Is this an isolated incident?

Darn..

My local media still haven't mentioned it yet. :( Thanks for the updates.
I think it is covered mostly in Charleston and Tampa local news, and by Fox News national. Things were quiet in the news today; I think the FBI is still analyzing what they found.
 
I'll check the websites regularly from now. I'm sure it takes time to ensure the FBI is processing it right.
 
Reba when they were arrested all personal effects were likely confiscated so when they were taken into custody they had to ask for another Koran and a prayer rug from an approved source, as their own are probably part of the contents taken from the initial search warrant as evidence. That is entirely possible.

But as for everything else it does look very suspicious. The news keeps saying that Chertoff keeps saying he has a gut feeling that something is up since we have not been under attack in recent years (since 9/11)

They keep looking primarily at the airports, but I am more concerned about an attack on a major US highway such as I-40 near a large metropolitan area, somewhere they could incur alot of damage and damage part of the infrastructure that allows people and goods to move across the country. I would say where a good hit w\could take place but I dont want to give any lurking terrorists any ideas. :eek:

As for the laptop that does make me curious especially if he did close it quickly when he got stopped. They likely could have taken the laptop as well as evidence in the search warrant. When they go to court the laptop will come up.
 
I found out today that their local lawyer is Andy Savage. He has a reputation around here for defending "lost causes", such as drunk drivers who are caught in the act. He takes a lot of the cases that no one else will touch. He is well known in this area.
 
Update:

Explosive indictment

Florida college students could face prison if convicted
By James Scott
The Post and Courier
Saturday, September 1, 2007

Florida college students could face prison if convicted

A federal grand jury in Tampa indicted two University of South Florida students, arrested last month during a traffic stop in Goose Creek, on charges of transporting explosives without a permit, according to a copy of the indictment unsealed Friday.

One of the men also is charged with distributing information about building and using an explosive device, a terrorism-related charge, but authorities wouldn't say if the students planned to use the explosives in an attack.

Ahmed Mohamed and Youssef Megahed face a maximum of 10 years in prison if convicted of transporting explosives. Mohamed also faces a possible 20 years in prison if convicted of distributing information about explosives.

Berkeley County sheriff's investigators arrested the two Egyptian men after discovering what was described as a pipe bomb in the trunk of their car during a traffic stop Aug. 4 on U.S. Highway 176 near the Charleston Naval Weapons Station in Goose Creek. Authorities, who also seized a laptop computer, charged the men two days later in state court with possession of explosives.

Federal authorities shared little new information on the charges Friday, declining to comment beyond what was contained in the three-page indictment. When asked if the men were involved in planning a terrorism attack, U.S. Department of Justice Spokesman Bryan Sierra said only that "no plot was alleged in the indictment."

"Anytime you have an explosives charge like this there is a reason for concern," said Sierra, who declined to characterize or comment on the nature of the charges. "It merited further investigation."

Charleston attorney Lionel Lofton, who was retained Wednesday to represent Mohamed, said his client planned to plead not guilty. Lofton also said he has not yet had access to the evidence against his client, who remains in the Berkeley County jail along with Megahed.

"They are very serious charges, and we take them very seriously," Lofton said. "I don't believe he has done anything wrong. Based on my review of everything to date, I don't think there is a criminal violation."

Attorney Andy Savage, who represents Megahed, also said that he was disappointed that authorities had not shared any of the evidence, which he requested immediately after the arrest. "They have been playing their cards close to the chest," said Savage, adding that he hoped people would reserve judgment. "We're in for a fight."

...Ninth Circuit Solicitor Scarlett Wilson said she expected her office to dismiss state charges and turn over prosecution to federal attorneys. Like the others, she declined to comment on the specifics of the evidence, including the amount of explosives found in the car.

"There's no scientific definition of a pipe bomb," Wilson said. "The issue for us was whether or not they were designed to propel material in the air or to explode. That required a testing of the materials in the devices and also a replication of the devices."

Kevin McDonald, spokesman with the U.S. Attorney's Office in Columbia, said the case involved coordination between authorities in South Carolina, Florida and Washington. McDonald would not comment on the evidence or the charges, noting only that the charges are felonies.

After their arrest, the men told authorities they were on a weekend road trip to North Carolina. They said the devices in their trunk were made from fireworks purchased from a Wal-Mart, but Berkeley County Sheriff Wayne DeWitt has said the devices were not fireworks.

The indictments come after searches of a home in a Tampa suburb, where authorities carried away items belonging to Mohamed, as well as a storage facility and a park. This week, the grand jury, which has been hearing testimony in the case, sent a subpoena to Savage's office for DNA and hair samples from Megahed.

More information could come out during a court hearing for the men, possibly as early as next week.

Mohamed was described by federal authorities as a graduate student studying civil engineering at the University of South Florida. He also is described as being either 24 or 26 years old and a teaching assistant at the University of South Florida. Megahed, 21, was described as an engineering student.

Megahed is being held on $300,000 bail. Mohamed's bail is $500,000.

DeWitt said he expected the two to be moved eventually to the Navy brig in Hanahan, where federal enemy combatants have been held, but so far no federal authorities had been in touch with him about it.

DeWitt said the two men are in cells by themselves, separated from the general population, but have had some contact with each other at times, including during mandated yard exercise.

"They haven't had a lot to say," DeWitt said. "They haven't given us any problems."

Explosive indictment
 
Interesting. What's the latest on this?

I don't know about the rest of Europe but here in England there was a soap that included a muslim blowing himself up in a crowded bus station. It was never aired because it might 'cause offence'. Instead the scene has been changed to an animal rights activist blowing themselves up. No animal rights activist has gone this far so I guess it's ok to offend us in this manner.
 
The two guys have been moved to Tampa. The state of South Carolina has dropped its local charges in order to allow the Federal government to pursue its case at the Federal level.

In an interview with the arresting officer, he stated that the two suspects' stories kept changing when he was questioning them.

Also, in addition to the "fireworks" found in the car trunk, they had a box of bullets.
 
"Editorial" by Reba:

I've noticed that most second generation immigrants (such as from India or Japan, for example) become very "Amercanized" in a short time. The children of immigrants want to become Americans, want to "melt" into the pot, so to speak.

I've seen the photos of Megahed's dad. Dad dresses "American", and is clean shaven in the "American" style. One would expect his son to be even more "Americanized."

However, both "students" are wearing beards, and look less "Americanized" then the immigrant father. It's like they are relating more to Arab culture (and perspective?) than to American culture (and perspective).

Just a curious observation.
 
"Editorial" by Reba:

I've noticed that most second generation immigrants (such as from India or Japan, for example) become very "Amercanized" in a short time. The children of immigrants want to become Americans, want to "melt" into the pot, so to speak.

I've seen the photos of Megahed's dad. Dad dresses "American", and is clean shaven in the "American" style. One would expect his son to be even more "Americanized."

However, both "students" are wearing beards, and look less "Americanized" then the immigrant father. It's like they are relating more to Arab culture (and perspective?) than to American culture (and perspective).

Just a curious observation.

That's an overly broad generalization. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't become integrated with American culture quickly. "Most" makes it sound like almost every second-gen immigant desires it - but I would argue that it's far more granular than that -- there are many aspects of America that many immigrants and even Americans dislike and don't want to integrate into their lives. For example, partying, sexual promiscuity, sports, swearing, wearing "hip" clothes, having "hip" hairstyles, watching TV, dating.

So where do you draw the line at "wanting to be American?" Is it when you accept one thing different from your native culture? Some things? Many things? All things, and shun your native culture?

How would you classify an Indian woman who believes in all traditional Indian things except for arranged marriages? Or an Islamic woman who believes in the ultra-hardline interpretation of covering oneself completely, but still believes in Women's lib and the right to choose the kind of work she does?



I don't think appearance has a dang thing to do with classifying someone as identifying more with any culture. It's EASY to think so, but I think if you rely on that to decide, "Yeah, that guy has to be a terrorist -- look at the way he dresses!" then you're really letting the terrorists win.
 
Update:

September 13, 2007
Prosecutors to show evidence at USF students' hearing


TAMPA -- Federal prosecutors have filed a motion for permission to use a laptop during the bond hearing Friday for two University of South Florida students facing explosives charges.

"The United States is planning to present evidence at the hearing through the use of a laptop computer," says the motion, filed this morning in federal court. "The use of the computer will facilitate in the government's presentation."

Prosecutors have declined to speak about their preparations for the case against suspended USF students Youssef Megahed, 21, and Ahmed Mohamed, 26, or say what they will present in court.

"We're not going to comment outside of the courtroom proceedings or what's in the findings," said Jay Trezevant, a spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office in Tampa.

The men remain at a Hillsborough County jail in solitary confinement. A lieutenant at the Falkenburg Road Jail said today that Mohamed continues to defy jail rules by not wearing his wristband. The violation means he isn't allowed to have certain privileges, like receiving mail or visitors.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Elizabeth A. Jenkins will likely discuss appointing a federal public defender for Megahed at the start of Friday's hearing. Mohamed's Charleston, S.C., attorney, Lionel Lofton, is arriving in Tampa today and plans to represent Mohamed on Friday in court.

Breaking News | tampabay.com - St. Petersburg Times and tbt*
 
Update (9/15/2007):

The evidence

Items confiscated from the car carrying Youssef Megahed and Ahmed Mohamed, who were arrested in Goose Creek on Aug. 4 and charged with violating explosives laws:

Three pieces of PVC piping that were filled with a mixture of potassium nitrate, corn syrup and cat box litter.

An electric drill, a box of .22-caliber cartridges, a five-gallon container partially filled with gasoline and 23 feet of safety fuse.

...A federal prosecutor said Friday that a laptop computer found in a car stopped in Goose Creek while carrying explosives contained video of the driver demonstrating how to turn a radio-controlled car into a remote-control detonator.

Ahmed Mohamed has admitted that he is the person heard explaining on the video that such a detonator could "save one who wants to be a martyr for another battle," federal prosecutor Jay Hoffer said in a Florida courtroom, according to a report on tampabay.com by The St. Petersburg Times.

Hoffer also told a judge that the computer had been used to visit Web sites about "rifles, weaponry, about the conflict in the Middle East, jihadists."

...Megahed denied knowing any of the materials were in the vehicle, but in a secretly recorded conversation between Megahed and Mohamed while they were in the back of a patrol car during their arrest, Hoffer said Megahed "asked Mr. Mohamed pointedly, 'What did you tell them about the gas canister?' "

Lowcountry terror case deepens
 
Where are they?

There are those who say that the war in Iraq/Afghanistan will prevent terrorist attacks in the United States.

There are those who say that the United States is already a major breeding ground for terrorists.

I don't want to find out who is right.
 
Update:

Homeland Security watches for toys

Notice on remote control devices not linked to Mohamed video, officials say
By Ron Menchaca
The Post and Courier
Tuesday, October 2, 2007

One week after the release of court documents in which an Egyptian student facing terrorism charges admitted to making a how-to video for building a bomb detonator from a remote control toy, Homeland Security officials announced that airline passengers may be scrutinized for carrying such devices in their bags.

Federal officials said the notice is based on information from a National Intelligence Estimate released in July and is not associated with the explosives case or any specific threats.

U.S. Department of Homeland Security officials said Monday that remote control toys may be subject to additional security screening because the government "is aware that remote control toys can be used to initiate devices used in terrorist attacks."

These items should be packed in checked baggage, the announcement said.

In court documents released last week, Ahmed Mohamed told authorities he made an Internet video showing how to convert a remote control toy car into a bomb detonator to "assist those persons in Arabic countries to defend themselves against the infidels invading their countries." He said he "considered American troops, and those military forces fighting with the American military, to be invaders of Arab countries."

Mohamed, 26, and Youssef Megahed, 21, face federal charges of illegally transporting bomb materials through Goose Creek on Aug. 4. The 12-minute video was found on a laptop belonging to Mohamed. The computer's hard drive also contained bomb-related documents as well as evidence that the video was posted to the video sharing Web site YouTube.

In the video, Mohamed speaks Arabic with an Egyptian accent as he disassembles a remote-controlled toy car. Wearing a white shirt, khaki pants and rubber gloves, he demonstrates how the toy is built and operated and how far the car can travel via radio frequency from the remote control.

The Transportation Security Administration, which issued Monday's security notice, waved off any connection between the explosives case and the heightened security measures. "This is not tied to any specific time line or plot," TSA spokesman Jon Allen said.
charleston.net
 
Now, that is serious. I want to know what car toy looks like.
 
Now, that is serious. I want to know what car toy looks like.
They didn't show a picture of that particular one. But any RC (radio controlled) car/plane/boat toy can be used. They are very popular toys. Some have adjustable frequencies.
 
They didn't show a picture of that particular one. But any RC (radio controlled) car/plane/boat toy can be used. They are very popular toys. Some have adjustable frequencies.


I've seen the Mythbusters did numerous projects on remote controlled toys. They even can use real boats, trucks and cars! :O I definitely think the terrorists will use them in the future. This is not good.
 
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