Is it Offensive to Talk while among a Deaf crowd?

Cheri said:
Why do they must know their conversation? Do you stare at hearing people at a restaurant trying to figure out what they're talking about? Why do deaf signers must know what the two people are talking about when they're sitting by themselves together? It's a public place, there's no rules that you cannot have a private conversation out at any public places.
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Exactly. "Private conversation" doesn't necessarily mean you go off to some private spot and have a conversation in order to be "private."

Sigh.

It's a conversation between two people. It's pretty apparent when one says "private conversation" is to mean that the conversation is between two people in this example I've presented.

So, I guess people are saying that it's ok to watch other people sign and talk then? Pretty ironic seeing how it happened the other way around when a couple of Deaf people signing at a table actually asked one Deaf person to please not stare and observe their conversations since it was considered rude to do that. Now I'm hearing it's ok to do that?

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Again, conversations between two individual is just that. Conversation between two individuals and it's really none of other people's business to know what's being said. Simply put.
 
Daredevel7 said:
Understandable.... although, I am KINDA tempted to go there and start talking, just to see what happens.. :D

Yes I AM evil like that.
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Try doing it with a cell phone.

Of course, I did that but that was an incoming call and I was alone that time in the on campus near the food court. I wasn't about to run off and hide, either, for fear I might "offend" somebody.
 
kokonut said:
Exactly. "Private conversation" doesn't necessarily mean you go off to some private spot and have a conversation in order to be "private."

Sigh.

It's a conversation between two people. It's pretty apparent when one says "private conversation" is to mean that the conversation is between two people in this example I've presented.

So, I guess people are saying that it's ok to watch other people sign and talk then? Pretty ironic seeing how it happened the other way around when a couple of Deaf people signing at a table actually asked one Deaf person to please not stare and observe their conversations since it was considered rude to do that. Now I'm hearing it's ok to do that?

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Again, conversations between two individual is just that. Conversation between two individuals and it's really none of other people's business to know what's being said. Simply put.
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Oh, then why does my hubby come home telling me stories of funny conversations between hearing people on the DC Metro? I just asked him if that it was rude, he said "HUH...they are talking out loud for everyone to hear."

Well, Deaf people cant do anything right..nothing new under the sun.
 
shel90 said:
Two people
Private conversation
Go someplace private...

Same with two signers who want to have a private conversation...they go someplace private to carry on their conversation..


Same for two hearing people who want to have a private conversation..they go someplace private so other hearing people wont overhear their conversations.

If two people want a private conversation but have it among deaf signers knowing that they wont understand their conversation, that's taking advantage of their deafness which goes beyond rude..it is offensive.
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It is not! It is having a conversation. I am not saying it is a secret conversation, but it is between two people and it shouldn't matter WHO is around, it is between them!
 
Cheri said:
Why do they must know their conversation? Do you stare at hearing people at a restaurant trying to figure out what they're talking about? Why do deaf signers must know what the two people are talking about when they're sitting by themselves together? It's a public place, there's no rules that you cannot have a private conversation out at any public places.
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But hearing people can eavesdrop on other hearing people's conversations without them being aware of it, can they? They do it often cuz I get so many of them telling me what other hearing people are saying. I was jogging with my hearing friend and we ran past another pair of joggers chatting and she told me that they were talking trash about men and proceed to tell me what they said.

Deaf people need to "see" but "staring" is rude in this American culture so. How does one know when a hearing person "stare" with his/her ears? :hmm:
 
faire_jour said:
It is not! It is having a conversation. I am not saying it is a secret conversation, but it is between two people and it shouldn't matter WHO is around, it is between them!
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Well, apparently all of my hearing friends are very rude people for they share what they have overheard from time to time at public places. I will tell them the next time that they are being rude.
 
Then how do hearing children acquire language if it is rude to overhear what people are saying around them? :hmm:

Isnt that how language is acquired?

How do people learn about what's going on around them? Do people constantly block their ears 100% of the time to prevent from overhearing conversations that are happening around them all the time?
 
faire_jour said:
It is not! It is having a conversation. I am not saying it is a secret conversation, but it is between two people and it shouldn't matter WHO is around, it is between them!
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I don't know what culture you're from, but it is considered rude here not to speak the language of the majority. If you're out in public, you are expected to speak English. If you are in Quebec, you are expected to speak French. If you go to a German settlement colony, you are expected to speak in German or a language close to it like Dutch.

I know you used your Japanese example, but here it doesn't happen because they keep their languages to the home, restaurants, temples and grocery stores.

Also here, what you say or do is open to EVERYONE. There is no such thing as privacy unless you go to a private place.
 
souggy said:
I don't know what culture you're from, but it is considered rude here not to speak the language of the majority. If you're out in public, you are expected to speak English. If you are in Quebec, you are expected to speak French. If you go to a German settlement colony, you are expected to speak in German or a language close to it like Dutch.

I know you used your Japanese example, but here it doesn't happen because they keep their languages to the home, restaurants, temples and grocery stores.
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She is from the hearing culture...
 
faire_jour said:
As an adult, I choose not to listen. It is called being polite.
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And as a Deaf person, I chose not to watch someone's conversations in ASL. You have that priviledge and I should have the same at Gallaudet University.
 
souggy said:
I don't know what culture you're from, but it is considered rude here not to speak the language of the majority. If you're out in public, you are expected to speak English. If you are in Quebec, you are expected to speak French. If you go to a German settlement colony, you are expected to speak in German or a language close to it like Dutch.

I know you used your Japanese example, but here it doesn't happen because they keep their languages to the home, restaurants, temples and grocery stores.
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I'm from America. I have spent time in Ohio, Utah and California. I have worked in customer service in those places, and yes, if I'm waiting tables on two Japanese people, when I walk up to them, they would often be conversing in their native tongue. That is normal.
 
There is a difference between picking up a conversation accidentally versus something you do on purpose to gain what's being discussed between two individuals having a private conversation. Not a hard concept to see this.

Again, this all boils down between two individuals having a conversation privvy only to two of them and not about inviting the whole world to listen in on their conversations.

Bottom line, it is rude to pick up other people conversations without them knowing, Deaf or hearing. To stare I am to mean for a person to watch a conversation on purpose...uninvited.
 
shel90 said:
And as a Deaf person, I chose not to watch someone's conversations in ASL. You have that priviledge and I should have the same at Gallaudet University.
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Even if it means another person is not free to express themselves in their chosen mode of communication. Your right to eavesdrop is more important than their ability to express their thoughts and feelings?
 
shel90 said:
She is from the hearing culture...
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Heh... I am starting to find out more and more there are different social norms between Americans and Canadians. Before I thought they were the same. However even then, i am finding that different part of the States have different social norms as well.
 
Part of Hearing culture or not?

Observing the World Blog Archive Overhearing Conversations

I sit here at one of my favorite coffee shop (for more about people watching at coffee shops, see ), putting in a last cram-in session for a test tomorrow. Of course in these settings when your sitting in one spot for an extended period of time in a relatively quiet environment, you can’t help but to hear a couple of conversations near to you. In my experiences, it’s crazy how many times I have overheard conversations on how someone has pissed the other person off. Tonight was a pretty solid one. Although I didn’t hear the whole thing, because honestly I don’t try to listen in on them, but apparently a girl had a little too much to drink the other night and went off about this other girl is an *expletive*, who apparently is one of her good friends, and the two friends that are talking about it are just roasting this girl for being a two-faced liar, how no one even liked her in the first place (which is a phrase said quite often in my experiences). Anyway, the two were pretty heated about it, and it made for good side entertainment for my studying. If you have a good overheard story, feel free to chime in.

Until Next Time,


:hmm:

More links about people's experiences with overhearign conversations...


Man, I love overhearing conversations - AbsolutePunk.net



Global Voices Online Ethiopia: Overhearing conversations


overhearing conversation at work -- someone just called Hastert a senator - Democratic Underground

Iam not stupid..
 
kokonut said:
There is a difference between picking up a conversation accidentally versus something you do on purpose to gain what's being discussed between two individuals having a private conversation. Not a hard concept to see this.

Again, this all boils down between two individuals having a conversation privvy only to two of them and not about inviting the whole world to listen in on their conversations.

Bottom line, it is rude to pick up other people conversations without them knowing, Deaf or hearing. To stare I am to mean for a person to watch a conversation on purpose...uninvited.
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Exactly so people at Gallaudet are not purposely out there to watch everyone's conversations but why would two people who know sign language purposely not sign there?
 
shel90 said:
Exactly so people at Gallaudet are not purposely out there to watch everyone's conversations but why would two people who know sign language purposely not sign there?
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Define "know".

I am currently taking ASL level 2 and can hold a simple conversation in ASL. If I have lunch with a hearing friend on Gally campus, should I force myself to talk to her in sign even though I can't really convey what I really want to say, making the conversation "simple" or can I talk to her and actually say what I want to say?

Sometimes I am signing to my deaf friend, and I get frustrated because I want to say something a bit more complicated, and I take FOREVER to fingerspell, so sometimes I just say the word. He can lipread me, so most (if not all) of the time, hes like "Oh yea okay got it."

At Gally, do I have to fingerspell it?
 
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