Is anyone who had this experienced seeing Jesus?

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I beleive.....that when someone has a disability like being retarded, brain damage, or even having DOWN syndrome.. its a protection.

It is hard for Satan to tempt them eh? thus.. they have eternal life. they were able to come to this earth and gain a body but satan cannot tempt them. They are pure- They are the choicest spirits who were valliant in the pre existance. They are protected by their disability.

Penni
 
Heath said:
Hi Momoftwo,

Here is where Jesus Christ healed all kinds of people and it would have been natural for Jesus Christ to heal a mentally retarded person. Here is the Biblical verse concerning this ....Please read the whole chapter and as you read the last couple of verses in the end you will notice something very clearly. ( Verse 24-25 )

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=50&chapter=21&version=9&context=chapter
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Yeah, I noticed two things -- number one, there has NEVER been any kind of mental retardation that has been "cured" by any known science nor by any kind of prayer or blessing. Let me know if you know something I don't. The bible certainly doesn't mention any mental diseases, just "casting out demons" which may have something to do with mental disease but we obviously can't know what.

Number two --

Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper,
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Obviously, Jesus was gay. One disciple "whom Jesus loved?" Yeah, explain that one away. He's supposed to love everyone, no matter what, yet the bible in several places writes this? Explain it away. After all, if it's been in the bible for all this time, obviously the only reason it was kept in was because there was some "non-gay" reason.
 
Hi Chirowife03:)

Thank you so much for your kind words!!:)

I have a huge faith in God and God got me started to read the Bible. He made me very happy and so peaceful. Yes, I shared my experience with so many people everywhere and it is pure love!:)

Momoftwo:)
 
Dennis said:
Yeah, I noticed two things -- number one, there has NEVER been any kind of mental retardation that has been "cured" by any known science nor by any kind of prayer or blessing. Let me know if you know something I don't. The bible certainly doesn't mention any mental diseases, just "casting out demons" which may have something to do with mental disease but we obviously can't know what.
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Jesus healed thousands of people during His earthly ministry. We really don't know all the ailments and conditions that He healed. The Bible gives us only a few examples.

It is also possible that He didn't "heal" some people because they didn't consider their conditions to be "handicaps" that required healing. In some cultures, some birth "defects" are considered marks of a special spiritual power. Just like now, many Deaf people would say they don't need "healing" because their deafness is their cultural identity, not a disease.

One more point. Many genetic diseases or birth defects that are common now were not so common long ago because the medical science was not available to keep these people alive thru adulthood. Therefore, many of them died before they were old enough to pass on their genes. For example, people who were born with diabetes usually died before adulthood, so they didn't pass on those genes.

On the other hand, diseases that were common during biblical times are not common now, such as leprosy.

Just food for thought. :)


Obviously, Jesus was gay. One disciple "whom Jesus loved?" Yeah, explain that one away. He's supposed to love everyone, no matter what, yet the bible in several places writes this? Explain it away. After all, if it's been in the bible for all this time, obviously the only reason it was kept in was because there was some "non-gay" reason.
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Your conclusion is way off-base on this one.

Jesus does love everyone, and He sacrificed His life for everyone. That is His spiritual (agape) love.

Jesus also had a brotherly (phileo) love for individuals with whom He shared beliefs and feelings. That has nothing to do with sexual (eros) love.

Jesus loved everyone but there were special people that He enjoyed spending time with, such as His close family and friends. What's wrong with that?

Think about it. Suppose you love all your family. But there are some members of your family that you enjoy having dinner with, and some you don't. It doesn't mean you don't love them; you just don't enjoy them (maybe they are boring, or argumentative, whatever).
 
Hi Reba:)

Yes!!!!! You said it all - very good explanations!!!:)

Momoftwo
 
Vamp-
If God and Jesus showed themselves to you- you would have no need to excercise faith. We are here to use faith-to remember what you knew before you came here.

Besides, they DID show themselves to someone on this earth- Joseph Smith. Look at all the crap he got becuase noone beleived him. He was eventually killed because of it. But, he DID see them. I KNOW he did.

My two cents-noone is playing games here except Satan who wishes you to see before you beleive. I see God and Christ all around me. In the goodness and love in the world. In the faith of NON SEEING beleivers. I FEEL them in my soul. How can someone love someone that does not exist? I have a genuine relationship, I know their charactors.

Anyway-I"m just in defense of the truth.

Penni
 
Momoftwo-

If you get the chance read the Book of Mormon too! it is another testiment of Jesus Christ. It goes hand in hand with the Bible. We use both the King James Version of the Bible and the Book of Mormon. I know it to be true.

And you're welcome!!!

Penni
 
Your conclusion is way off-base on this one.
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Well, you didn't answer my question. In the bible, it is written "the disciple Jesus loved." That is not a plural. If there was an plurality that could be applied to "everyone", either in a brotherly love or sexual term, there would be no need for the writers to write that in. John made a POINT to write the way he did. It's never identified who that "brother" is, either, to my searching.

Now, you said it was definitely a brotherly love. Why write then, that this person leaned on Jesus's chest? After all, we only read about a select few significant things about Jesus. You say he cured thousands of people but we only read a select few miracles. You say that there were some disciples that Jesus favored more than others, got along better with, though he loves them the same. That sounds more like a human than a God. One with human failings, not a godly son.

Eh, doesn't matter what I ask or say. chirowife03 said it all -- doesn't matter what the bible says, if you really truly believe then everything I say is equated with Satan tempting you to give up God. Can't compete with that mentality.
 
I just don't think that that kind of comment deserves any response.

Best Regards to you-

Penni
 
Dennis said:
Well, you didn't answer my question.
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Yes, I did.


In the bible, it is written "the disciple Jesus loved." That is not a plural.
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So? Why should it be plural? The reference is to that one disciple, describing him.

The apostle John had a close fellowship with Jesus. He was the apostle who was entrusted with the care of Jesus' mother at the time of His death (John 19:26, 27).


... John made a POINT to write the way he did. It's never identified who that "brother" is, either, to my searching.
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John is referring to himself.


Now, you said it was definitely a brotherly love. Why write then, that this person leaned on Jesus's chest?
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Why not? That was a common cultural phrase of that time. People lounged at their dinner "tables". The persons leaning close together for conversation showed that they had deep discussions together. "Leaning on the other's breast", or "in the bosom of Abraham", and other similar phrases, showed a close relationship of the hearts.


After all, we only read about a select few significant things about Jesus. You say he cured thousands of people but we only read a select few miracles. You say that there were some disciples that Jesus favored more than others, got along better with, though he loves them the same. That sounds more like a human than a God. One with human failings, not a godly son...
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How is it a "failing" just because everything was not written down? Most people don't even bother to read the whole Bible that we have. What point would it serve to publish a list of each and every person who was healed?

John 21:25
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. "

I didn't say that Jesus got along better with some people than others; some other people got along better with Jesus. It was their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, not His. That's the difference.
 
Dennis said:
...Eh, doesn't matter what I ask or say. chirowife03 said it all -- doesn't matter what the bible says, if you really truly believe then everything I say is equated with Satan tempting you to give up God. Can't compete with that mentality.
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I am curious. Why do you ask the questions that you ask? What do YOU say is your reason?
 
Hey, Dennis; I have enough confidence in my "manhood" to touch another guy without it being twisted into something else! Don't you?
 
John was Christs cousin and also whom baptized Him. Yes, they were close.

Penni
 
chirowife03 said:
John was Christs cousin and also whom baptized Him. Yes, they were close.

Penni
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No, that was John the Baptist and he was beheaded before he could write anything. Try again.
 
I am a Returned Missionary for the Latter Day Saint church, I did not go out to be a missionary unprepared. John the Baptist WAS Christs cousin and he baptized Him.

John "the beloved" or John the "revelator" as he was often referred to, was an Apostle. And he is one of the Apostles who we beleive is still alive on the earth today as he will not taste death in the flesh.

Thanks! :booty:
 
chirowife03 said:
Vamp-
If God and Jesus showed themselves to you- you would have no need to excercise faith. We are here to use faith-to remember what you knew before you came here.

Besides, they DID show themselves to someone on this earth- Joseph Smith. Look at all the crap he got becuase noone beleived him. He was eventually killed because of it. But, he DID see them. I KNOW he did.

My two cents-noone is playing games here except Satan who wishes you to see before you beleive. I see God and Christ all around me. In the goodness and love in the world. In the faith of NON SEEING beleivers. I FEEL them in my soul. How can someone love someone that does not exist? I have a genuine relationship, I know their charactors.

Anyway-I"m just in defense of the truth.

Penni
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How do you know he actually saw Him?
 
I know he saw them for several reasons:

A. I prayed about it and was answered.
B. I read the book of mormon- it is true, there is so much that makes sense and fits together so well with the Bible. There is no way some man wrote that. Could not have.
C. I live the principles of the church that he restored after seeing god and christ.
D. Joseph gave his life for his story-his story never waivered.
E. there are 12 million people today who knows his story is true-and know the same way I know, prayer.
F. His story is consistent with the Bible when a prophet spoke to God.
G. He had witnesses who saw the plates that God told him about. Witnesses to much of the miracles that were restored to this earth thru his visitation.
H. God and Christ are seperate individuals, one in purpose, as he saw.


You can know too, if you pray about it. James 1:5

Penni
 
For Katefields- thought you'd like to read it

Hi Katefields-

I'd thought you'd like to read this. Enjoy reading!:)

Momoftwo
 
Reba said:
Jesus did that almost 2,000 years ago, and still there were unbelievers. Thousands of people saw Jesus in the flesh, one-on-one, in small groups, and in large public groups. If people want to deny Jesus, they will do that no matter how much proof they have.
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FYI ... If Jesus is alive today, he would be 2005 years old. He died when he was 33 years old.
 
Momoftwo said:
Reba,

Oh ok.....I'm sorry that I assumed you of what I thought. Please forgive me. I understand that you can't comment on that because you have no idea that you never had your own dream experience with Jesus. But I'm sure that people are glad that others and I shared our experiences with others. It's really nice!! :D

Thanks! (smile)

Momoftwo
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Yes, it's true that I've enjoyed reading what you and others have had experiences. It was very interesting and thank you for share the stories.
 
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