Joe the Plumber vs. Colin Powell

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Byrdie714 said:
Try again....it's not the real "Joe the Plumber".
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Not unless he borrowed plugs from Joe the Biden.
 
Byrdie714 said:
:lol:

How about Election fatigue?
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BradB08 said:
Look him up for yourself. I'll get you started.

Story of Joe the Plumber springs many leaks

No need to play the "Huh?" game with me. It's a good diversionary tactic and pretty much in line with what Republicans do whenever they're accused of something.
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I read your link. It said nothing about Joe being white-collar or not being middle class. Also, just because someone is behind in their taxes and debts doesn't necessarily mean they are intentionally trying to "dodge" their taxes. If anything, Joe's financial problems put him in that economically troubled group of the population that the liberals claim to care about so much.

And talk about grasping at straws--making a big deal about him using his middle name instead of his first name--give me a break.

If anything, that story proved that even with lots of digging (which in itself is pitiful), that's all they could come up with.

I'm not playing a "game" with you. You made an accusation about Joe's status, so I called on you to back it up. If you are secure in your "facts" you shouldn't be bothered by that.
 
I guess McCain was right in that the election was not going to be about the issues.

We're so easily distracted so as to detract from the real issues.

This "Joe the Plumber" phenomenon has gripped America. Those who talk about it are, probably, those who have already made up their minds and need conversation fodder.
 
Reba said:
I read your link. It said nothing about Joe being white-collar or not being middle class. Also, just because someone is behind in their taxes and debts doesn't necessarily mean they are intentionally trying to "dodge" their taxes. If anything, Joe's financial problems put him in that economically troubled group of the population that the liberals claim to care about so much.

And talk about grasping at straws--making a big deal about him using his middle name instead of his first name--give me a break.

If anything, that story proved that even with lots of digging (which in itself is pitiful), that's all they could come up with.

I'm not playing a "game" with you. You made an accusation about Joe's status, so I called on you to back it up. If you are secure in your "facts" you shouldn't be bothered by that.
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Well we know that he's not a real plumber, his real name isn't Joe and he doesn't like paying taxes.
 
then Joe the Idiot need move to poor country with less or no tax. :roll:

also, if he refuse to pay taxes then he wouldn't quality to run for house of rep due criminal record.
 
Also, if you want a real member of the middle class, talk to my father. He's been working all his life and has far more credibility than Joe the Liar.

Plus, he pays his taxes and refuses to support warmongers like McCain.
 
BradB08 said:
Well we know that he's not a real plumber, his real name isn't Joe and he doesn't like paying taxes.
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He works as a plumber.

Are nicknames a sin or a crime? I know lots of people who don't use their "real" first names. So what?

Most people (including me) don't "like" paying taxes.

So what's your point?
 
Foxrac said:
then Joe the Idiot need move to poor country with less or no tax. :roll:

also, if he refuse to pay taxes then he wouldn't quality to run for house of rep due criminal record.
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Did he refuse to pay his taxes?
 
jillio said:
EVidently he did. He has a delinquent tax bill, which means that he has been refusing to pay them since they were due.
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I also fail to see how anyone could defend him after knowing this about him.
 
BradB08 said:
I also fail to see how anyone could defend him after knowing this about him.
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Then try this little thought experiment. Suppose there's a roofer named Fred who had liberal leanings and supported Barack Obama. One day, John McCain walks down Fred's street and Fred asks him an honest question. While answering the question, McCain says something that Obama uses to attack him successfully. All of the sudden, McCain's supporters are trying to find everything they can to discredit and embarrass Fred the Roofer. In the process, they find a tax lien against him. Your fellow Obama supporters try to defend Fred offering reasonable benefit-of-the-doubt explanations, such as "...just because someone is behind in their taxes and debts doesn't necessarily mean they are intentionally trying to 'dodge' their taxes." Despite this, the attacks and demonization continue on a private citizen, imperfect as he may be, just trying to ask a question of a political candidate. Now ask yourself- which side would you be on? That of Fred's attackers? Or his defenders?
 
jillio said:
EVidently he did. He has a delinquent tax bill, which means that he has been refusing to pay them since they were due.
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or maybe he's just broke. nada.
 
darkdog said:
Then try this little thought experiment. Suppose there's a roofer named Fred who had liberal leanings and supported Barack Obama. One day, John McCain walks down Fred's street and Fred asks him an honest question. While answering the question, McCain says something that Obama uses to attack him successfully. All of the sudden, McCain's supporters are trying to find everything they can to discredit and embarrass Fred the Roofer. In the process, they find a tax lien against him. Your fellow Obama supporters try to defend Fred offering reasonable benefit-of-the-doubt explanations, such as "...just because someone is behind in their taxes and debts doesn't necessarily mean they are intentionally trying to 'dodge' their taxes." Despite this, the attacks and demonization continue on a private citizen, imperfect as he may be, just trying to ask a question of a political candidate. Now ask yourself- which side would you be on? That of Fred's attackers? Or his defenders?
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The difference would be in your claim that the Obama supporters found something to "successfully" attack McCain over with Fred. McCain was not successful in his attacks, and in fact, it completely backfired. Seems to be a habit with him and his running mate.
 
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