Josh Duggar admit on porn addiction and he didn't tell his wife and parents

[hoichi]

Snookie chastises......(shakes head)
Anyway..

 

[Barbaro]

Ugh. When I first read about Josh Duggar's acts toward his sisters, I was thinking I bet he was cheating on his wife. I knew it came true.

Josh's parents had sheltered him way too much. He had gotten curious. Praying may help, but he needs professional help. I don't know what's going on in his mind. I don't think he is happy with his lifestyle. He probably is doing it to appease his family.

 

[Eater of Worlds]

Normally? There is a normal way to view porn?

Sorry, not everyone considers viewing porn to be normal or healthy.

Duggar saying that he's addicted to porn means that he's still not taking full responsibility for what he's done.


I don't know what was going on in Duggar's mind but for a married man to view porn that is showing lack of respect and fidelity to his wife.

While I disagree with all porn watching being abnormal and unhealthy, I do agree with Duggar not taking responsibility for his actions by blaming it on addiction.

In Gothardism, they have a really unhealthy way of dealing with sexuality. Everything sexually is repressed. Kids are not taught any safe and healthy ways of dealing with sexual urges or thoughts and instead are taught that they can't even kiss until the day they get married. Most people have months if not years of taking steps emotionally and physically to get from complete inexperience to sex, not a matter of hours.

I'm not blowing these things out of my ass. I've spoken with someone who was raised in Gothardism and I've read a lot of things written by people who left it. According to what I've read, they only have two broad categories of behavior. Sin and not-sin. Self-pleasuring is just as sinful as premarital sex which is as sinful as homosexuality which is as sinful as adultery which is as sinful as porn which is as sinful as having a sexual fantasy in your head that isn't about your husband or wife or, god forbid, is premarital. This is why the molestation wasn't treated more seriously than it was. It was just like playing with one's self in terms of how bad it was.

It also is always the fault of the women, though they'd never actually say that to someone who asks them. It all stems from Eve's sin. Women and girls create lust in men, that's why they have to be covered "modestly". In the Duggar family and in similar families, the girls have to jump in front of the TV to hide images that might titillate the men and boys. The girls have to call out "Nike" to get the boys to look at their shoes instead of a woman wearing a form fitting tank top. Never are the boys expected to do this on their own, they have someone else regulating it all and deciding for them what is appropriate and never letting them have autonomy. This doesn't allow them to develop proper behavior limits, and it always allows them to blame women for their own failings.

 

[hoichi]

Do we have any evedence to dismiss he is addicted to porn?
Being addicted to something doesnt negate responsability.if only..lol...you still have to to face the consequnces of your actions..
Not every single person ever who views porn is addicted...but thats the same for anything..drugs included. Fact is many many many many fall into the snares of porn addiction which is a seperate issue then sex addiction..yes there is sex anonomyous for those adicted to sex, prob even a porn anonynous too...
What do we have to show he isnt addicted?
He behaves like an addict.
In every way..

 

[sara1981]

Josh Duggar Checks into Rehab, Starts 'a Long Journey Toward Wholeness and Recovery'
http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-checks-into-rehab-ashley-madison-scandal

Josh Duggar's First Stint in Rehab Included Heavy Faith-Based "Counseling," Manual Labor
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...stint-included-heavy-counseling-labor-2015268

Josh Duggar Checks Into Long-Term Treatment Center After Cheating Confession: "It Will Be a Long Journey"
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...-treatment-center-after-cheating-news-2015268

Anna Duggar's Siblings Begged Her to Leave Josh – She Cut Them Off, Says Source
http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-siblings-leave-josh-duggar

Josh Duggar enters faith-based rehab to be treated for sex addiction after allegation he had paid stripper for 'rough sex' during wife's latest pregnancy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ripper-rough-sex-wife-s-latest-pregnancy.html

 

[hoichi]

Good for him to seeking the help he needs,
Good for her for sticking with her family and him.
She clearly is loyal and dedicated and that is something veey lacking in todays world, this women is dimsissed, and scoffed at,and mocked, and chastissed...
I think its shamefull how she is being treated by the oress, considering how awfull she was treated by her husband.

 

[Eater of Worlds]

There's some big problems with Josh going to rehab. He was dropped off in Rockford, probably to go to Reformers Unanimous which his parents have supported in the past for drug and alcohol rehab. It's "Christian-based", which all too often means that they don't have any licensed counselors or therapists on staff and rehab is done from a biblical perspective. Reformers Unanimous indeed doesn't have anyone licensed. How on earth can they tackle real life issues that lead to addiction without having any training as therapists or counselors?

The other big problem is that Josh's religion can't see any reason for his actions other than addiction. In his ad on Ashley Madison he wanted someone who would take control. Yet his religion makes it so that the women are always submissive to the men. He had no chance to get to know his wife before he married her, he wasn't allowed to even have a conversation alone with her. I doubt that these unlicensed counselors are going to be able to understand why he felt the need to pay for sex and have sex so rough that he scared the woman who has had rough sex before. He mentioned that he thought she'd be fine with it since she'd had rough sex in a porn movie before. It's disturbing that he can't tell the difference between a sexual fantasy (the porn movie) and the reality that women generally don't enjoy sex so rough it scares them.

Not only is that disturbing, but he fixated on a particular woman for years and followed her porn acting to the extent that he'd hunt her down in person when she was stripping. This is the kind of thing that he needs an educated, experienced therapist to help him deal with it. He needs someone who can help him understand why he did that (why he cheated and why he needed the rough sex and why he fixated on her) so he can change the patterns of his behavior.

 

[Zephyrstorm25]

JOSH should told his wife first place before hacker or someone revealed his business. Smh

 

[hoichi]

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There's some big problems with Josh going to rehab. He was dropped off in Rockford, probably to go to Reformers Unanimous which his parents have supported in the past for drug and alcohol rehab. It's "Christian-based", which all too often means that they don't have any licensed counselors or therapists on staff and rehab is done from a biblical perspective. Reformers Unanimous indeed doesn't have anyone licensed. How on earth can they tackle real life issues that lead to addiction without having any training as therapists or counselors?

No plm at all with christian based rehabs, or any other religious based rehabs...your missing a few serious points here...its not the faith here that is the issue, its the addiction. Religious based rehabs actually can be very good, conpared to the athiest medical apporach, in my opinion actually faith based models to addiction recover are superior. Medical models in recovery from addiction is always found lacking...the questiion i would ask regarding where he went, isnt what god they believe in, but rather how long and how disciplined the rehab is? I did over two years at a very strict and disciplined Roman Catholic (im not catholic nor christian but a priest was instrumental in saving my life) religious community, not all rehabs are based on the medical idea of a talk shop with a counsilor from some ivory tower with all the degrees on the wall....(roll eyes). Instead some like the one that was instrumental in saving me was based on no talk...mostly silence...(bieng Deaf it was perfect) and extremely hard work and discipline under a monestic rule...different people need different medicine...for me...i cuould sit in a room full of licensed counsilors all damn day and play them like i played the courts or anyone....some two bit degree means sqwat when in comes to addiction..what matters more is if the people with you have been through it, where i was besides the priests who offered mass and the sacraments..every one else was through it, and were clean and kicked...all who helped you were former junkies or cons...msybe one had a degree, in an unrekated feild...it was expeeience that mattered...non wrote any phds on some ink blott tests given two chimps and then wote a these into it....(roll eyes), i dont usually share my experiences in the community i lived in....publicly but i did here to show i have allot of experience with this kind of thing and i know what im talking about...the first rehab i went to i was a 14 year old kid just overdosed...and it was a standard 28 day medical approach model rehab..almost pointless, then again i went, then again,,,three times i almost died before 16 and was in and out of medical rehabs, 28 day programs, talk shops, full of doctors and counsilors with all the degrees on the wall stating how smart they were...the model for recovery actually sucks...it addresses addiction only as a biological plm...and we know, its much much more then measuring withdraw symptoms of an organism and keeping you hydrated..that is why religious community based rehabs of a long term model...two or more years have a far better sucess rate in.recovery then.revolving door 28 day medical approsch rehabs..

The other big problem is that Josh's religion can't see any reason for his actions other than addiction.

Im sure his religion sees the cause of his addiction as sin and thus the devil being very much involved. I doubt fundimentalist christians woukd just view this as a medical addiction plm.

In his ad on Ashley Madison he wanted someone who would take control. Yet his religion makes it so that the women are always submissive to the men. He had no chance to get to know his wife before he married her, he wasn't allowed to even have a conversation alone with her.

Thats a seperate issue...areanged marrieges have been standard for for various cultures and faiths for millinia

I doubt that these unlicensed counselors

Do you actually know they are unlicensed? Even so, so what? In addiction experience in overcoming ot is far better then a.license on the wall. This is allot of experience talking here, non of it from books..ive been there...to an addict in recovery, the person helping better hsve been there, degrees dont cut it..

are going to be able to understand why he felt the need to pay for sex and have sex so rough that he scared the woman who has had rough sex before. He mentioned that he thought she'd be fine with it since she'd had rough sex in a porn movie before. It's disturbing that he can't tell the difference between a sexual fantasy (the porn movie) and the reality that women generally don't enjoy sex so rough it scares them.

How is it disturbing to hire a porn actress working girl who stared in rough sex movies to actually have rough sex with you?
It seems to make sense if thats what your into.

Not only is that disturbing, but he fixated on a particular woman for years and followed her porn acting to the extent that he'd hunt her down in person when she was stripping. This is the kind of thing that he needs an educated, experienced therapist to help him deal with it. He needs someone who can help him understand why he did that (why he cheated and why he needed the rough sex and why he fixated on her) so he can change the patterns of his behavior.

Its actually comon.for people into porn to fixate on.certain actrersses. Its an addiction.that targets the sex drive and objectivies human beings to nothing other then sex objects to suit ones desire.being fixated is normal for a porn addict, just as a junky is fixated on his riggs and next hit
I get it.
You dont like.christians...it shows...
You need to step away from your hostility towards them though, if anything, your fixated on this guys faith and religion..
Addiction strikes every faith, ever class, every race, its a human plm not a fsith, class, race religion one.

 

[DeafDucky]

How is it disruebing to hire a poen acress woeking girl who stared in rough sex movies to actually have rough sex with you?
It seems to make sense if thats what your into.

He didn't hire a porn actress. He hired a working girl or hooked up with a 'woman into rough sex' I suppose but I don't think the woman he tried to do 'rough sex' with is a porn actress. Where it gets a little disturbing for some probably is that he seems to think what happens in the movie is REAL (I am sure a lot of it is staged and filmed in parts...) and figured well people MUST do that... betting he didn't exactly ask the woman just how rough she likes it but just jumped in and scared the heck out of the poor woman.

JMO is all.

 

[hoichi]

He didn't hire a porn actress. He hired a working girl or hooked up with a 'woman into rough sex' I suppose but I don't think the woman he tried to do 'rough sex' with is a porn actress. Where it gets a little disturbing for some probably is that he seems to think what happens in the movie is REAL (I am sure a lot of it is staged and filmed in parts...) and figured well people MUST do that... betting he didn't exactly ask the woman just how rough she likes it but just jumped in and scared the heck out of the poor woman.

JMO is all.

Alright i miss read that..
Its not uncoomon for those into porn, to hire working girls to hsve the sex they like, if thst is rough sex the girl will f eorking for an.agency most likely will be on a list of those who specialise in that ganre.
If the girl was a walker, then it would most likely all depend on how bad she needs the fix, its a bussiness, a grim one, money will dictate the product andeverything involved.
The disturbing part isnt thst a working girlbwas hired for rough sex, thats just s common hiring contract in the indistry...
What happens in porn is real...its not fake..people do have sex in porn, rough or otherwise...and really there is not much difference between a working gil snd a porn actress...both have sex for money. What isnt real is the time frame...snd all the eaiting snd moving for shots and angles and so on deoending on.the porn,
Its very very common for those into porn to seek what they like ..

 

[DeafDucky]

Actually Hoichi I need to take that bit back as it seems he did hire a porn star (the one he was infatuated with) looks like I was the one who misread (or was confused by the writing somehow)- read that when I came across this short article
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403...regnant/?_ga=1.152857841.996791979.1435451023

And if you google Josh Duggar hired porn star? there are a lot of articles stating that the porn stars claims that he did- twice.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403...regnant/?_ga=1.152857841.996791979.1435451023

 

[Eater of Worlds]

Well, more information has come out about the place Josh was sent to. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...-allegedly-involved-in-sex-abuse-coverup.html

I was going to try to summarize it, but there's just too much. This blog is written by someone who grew up with the same religious beliefs that Josh did. It's very well researched and has cited support for all the statements made about the place.

This is why I feel uncomfortable with places that treat addiction without having any sort of medical oversight, meaning trained and licensed therapists. How can someone run such a place yet still support sexual offenders by allowing them to avoid criminal charges? Well, apparently their entire residential program is physical labor and Bible study, which really goes far towards understanding things that contribute towards sexual deviance like sexual ethics and power structures. That was sarcasm, just so you know. The physical labor and Bible study is the exact same thing that Josh did when he was a teenager and that was extremely successful for him, obviously.

 

[hoichi]

Actually Hoichi I need to take that bit back as it seems he did hire a porn star (the one he was infatuated with) looks like I was the one who misread (or was confused by the writing somehow)- read that when I came across this short article
http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403...regnant/?_ga=1.152857841.996791979.1435451023

And if you google Josh Duggar hired porn star? there are a lot of articles stating that the porn stars claims that he did- twice.

http://www.ijreview.com/2015/08/403...regnant/?_ga=1.152857841.996791979.1435451023

Alriight no plm..

 

[hoichi]

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Well, more information has come out about the place Josh was sent to. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejo...-allegedly-involved-in-sex-abuse-coverup.html

I was going to try to summarize it, but there's just too much. This blog is written by someone who grew up with the same religious beliefs that Josh did. It's very well researched and has cited support for all the statements made about the place.y.

Alright

This is why I feel uncomfortable with places that treat addiction without having any sort of medical oversight, meaning trained and licensed therapists. y.

Thats a fairly wide generalization. I mean have any licensed therapist ever been involved with sexual misconduct? Has the medical establishment ever been involved with any sexual misconduct? Ever?
Thats not the reason why your uncomfortible with places like this.just be clear man. Its because their christian, and not some white coat big pharma or what ever theray freudian seeing a.dick everywhere kind of ink blot recovery place pychobable shrinks run.

How can someone run such a place yet still support sexual offenders by allowing them to avoid criminal charges? y.

Have the allegations been proven true?

Well, apparently their entire residential program is physical labor and Bible study, y.

Thats not surprisng considering duggur and the place are protestant christians..

which really goes far towards understanding things that contribute towards sexual deviance like sexual ethics and power structures. That was sarcasm, just so you know. The physical labor and Bible study is the exact same thing that Josh did when he was a teenager and that was extremely successful for him, obviously.

In japan there are buddbist based long term recovery programs for addicts..italy...its catholic based(ones i did), some extrememly strict and monastic. If one has a strong faith it makes sense for that addict to seek and get the help from his said faith. In the case of duggur he is a believin christian, for him getting help from a fruedian everything is a big dick kinda treatment prob wouldnt be the best option. A big pharma white coat rehab prob woukdnt be eaither...a co ed rehab with allot of sex and scantily dressed femals prob wouldnt be wise..
Whats the deal here anyway..
Modern consumerist everything is an object of pleasure society shouldnt havean issue with a guy who follkws its norms? He watched porn, screwes working girls..
Isnt this in modeen society something that is accepted?
What exact issue do you have?
You think porn is noemal..alright so its not him beating of to porn, is it he hired woeking girl porn actress? Or is it simply he is a guy who has faith and failed to live up to his commitments?
Im trying to figure you out here, besides the anti christian bias, which is clear..