Is it ever ok for kids NOT to use ASL?

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Daredevel7 said:
Whoa whoa.. back up... beep beep beep.

You guys honestly think that most of the time parents choose oralism JUST because they are too lazy to learn ASL?

-Wanting their child to be "normal"
-Belief that if they can speak they get more opportunities
-Trying to bring out the best in their child

and so on. I understand those but... out of laziness? I'm sure there's a few parents like that but most of them? Come on......
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U tell me...


I have heard of all kinds of excuses why they wont learn ASL, including from my own parents.
 
And you also have a deaf brother as well!

What was your parents excuse?
 
faire_jour said:
And I do. I was a stay at home mom until she started Kindergarten. I am merely saying that learning ASL and being involved in the Deaf community takes a small percentage of the effort that AV does. Speech and oral takes real time and work. The rest didn't. I certified at state level for interpreting when she was 4. That means it took 2 years to be "fluent", of course, I still learn more everyday and will never stop gain more skill. But really, it was nothing compared to what I have to do every single day to help her learn spoken language. Do not think that oral parents choose it because it is easier than ASL.

(By the way, we just got back from spending the evening at an indoor amusement park for kids with her Deaf best friend. Believe me, no one who knew me would ever accuse me of being a lazy or unconnected parent)
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Does the fact that her learning spoken language requires such a monumental effort and undue amount of time tell you anything?
 
Byrdie714 said:
And you also have a deaf brother as well!

What was your parents excuse?
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They relied on me to interpret for him and as a result, it became a very very bad habit.

When I got older and my brother started asking them why they wont learn...


"No time"

"No money"

"Too hard"

now, the excuse is that..

"nobody to use it with"


My brother and I gave up a long time ago and just try our best to conform to their communication needs
AS adults, that's fine but for children especially those who couldnt develop oral skills...come on!
 
Daredevel7 said:
Whoa whoa.. back up... beep beep beep.

You guys honestly think that most of the time parents choose oralism JUST because they are too lazy to learn ASL?

-Wanting their child to be "normal"
-Belief that if they can speak they get more opportunities
-Trying to bring out the best in their child

and so on. I understand those but... out of laziness? I'm sure there's a few parents like that but most of them? Come on......
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Who said anything about lazy? I said parents use excuses not to learn it. Not the same thing at all.
 
jillio said:
Does the fact that her learning spoken language requires such a monumental effort and undue amount of time tell you anything?
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Effort by me, but that's my job. I'm the mom, I need to make the effort so that she will have the best opportunites to succeed.
 
faire_jour said:
How about "What were your parents' reasons?" or "....your parents' explanation?"
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I think that isn't fair to ask us especially older ADers because at that time in 1980's (in my time)... it wasn't well-understood. and CI was just released.
 
faire_jour said:
Effort by me, but that's my job. I'm the mom, I need to make the effort so that she will have the best opportunites to succeed.
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Funny, it doesn't take that much effort to drill sign into her. :hmm: Just like it doesn't take effort for a hearing kid to acquire spoken language.
Perhaps the effort required is not only by you but for you, as well.
 
faire_jour said:
Effort by me, but that's my job. I'm the mom, I need to make the effort so that she will have the best opportunites to succeed.
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How it is harder on the mom? It is harder on the children because we are the ones who have the hearing loss!
 
faire_jour said:
I don't understand....
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You're asking us what was our parents' reason/explanation but don't you notice that most of us were born in 80's and before? CI didn't exist at that time. Deaf education wasn't well-understood. Deaf was considered as "deaf and dumb" - a powerful stigma.
 
shel90 said:
How it is harder on the mom? It is harder on the children because we are the ones who have the hearing loss!
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All she does is play and listen. I provide constant quality auditory information that is both interesting, developmentally appropriate, but also appropriate for level of functioning auditorially. We don't do drills, tests, or "speech exercises" ever.

For example, today at the grocery store we went through the produce aisles and talked about all the fruit and vegetable. We talked about the colors, sizes, and her preferences about what to buy. I played dumb as to what she wanted so she would correct me. Just stuff like that. It isn't hard for her at all. That is why she likes it and why she is doing so well.
 
shel90 said:
"No time"

"No money"

"Too hard"

now, the excuse is that..

"nobody to use it with"
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I think most hearing people don't really understand how much deaf children miss out so that's a BIG problem.
 
Jiro said:
You're asking us what was our parents' reason/explanation but don't you notice that most of us were born in 80's and before? CI didn't exist at that time. Deaf education wasn't well-understood. Deaf was considered as "deaf and dumb" - a powerful stigma.
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I just wanted to suggest you consider re-wording the phrase. "excuse" is a loaded word.
 
netrox said:
I think most hearing people don't really understand how much deaf children miss out so that's a BIG problem.
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No, they don't. That is why I suggested to faire_jour last night that she go to one of the websites that offers it and listen to a simulation of what is missed at the mild, moderate, severe, and profound ranges. Even a mild loss means that a great deal is missed. Most parents seem to think,"oh, a mild loss. That's nothing!"
 
faire_jour said:
All she does is play and listen. I provide constant quality auditory information that is both interesting, developmentally appropriate, but also appropriate for level of functioning auditorially. We don't do drills, tests, or "speech exercises" ever.

For example, today at the grocery store we went through the produce aisles and talked about all the fruit and vegetable. We talked about the colors, sizes, and her preferences about what to buy. I played dumb as to what she wanted so she would correct me. Just stuff like that. It isn't hard for her at all. That is why she likes it and why she is doing so well.
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:hmm: I would be very interested in seeing how she manages in actual uncontrolled hearing environment. For ie - hearing school.
 
Jiro said:
:hmm: I would be very interested in seeing how she manages in actual uncontrolled hearing environment. For ie - hearing school.
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The grocery store is an uncontrolled hearing enviroment. It has quite a bit of backgroud noise.

But in school she would have an FM that would put the teacher's voice directly into her CI and hearing aid.
 
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