Frisky Feline
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jun 2, 2003
- Messages
- 26,316
- Reaction score
- 88
Same here......
DITTO here. No way for me to use SEE. *thud* wait a min THUD-ING in SEE.
Same here......
DITTO here. No way for me to use SEE. *thud* wait a min THUD-ING in SEE.
I guess the best way to describe this is: When trying to explain sign to a hearing friend how do you do it. You can't start with the position of objects(subjects) because that is too advanced(even for educated people). You can't start with finger spelling either because that takes too long. You have to start with simple signs using Engish grammar. In other words, signing English. Given enough time, you could explain ASL, but there isn't enough time. Is that not the same as non-formal SEE or Pidgin?
Then take that a step further and have the two people be deaf.
But you are not talking about SEE, are you?
SEE is a formal thing for language instruction and quite complicated.
I think you are talking about PSE.
Glad you got the right ITP. I am shocked to learn that some people learn SEE first then ASL. It is going to be harder on them, and they may struggle for the rest of their life.
I started with SEE before ASL. I'm fine today.
In fact, I didn't know about the concept of ASL until I was 23.
There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
I do believe that learning to read (silently) and write in English is good skill if you are planning to work in the US job market, but I really don't get the use of SEE.
How do you get your students to read silently if they can't hear you speak the instructions of reading? That is the whole point of sign(SEE/ASL), to create communication for learning. Not every child can learn from spoken language, they need visual aid.
It doesn't matter if they can't hear in order to read silently. How do you think non-oral ASL signing Deaf professors with PhD's at Gallaudet learned how to read English silently and write English fluently? They are competent in those skills and cannot hear the spoken nuances of English. If they were not competent it these skills, they would most certainly not have PhD's and be tenured professors at the doctoral level.
I spent a semester interning in a teaching practicum at a community-based early childhood deaf education center that happened to use SEE exclusively during instruction. For toddlers and young children under 5, it is largely developmentally inappropriate. The vocabulary words are one thing, but SEE also has ways of using hands & signs to denote apostrophes, etc. Using those in a visual sense other than printed English is abstract and that is why it is developmentally inappropriate. Kids under a certain age will not pick up on the ways of signing that denote contractions such as the word "it's" for example, and recognize that, internalize that or connect that with the printed "it's". Learning the rules of grammar formally through instruction the way ESL kids learn them, once the kids are old enough to benefit from that, would be a better tool to explain the instructions of reading than SEE. For younger kids, the more print you expose them to, the easier time they will have with learning to read written English and understand those concepts that are being described through English.
How do you get your students to read silently if they can't hear you speak the instructions of reading? That is the whole point of sign(SEE/ASL), to create communication for learning. Not every child can learn from spoken language, they need visual aid.
I guess the best way to describe this is: When trying to explain sign to a hearing friend how do you do it. You can't start with the position of objects(subjects) because that is too advanced(even for educated people). You can't start with finger spelling either because that takes too long. You have to start with simple signs using Engish grammar. In other words, signing English. Given enough time, you could explain ASL, but there isn't enough time. Is that not the same as non-formal SEE or Pidgin?
Then take that a step further and have the two people be deaf.
what? the easiest route would be a written communication.SEE II is taught in schools. Because of this, the majority of younger deaf will know it. Does anyone know if PSE is taught in school?
The problem is the relearning process. People are not going to learn a new language when there is no one with whom to communicate. The fact is deaf meet far more deaf than Deaf so ASL is not a priority.
The problem to be solved is immediate communication.
In the end, cell phone transcription is probably the best solution. Signing would make it easier, but both sides need to understand the language.
People always take the easiest route first, it's human nature.