bible doesn’t look kindly on oath-breaking. The only way for her to emerge from the state of sin is to resign.

Under the Constitution, the government can’t force you to engage in a religious action or stop you from exercising your freedom of religion. Normally, it shouldn’t coerce you to act against your faith. But no one was or is coercing Kim Davis. She’s free to serve the public and obey her oath to God to follow the law. And she’s free to quit and absolve herself of that oath. The choice is hers.
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Zeo said:
I believe she can get out of the jail when she's willing to provide the license to anyone regardless of who they are... Or well, that's what the news say.

Unfortunately, throwing her into jail seem to have made her even more of a martyr and now she is refusing to give the marriage license to both heterosexual and homosexual couples... She refuse to provide the marriage license to everyone now after she got thrown into jail.
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Yeah but while she been in jail couple of same sex been able to get their marriages licenses so some good came out her being in jail. I am not gay but I support people to marry whoever they want to. I wonder if more gay couples will get marriages licenses while she in jail . The clerk is making the city lose money by refusing to issue the marriages licenses to gay couples.
 
CrazyPaul said:
That's a very interesting point. It states that she is a sinner for violating her oath of office to God.
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That why most Christians in US are not true Christian.
 
Secretblend said:
Just curious of what you think makes one a true Christian?
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1) Don't promote the hate (the hate is strong word)
2) Don't judging on someone
3) Be care and loving (my mother's family is strongly religious and they are very loving)
4) Don't commit adultery
5) Abstain from sexual activities and behavior (it does applies to both of heterosexual and homosexual)
6) Don't divorce (except for domestic violence)
7) Don't drink alcoholic beverage
8) Don't watch porn video or read porn magazine

Not everyone follow the rules above.

There are a lot of hypocrites here.
 
Everyone will have their own definition of what a "True Christian" is.

Several members of my family have not gone to church in.. decades yet in a lot of ways they are more of 'real' Christian (if there is such a thing)- like my mother (who is not Catholic) - than many Catholics I know- she made sure us kids went to church regularly as kids- Catholic as she married a Catholic- and in those days the non Catholic spouse was to defer to Catholic and raise children as Catholic. That doesn't happen anymore though (I have a relative who is Catholic and married a woman who happened to be Jewish- they raised their kids in both faiths).
 
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