JiveTalk - new IM for BB devices

VamPyroX said:
How is the Sidekick unreliable? My Sidekick has never failed me.

Does your device allow POP account access? If so, how many?
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The answer to second question is yes. Up to 10 accounts. I alsol get instant delivery with reconcilation from Yahoo, or instant delivery with Gmail.

To the first question, my wife had a sidekick for a year, not to mention my friends who also use them. Too often, the email takes hours to get delivered from tmail. I lost my patience with the SK2 because of it. The BB gets email within seconds, and POP accounts within minutes. Outages have been rare. The BB is, and has been, very reliable for me. If you can wait hours for your messages, then the sk is fine. When my wife switched to the BB, all of those delays stopped happening. YMMV, but, for me, the sk2 or 3 is unreliable.
 
dkf747 said:
The answer to second question is yes. Up to 10 accounts. I alsol get instant delivery with reconcilation from Yahoo, or instant delivery with Gmail.

To the first question, my wife had a sidekick for a year, not to mention my friends who also use them. Too often, the email takes hours to get delivered from tmail. I lost my patience with the SK2 because of it. The BB gets email within seconds, and POP accounts within minutes. Outages have been rare. The BB is, and has been, very reliable for me. If you can wait hours for your messages, then the sk is fine. When my wife switched to the BB, all of those delays stopped happening. YMMV, but, for me, the sk2 or 3 is unreliable.
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OH yeah! I remember that. Amanda had Sk2 and I send her tmail and she don't get it till 1min to 40min, sometime an hour, same problem when she send me to gmail. So she switched sk2 to Treo700p and much better and very quick as 1 sec like you have.
 
dkf747 said:
The answer to second question is yes. Up to 10 accounts. I alsol get instant delivery with reconcilation from Yahoo, or instant delivery with Gmail.

To the first question, my wife had a sidekick for a year, not to mention my friends who also use them. Too often, the email takes hours to get delivered from tmail. I lost my patience with the SK2 because of it. The BB gets email within seconds, and POP accounts within minutes. Outages have been rare. The BB is, and has been, very reliable for me. If you can wait hours for your messages, then the sk is fine. When my wife switched to the BB, all of those delays stopped happening. YMMV, but, for me, the sk2 or 3 is unreliable.
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Perhaps, it's your area.

In my area, my Sidekick gets its emails seconds after the other person sends it. At the same time, my friend who is a Blackberry user gets only half of people's emails. They're always complaining why he never replies and it's because he's never getting them.

Sometimes, we'd meet for dinner and then during dinner... he gets paged. It's a message from me from 2 hours ago saying that I was on my way to pick him up. :roll:
 
VamPyroX said:
Perhaps, it's your area.

In my area, my Sidekick gets its emails seconds after the other person sends it. At the same time, my friend who is a Blackberry user gets only half of people's emails. They're always complaining why he never replies and it's because he's never getting them.

Sometimes, we'd meet for dinner and then during dinner... he gets paged. It's a message from me from 2 hours ago saying that I was on my way to pick him up. :roll:
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Considering the various areas where it happens, I am not sure it is the area. It could be, but I doubt it.
 
I have to said JiveTalk is much better than Yak-on... I got like 7 days left of free trail on JiveTalk and am thinking abt purchase JT after expire on free trail...
 
farewell65 said:
I have to said JiveTalk is much better than Yak-on... I got like 7 days left of free trail on JiveTalk and am thinking abt purchase JT after expire on free trail...
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Farewell, Are you certain about this is better than yak-on? Then, Why you think this is better than YAK-ON? Have you try with YAK-ON IM Client?
 
XBGMER said:
Farewell, Are you certain about this is better than yak-on? Then, Why you think this is better than YAK-ON? Have you try with YAK-ON IM Client?
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I did try Yak-On once and I dont like it cuz little slow service and some my buddies' SN are missing...
 
JiveTalk is AMAZING! Best mobile chat software...

JiveTalk is available for BlackBerry and iPhone and coming soon to Windows Mobile... (so it belongs here because it covers multiple devices) I'm reviewing the BlackBerry version.

I am amazed at how good JiveTalk is. After just 30 minutes, it was obvious that JiveTalk was better and I will probably do a paid registration before its 30 day trial is up.

I am also a computer programmer, and have been programming since 1986, as well as I have lots of beta testing and QA/QC knowledge, and therefore, my comments tend to carry fairly heavy weight among people who rely on me for software quality. Jive is still at only Version 1.0.2 but they must have hired one of the world's best mobile programmers to make it! It's so stable, stays logged on... My previous favourite was IM+ Chat....

So now here goes...

JiveTalk strengths over IM+
  • Starts up directly to buddy list. I like this, it embeds the IM network list and the buddies list as separate 'categories' so I don't have to switch between screens like I have to on IM+. When I go back to the BlackBerry main menu, I like how it instantly shows my buddy list again when I go back into it.
  • MUCH better battery life. No contest here, when you have big buddy lists of 200 people. I was able to stay logged in for 2 days nonstop without recharging! I used to do that, almost, with IM+ v4.0 sometimes, but IM+ v5 tends to use a lot more battery power with big buddy lists. I think JiveTalk has the lowest battery consumption for big buddy lists, that I have ever tried in any mobile chat software.
  • Very fast startup, even with buddy list of 200 people. After downloading, it only takes a short moment and the whole 200 people list instantly appears - rather than slowly appearing one by one.
  • Really good and FAST chat theme engine You got the flexibility of several different themes INCLUDING simple looks (like IM+ v4) which I have a strong preference for. And at the same time, you can configure it to look like iPhone balloon chat stuff. Hate the balloons? No problem - switch themes. IM+ v5 can do this too, but it's only a checkbox while JiveTalk gives you a bigger choice of different chat looks. Want it IRC style? or balloon style? or desktop style? or compact text? You can do it with JiveTalk! And the icing on the cake -- the pretty graphics don't give you the performance penalty like it does on IM+ v5.
  • Much more intuitive context-sensitivity
    Things like being able to end chat from buddy list. Things like the pop-up email address that shows when I hover over an MSN buddy. Things like clearing popups faster when I spin the scrollwheel because I obviously want to view a different contact, rather than encumbering or throwing obstacles or disabling my hotkeys while they're displayed (like IM+'s v5 unread message notifications -- very poor UI design.)
  • I can logon multiple MSN accounts concurrently. I have two accounts, one for personal, and one for business. This comes in handy. I can log into one or the other, or both at the same time, in an intuitive fashion. Very good! I haven't had this ability since I had VeriChat. You can add and remove multiple chat accounts of any major chat networks, and log onto some or all of them at once!
  • I can switch conversations easily The ALT+ALT doubletap is a pretty cool feature. I can even ALT+ALT followed by a number key to switch to a specific chat. ALT+ALT also has the popup context sensitivity too. You can switch to the next chat in IM+ too (Alt+Space in IM+ if you enable hotkeys) but ALT+ALT is more powerful, and I can always hit ALT+ALT+SPACE using just one thumb to switch to the next chat. (BeeJive, add extra keyperss shortcuts anyway - see the 'shortcomings' section below)
  • Much better conversation history I can view yesterday's or last week's conversation very easily, it automatically remembers all the last several conversations I've ever had with somebody. I can easily erase this, disable this feature (privacy), or archive by emailing this history. And scrolling through the log history is very fast, and it has the same much better "Select Text" mode for copy and paste. IM+ v5 is getting better at remembering conversations than v4, but I still usually completely lose conversations anyway.
  • Much better copy, paste, email abilities It has a special "Select Mode" where I am easily to copy large blocks of text much more easily. I can much more easily email myself conversations too, much more reliably, even in problem situations, even after I forget to email myself conversation. Works everywhere there's a conversation or was ever a conversation in the past - old and new - even get my previous conversation from before I changed the BlackBerry battery - even while disconnected from server - active chats, history, etc.
  • Chat transmission success indicator When I type my chats, any untransmitted chats (above the splitscreen line) is briefly in grey color. Once the message successfully reaches the JiveTalk server, the text becomes normal black. That way, I know if a message transmission is slow due to poor cellphone reception or server problems. Much like BlackBerry Messenger's or BlackBerry's Google Talk clock symbol. Good move!
  • Less delays in user interface Everything seems to respond with a slightly shorter lag. Background operations happen much faster than IM+ and thus lag my software less.
  • File Transfer! Never before I've ever seen this done on cellphone. You can transfer files between your PC and BlackBerry over an AIM conversation just like between two computers running AIM! It has a surprisingly good unintended emergency use: I'm at a computer in another city, and I need to transfer a file wirelessly from that Internet connected computer to be stored on my BlackBerry. I won't need this feature much, but it's great to know it's there when I need it. My company use chat software pretty extensively for collaboration between workers, it may be another market for JiveTalk to focus on. (Note: See 'shortcomings', there's a bug in file transfer on certain devices)
  • I don't lose chats when I logout/disconnect JiveTalk keeps chats open, even if I intentionally disconnect from the chat network. I can even read and save the chat (to an queued email) when the whole phone network is down. Good feature to have, I no longer worry about lost chats with JiveTalk anymore.
  • Clever use of chat indicator icons All buddies that I currently have a conversation with, has a very clear "chat active" icon next to them. IM+ does this, but moves the buddy to the top rather than simply making a copy of the same buddy in an "Active Chats" section at top, while keeping the same buddy in the "Buddies" section. So I don't wonder why a buddy dissappeared, when it turns out I had just chatted to him an hour ago and the buddy was simply at the top of my 200-person buddy list in IM+. IM+ is way too clumsy for 200 person buddy lists.
  • Great tree view performance I could improve things with IM+ tree view, but then performance in IM+ becomes worse (and it uses battery faster -- because slow performance = more CPU power = more battery power = shorter battery life!). I'm forced to use the simple list view just to get better performance in IM+. But JiveTalk did this properly from the start, it's 100% fast, no matter what I am doing in JiveTalk - I'm amazed that a Version 1.0.x product is this good and fast performance, totally and embarassingly blowing away a competitor's 5.x product. (P.S. BeeJive, please don't lay off the Java programmer you currently have. If he's idling doing nothing after such a good nearly-bug-free client, put him on new BlackBerry project so you can keep him/her in your company. You got yourself a gem of a programmer)
  • Active chats are ACTUALLY active chats When I start a chat in IM+ but don't type anything, the buddy is added to my active chats. He dissappears from my IM+ buddy list and I have to scroll several screenfuls to the top, and END the chat I accidentally started. Since there's no way to end the chat while outside of the chat, I have to actually go IN the chat before I can end the chat. (Mind you, I often use the "next chat" hotkey in IM+ to more quickly solve this - IM+ excellent hotkeys are its only saving grace for this terrible IM+ user interface design). But still, JiveTalk does this properly, chats are not added to active chat lists unless either ME or THEM actually types something. That's the proper way to do it, and that's how all other chat clients have worked.
  • Notifications integrates into regular BlackBerry Profiles This is great because I can customize notifications using the same system for phone and email. Though it does come with some limitations such as lack of IM+'s blue LED blink feature.
  • It was easy to install the best version on an 8700 running OS 4.2. I can't say the same for IM+ version 5 betas. I download IM+ wirelessly normally, then IM+ repeatedly complains I need to upgrade to the OS 4.2 version, I try to download again, and it complains again. It's hard to download IM+ for OS 4.2 on a 8700. ShapeServices like to assume that if you have an 8700 (browser content-type detection), you are running only OS 4.1. However, people like me, the geeks, the people who refer people about software recommendations, are often more bleeding edge. ShapeServices need to redesign it so that I have a choice of downloading the OS 4.2 version. Even some model 7130's (the 200Mhz ARM CPU version) can be upgraded from 4.1 to version 4.2 too.
  • Better BlackBerry main-screen icon It has a color-coded method of telling whether it's in online, away, or offline mode, and whether there are messages waiting. IM+ can only tell you whether or not messages are waiting. Plain simply, more contextual information obtained by a quick glance at the icon on the BlackBerry main screen ribbon.
  • Simple! Feels more capable, yet feels much less cluttered. IM+ v5 became much more "cluttered feeling" than IM v4 with all the little nitpicks I've covered so far. The way JiveTalk was designed, it does most things very well without clutter or obstacles. Advanced features are so streamlined within the software.
  • Much better at staying connected ... Without needing disconnect-reconnect cycle. It feels as good as IM+ v4 now which was always very reliable staying online. Many versions of IM+ v5 has a tendancy to disconnect spontaneously ("Reconnecting..." happens often, especially when I am trying to chat to multiple people on my 200 buddy list).
  • I can easily end conversation multiple ways
    - While in chat with them
    - While in buddy list screen, select contact in "Conversation" tree area
    - While in buddy list screen, select contact in "Buddies" tree area
Weaknesses
(not many, but let's be fair.)
  • Custom color LED notification - IM+ (v5 on OS4.2) blinks my incoming message notifications in blue color, so I know it's an incoming instant message rather than an email. 71XX and 8XXX BlackBerries have multicolor LED's, so applications need to use custom LED colors more often - take advantage of this cool BlackBerry feature. It could function concurrently with the regular BlackBerry profiles system by running as a separate LED-only notifier code built into JiveTalk, with a hardcoded 1 second delay, so that the custom color flash comes 1 second after the regular BlackBerry notification's red light flash (handled by BlackBerry OS). Have the cake and eat it too, essentially, by letting BlackBerryOS generate the first red flash (because of the Profiles system), then JiveTalk generate the second custom-color flash. (hint, hint, BeeJive). This would only work on OS 4.2 and later.
  • Lack of Shortcut Keys While I love the ALT-ALT tap of JiveTalk, there were many more keypress shortcuts available in IM+. And the keypress shortcuts was configurable in IM+. Such as Alt+Space to switch chats, RightShift+Backspace to end chat, etc. I'd like JiveTalk to design-in more keypress shortcuts.
  • No Buddy Search With a buddy list of 200 people, it's useful to be able to type a letter (A, B, C) and have the buddy list immediately jump to the first buddy matching the name. However, this feature in IM+ is so slow with a big buddy list, that I don't use this feature, and it behaves in a way I don't like (I prefer the selection bar to move to the matching contact, not see the buddy list become smaller, when I start typing a search).
    Suggestion to BeeJive: If a Buddy Search is added to JiveTalk, it should be fast performance ("binary search" style fast, preferably). Bonus points if this can be made an intelligent search, so that it can catch last names and catch names surrounded by fancy punctuation such as -=~CoDeMaStEr~=- ... And basically make a textfield automatically appear at the top when starting to type an alphabetic letter while viewing the buddy list, and match the first alphanumeric character in the buddy. (and other words in the title, depending on how the 'search' is implemented) maybe a "Search Results" tree right above the "Buddies" tree and below "Networks" tree.). Hitting the Esc button would clear the search and close the Search Results tree automatically, while scrolling the wheel down out of the textfield would allow selection of the search results contacts. More bonus points if search can be instantaneous, or at least not cause the UI to lag and be fully interruptible via Esc button or scrollwheel spin. i.e. I type something and it begins searching in the background (re-populating the "Search Results" tree automatically with every keypress of mine or after a 1 second delay to prevent lagging between keypresses) but decide to hit Esc immediately, there should be no lag when I press Esc or scroll the wheel - even if it was still searching. (i.e. search occurs in background thread and self-interruptible via hitting Esc). BeeJive's wonderful programmer could probably design something better than my idea, but this should be a minimum.
  • File Transfer Issues On my BlackBerry 8700 running OS 4.2, trying select "File Transfer" crashes the BlackBerry. It has no problems on a BlackBerry with a media card slot, at least when a card is inserted. I'd still like to send/receive pictures from my BlackBerry's main flash memory, though. Fix this for 8700's - I'm still using an 8700 running OS 4.2 for now! ;-) ... This is the single ONLY real bug I have ever seen in JiveTalk so far.

And the NUMBER ONE Advantage is...

  • MUCH better battery life. No contest here, when you have big buddy lists of 200 people. I was able to stay logged in for 2 days nonstop without recharging! I used to do that, almost, with IM+ v4.0 sometimes, but IM+ v5 tends to use a lot more battery power with big buddy lists. I think JiveTalk has the lowest battery consumption for big buddy lists, that I have ever tried in any mobile chat software.

The runner-up advantage was stability. But when you go from charging your BlackBerry TWO TIMES A DAY ..... into ..... ONCE EVERY TWO DAYS - it's a big leap in battery miser for massive buddy lists logged 24/7 on multiple chat networks. Then the convenient battery life wins over stability! The fact that JiveTalk is so stable, is icing on the cake.

Now, more about battery consumption. The programmers of BeeJive apparently did so much performance optimization, the JiveTalk software uses so little CPU, and idling CPU saves bettery power. It even seems to intelligently go into a low-power online mode while running idle, which is the key to JiveTalk's wonderfully long battery life with huge buddy lists.

Conclusion...

Due to the overwhelming superiority of JiveTalk, I have to declare it "NO CONTEST" at this time. With the large number of Version 5 issues (especially subtle bugs and usability issues, even in 5.0.9), I have to say that these are three winners on my BlackBerry. None of RIM's in-house offerings is at the top -- the Google Talk in JiveTalk is even much more reliable than the Google Talk made by RIM. As both chat software vendors visit these forums, I know Shape Services WILL improve Version 5. I hope Shape Services reads this message and decides to rewrite the software from scratch for Version 6 with a star programmer, to get the "clean-room" feel of JiveTalk. BeeJive, should continue to stay at the top - and don't get complacent because competition may eventually catch up - you've got a huge time margin because of software development cycles, but keep improving the BeeJive product without turning it to mobile bloatware like certain competitor clients are.

#1 - JiveTalk 1.0.2 (by a huge margin)
#2 - IM+ Version 4.x (very stable)
#3 - RIM chat clients (Google Talk and BB Messenger)

(Not even in my top 3: IM+ Version 5, still in beta)
We have 3 BlackBerries here, and some of them have all the above installed.
 
yeah i am enjoying it everyday! i always tell my friends about it.


By the way, i m not sure if thats you or not, your a jeeper? rockcrawlin?? i saw somewhere in here and pic of your CJ.

Later
YOMAN!
 
Mark Rejhon, Yeah someone already created thread called JiveTalk - new IM for BB devices before you create this. His thread and this should merge one thread and one topic. ;)

Anyway, I currently am Yak-on user, however I am on jivetalk for trial of 30days as give a try. Now I have been on jivetalk, 6 days left since sept 22.

I entitle my opinion of beejive. Jivetalk is look more like trillain program. its more charm! I compare Yak-On to Jivetalk, JT is best multi-IM client programs, strongly reliable, always connect: very rare disconnect itself (when there is no coverage in area or conflict between devices and montior machines in buliding.), the best IM's feature ever!

I had tested different Multi IM programs on BB since 2/2007. My result that JT is best IM client programs. JIVE TALK IS TRILLIAN KILLER! no kidding!

Overrall, I highly recommending to BB users getta JT programs, you will never feel regrets at all. trust me..
 
XBGMER said:
Mark Rejhon, Yeah someone already created thread called JiveTalk - new IM for BB devices before you create this. His thread and this should merge one thread and one topic. ;)

Anyway, I currently am Yak-on user, however I am on jivetalk for trial of 30days as give a try. Now I have been on jivetalk, 6 days left since sept 22.

I entitle my opinion of beejive. Jivetalk is look more like trillain program. its more charm! I compare Yak-On to Jivetalk, JT is best multi-IM client programs, strongly reliable, always connect: very rare disconnect itself (when there is no coverage in area or conflict between devices and montior machines in buliding.), the best IM's feature ever!

I had tested different Multi IM programs on BB since 2/2007. My result that JT is best IM client programs. JIVE TALK IS TRILLIAN KILLER! no kidding!

Overrall, I highly recommending to BB users getta JT programs, you will never feel regrets at all. trust me..
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YOU BET JIVETALK ROCKS!!!!!!! many more people are d/l it... smile
 
XBGMER said:
Mark Rejhon, Yeah someone already created thread called JiveTalk - new IM for BB devices before you create this. His thread and this should merge one thread and one topic. ;)
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Oops! :bowdown: Thanks for pointing that out. :)

Either way, I think the statute of limitations has expired: That other thread has been dead for a long time. So I think I'm scots-free. I hope. This should become the new Official AllDeaf JiveTalk thread.
 
get an idea of what JT look like..

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I can see statue of My ole skool friend currently use sidekick.

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I check my bio-sister's statue show me, she use her sidekick.

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I check my good friend'statue tell tell me that she using her Blackberry.

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I, myself, tested it , see that I can check my BB statue included their statues by AIM on PC

BB and PC are alike.
 
Update: Jivetalk 1.03 Now Available

beejive :: JiveTalk mobile messaging

JiveTalk™ for BlackBerry® 1.0.3 Now Available!

JiveTalk™ Key Benefits:
•Desktop-like instant messaging to all of your IM buddies from a single intuitive user interface
•Save on your text messaging plan - JiveTalk™ uses your existing data plan, no per-message charges
•Reliable and efficient networking - you can be connected 24/7, and it's gentle on your battery


JiveTalk™ for BlackBerry Features:
•Multiple IM networks, multiple accounts per network: AIM®/iChat, MSN®, Yahoo!®, GoogleTalk®, ICQ®, Jabber, and MySpace IM
•Automatically reconnects in case of data service disruption, including phone calls, loss of cell coverage
•Real-time chats, quick switch between multiple simultaneous chats, intuitive chat interface:
- customizable chat skins, emoticons
- click to browse, call, send an email or PIN message directly from the chat screen
- full Unicode support, chat in any language supported by your BlackBerry®
•Manage your buddy-list, including add/remove, nicknames, groups, block, approve/deny requests
•Control your own availability, set auto-away and custom status messages, be invisible, change privacy controls
•Configurable alerts, fully integrates with your BlackBerry® alerts profiles:
- customizable sound, vibrate, and LED settings, optional global popup on new messages
- buddy pounce alerts you when specific buddies come online
•File transfers - send or receive files directly from your BlackBerry (8100/8300/8800 Series only), currently supports transfers on AIM® and MSN®.
•Conversation history - view or email past chats
•Full 128-bit encryption of all over-the-air data transmission
•Automatically detects best network transport option, supports BES/MDS, BIS-B, and Direct TCP.

Enjoy with JiveTalk on your BB! ;)
 
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