Iranian leader demands US apology

[Liebling:-)))]

My view to first of both links -

Why should Obama apologize Ahmadinejad or Ahmadinejad apologize Obama when none of both are reponsible what they cause in the past?

If they both want peace then apologize each other for their countries to make peace each other.


And my view to second of both links -

His interview with German reporter is most positive and logical.

I disagree about his view on Holocaust issue but he has a good point when it comes to Israel. Why should the Arabs have to pay the price for Germany’s crimes against the Jews? It's EU's reponsiblity...

He didn't say anything to confirm or deny Holocaust but want to know the fact...

He correct the German reporter that it's not just 6 million jews in Nazi camp but including Germans and other races as well and also over 60 millions killed in WWII. Why just jews? True...

He didn't say anything for want to whip Israel out of the map...

It's very true that Iran never attack other countries to make war...

Why do the world media make him look like terrorist? To me, he is not threat or terrorist... It look like that Governments and media brainwash the people bad about him.

I German Reporter for open my mind about him...

 

[Jiro]

I only translate what the German wikipehdia wrote in your thread of yesterday what the word Zion mean is and why those word for.

You claim that Zion is racism... I have read but it didn't say anything about racism but something do with kind of zion religious... I explain what I read about, that's all and then let you know that I'm not an Expert to know everything about Zion. I'm learn from read Zion's history. What's your problem?

then do not correct me if you don't know anything about Zionism. I'm not an expert either. Just because you don't see anything about "racist" or "racism" in german wikipedia doesn't mean it isn't. It is subjective but to each own. It CAN foster racism in the right condition. But of course.... nothing about Israel's situation is easy to understand.

do you understand better now?

 

[DURAY]

many leftists at Columbia welcome the Iran president. Anyone who is the enmy of President Busy is always welcome by the left-wing crwod on campuses which received millions of federal tax dollars.
Campus Watch showed some example.
Holocaust deniers are some of the stupier/stupidest people in the world. God, I even cited David Irving's book once before I realized it..

My view to first of both links -

Why should Obama apologize Ahmadinejad or Ahmadinejad apologize Obama when none of both are reponsible what they cause in the past?

If they both want peace then apologize each other for their countries to make peace each other.


And my view to second of both links -

His interview with German reporter is most positive and logical.

I disagree about his view on Holocaust issue but he has a good point when it comes to Israel. Why should the Arabs have to pay the price for Germany’s crimes against the Jews? It's EU's reponsiblity...

He didn't say anything to confirm or deny Holocaust but want to know the fact...

He correct the German reporter that it's not just 6 million jews in Nazi camp but including Germans and other races as well and also over 60 millions killed in WWII. Why just jews? True...

He didn't say anything for want to whip Israel out of the map...

It's very true that Iran never attack other countries to make war...

Why do the world media make him look like terrorist? To me, he is not threat or terrorist... It look like that Governments and media brainwash the people bad about him.

I German Reporter for open my mind about him...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

then do not correct me if you don't know anything about Zionism. I'm not an expert either. Just because you don't see anything about "racist" or "racism" in german wikipedia doesn't mean it isn't. It is subjective but to each own. It CAN foster racism in the right condition. But of course.... nothing about Israel's situation is easy to understand.

do you understand better now?

I correct you? :scratch: I would suggest you go back and re-read more CAREFULLY... You started to quote my response post toward Foxrac´s question to correct me with nonsense link that it´s racism without let me know that you know a little about Zion in first place. I quoted your post to explain you what I learn from reading and then let you know that I know a little about Zion. Now you tell me for a first time that you are not an expert either...? :scratch:

 

[Jiro]

The word of "Zion" is about the history, not racism or negative. I really know a little about Zion and jew's kind of religious. I read the German wikiphedia and other websites last night but it's still confuse to me because there're kind of Zion religious... I wish someone to have knowledge about kind of Zion and history to educate us because jews have kind of zionism, not just one zion.

To me, There're are kind of jews who have different religious belief... there're jewish consider themselves as Zionist is an extremely religious relate history and don't beleive in state of Israel but Holy Land, Eretz Yisroel... other non-Zionists are not extremely relgious as Zionists is moderate Jew. (like me is non-religious)... Yes, not all jews support zionism but I do not see anything that call Jews "Zionist" is a racism...

The author of link, you posted is an ignorant... I'm not interesting...

Anyway, I hope someone who know about Zion ...

I only translate what the German wikipehdia wrote in your thread of yesterday what the word Zion mean is and why those word for.

You claim that Zion is racism... I have read but it didn't say anything about racism but something do with kind of zion religious... I explain what I read about, that's all and then let you know that I'm not an Expert to know everything about Zion. I'm learn from read Zion's history. What's your problem?

see red bold print of your posts. you keep denying that Zionism is nothing about racism. and no my source of info about "racism" is not from that link alone. It's to my best of my knowledge. The wikipedia info about Zionism is BARELY a scratch. It's like 2 sentences out of 1000 pages. And yes I do know more about Zionism than you because my knowledge of Zionism is not from wikipedia like you. I learned it from several sources including college professor, magazines, interviews, book, and some google sites. Despite of these information.... it's still very complicated to understand. I probably know about 1 out of 1000 pages worth about Zionism.

please don't bother arguing with me about Zionism. Spare us from headache and give it up

 

[Liebling:-)))]

see red bold print of your posts. you keep denying that Zionism is nothing about racism. and no my source of info about "racism" is not from that link alone. It's to my best of my knowledge. The wikipedia info about Zionism is BARELY a scratch. It's like 2 sentences out of 1000 pages. And yes I do know more about Zionism than you because my knowledge of Zionism is not from wikipedia like you. I learned it from several sources including college professor, magazines, interviews, book, and some google sites. Despite of these information.... it's still very complicated to understand. I probably know about 1 out of 1000 pages worth about Zionism.

please don't bother arguing with me about Zionism. Spare us from headache and give it up

I can see that you change your posts... see red bond

Your second post of yesterday telling me that you are not Expert either...

Originally Posted by Jiro
then do not correct me if you don't know anything about Zionism. I'm not an expert either. Just because you don't see anything about "racist" or "racism" in german wikipedia doesn't mean it isn't. It is subjective but to each own. It CAN foster racism in the right condition. But of course.... nothing about Israel's situation is easy to understand.

do you understand better now?

for pasted my posts to quote me... I stand correction what I last quoted your post few minutes ago about my post of yesterday.....

Please re-read and re-read my 2 posts you pasted...

Originally Posted by Liebling))
The word of "Zion" is about the history, not racism or negative. I really know a little about Zion and jew's kind of religious. I read the German wikiphedia and other websites last night but it's still confuse to me because there're kind of Zion religious... I wish someone to have knowledge about kind of Zion and history to educate us because jews have kind of zionism, not just one zion.

To me, There're are kind of jews who have different religious belief... there're jewish consider themselves as Zionist is an extremely religious relate history and don't beleive in state of Israel but Holy Land, Eretz Yisroel... other non-Zionists are not extremely relgious as Zionists is moderate Jew. (like me is non-religious)... Yes, not all jews support zionism but I do not see anything that call Jews "Zionist" is a racism...

The author of link, you posted is an ignorant... I'm not interesting...

Anyway, I hope someone who know about Zion ...

You change your mind and tell me that you know everything about Zion and have knowledge few minutes ago than told me yesterday that you are not an Expert????? Huh? If you said that you know everything but why can´t you educate us in first place instead of post that nonsense and uneducation link, not history link... Racism? I search websites to compare with German wikipedia... it written like what I explained you yesterday about jew´s different belief... non-zionist and zionist... Not all Jews support Zion... I explained about the difference between German and English wikipedia in your thread few days ago...

I do not see that I deny Zion as a racism but the fact, I LET YOU KNOW that I am learning. It explains what KIND of Zion, not just one zion... It doesn´t say anything about racism.

I wasn´t realize that you have the problem with my tiny and harmless posts for let you know that I know a little and still learning... :roll:

I can see that you change your posts to defend yourself. It´s not worth to debate with you who made dishonest posts.

 

[Jiro]

uh... do you know what "to best of my knowledge" means? It means I certainly know more than you about Zionism but I'm no expert. If I were an expert - shit!! White House or UN would hire me immediately to be their consultant!!!

 

[Jiro]

btw - White House's most influential expert on Zionism and Israel situation died 5 years ago. RIP to him.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

uh... do you know what "to best of my knowledge" means? It means I certainly know more than you about Zionism but I'm no expert. If I were an expert - shit!! White House or UN would hire me immediately to be their consultant!!!

Yeah, It´s you...

No matter what... but I don´t brag everyone that "I know everything than you..." and have best of my knowledge..." to belittle.... like you what you said few minutes ago. It´s arrogance and ignorance..

Really truth, if you claim that you have best of knowledge but why post nonsense and uneducation link in first place for? Knowledge???? blah...

For your information... I have a good knowledge skill and common sense and know a lot but it doesn´t mean that I know EVERYTHING. I am a normal and open-mind person and still learning something new everyday.

:roll:

 

[Jiro]

Yeah, It´s you...

No matter what... but I don´t brag everyone that "I know everything than you..." and have best of my knowledge..." to belittle.... like you what you said few minutes ago. It´s arrogance and ignorance..

Really truth, if you claim that you have best of knowledge but why post nonsense and uneducation link in first place for? Knowledge???? blah...

For your information... I have a good knowledge and talent skill and know a lot but it doesn´t mean that I know EVERYTHING but I am a normal person and still learning something new everyday.

:roll:

oh dear god... this is same old whiny post you keep telling us whenever somebody's correction is "negative" to you. I did not bother posting "educational" source about Zionism because NOBODY is interested in learning it. Why? because it's VERY VERY COMPLICATED and it takes YEARS to understand it. Since you're willing to learn it.... here are some sources (but one of the source - you'll need to buy/borrow a book)

1. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Orientalism-Edward-W-Said/dp/039474067X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233384078&sr=8-1"]Orientalism [/ame]

2. Back To Zionism
3. bunch of links from online articles that you can find with google (it's up to you to decide which view you support)
4. bunch of links that you cannot access because they are thru college library database (private access only) - beside it's not important because you will not be able to understand it anyway. I don't either. It's too far scholarly for me but I had to read it for my college course and I don't even remember a damn thing about it.

in short - despite of what you try to learn.. you'll never understand it because if you do.. well crap on the stick!!! this Israel-Palestine conflict would be over already!!!

FYI - "uneducation" is not a real word.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

oh dear god... this is same old whiny post you keep telling us whenever somebody's correction is "negative" to you. I did not bother posting "educational" source about Zionism because NOBODY is interested in learning it. Why? because it's VERY VERY COMPLICATED and it takes YEARS to understand it. Since you're willing to learn it.... here are some sources (but one of the source - you'll need to buy/borrow a book)

1. Orientalism

2. Back To Zionism
3. bunch of links from online articles that you can find with google (it's up to you to decide which view you support)
4. bunch of links that you cannot access because they are thru college library database (private access only) - beside it's not important because you will not be able to understand it anyway. I don't either. It's too far scholarly for me but I had to read it for my college course and I don't even remember a damn thing about it.

in short - despite of what you try to learn.. you'll never understand it because if you do.. well crap on the stick!!! this Israel-Palestine conflict would be over already!!!

That´s exactly what I tried to tell you yesterday that it´s hard to understand what kind of zion is about since I learn that the word of "zion" mean is but I notice from reading that they have different kind of zion religion belief. Yes it´s very complication from what I read. I can see that you and I agree the same thing that learn about Zion is very complication that´s why I said that I am not an Expert and know a little about Zion and suggest that someone who know more about Zion and educate us.

That´s same link, I read from websites. Anyway, thank you for links.

 

[Jiro]

That´s exactly what I tried to tell you yesterday that it´s hard to understand what kind of zion is about since I learn that the word of "zion" mean is but I notice from reading that they have different kind of zion religion belief. Yes it´s very complication from what I read. I can see that you and I agree the same thing that learn about Zion is very complication that´s why I said that I am not an Expert and know a little about Zion and suggest that someone who know more about Zion and educate us.

That´s same link, I read from websites. Anyway, thank you for links.

and I also added in a little detail by saying it could in a form of racism but it really depends. My history expert college friend can't even summarize Zionism in more than 2 sentences. That's why there is separate study strictly (usually for grad/ph.d student) for this kind of thing. I doubt there is any ADer who is an expert in Zionism because if they are - they wouldn't waste their time in AD it's a very busy job!

anyway - you're welcome and I hope you can manage to understand the link I gave you cuz I can't. It's hopeless. Maybe you'll have a better luck than me.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

German Foreign Minister Presses Iran to Accept US Offer on Talks

German Foreign Minister Presses Iran to Accept US Offer on Talks

Germany's foreign minister Friday warned Iran against rebuffing US President Obama's offer to hold direct talks as diplomats from six nations trying to push Tehran to curb its nuclear ambitions meet next week in Berlin.

Speaking in the German parliament on Friday, Jan 20, Frank-Walter Steinmeier urged Iran not to snub new US President Barack Obama's offer to open direct talks with Tehran on the country's controversial nuclear program, saying diplomacy was the only way to solve the problem.

"It is good that Obama extended his hand and showed willingness to hold direct talks with Iran," the German foreign minister said. "That's why I'm calling on the Iranians to be sensible and be open to the US offer."

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Steinmeier says accepting Obama's offer is in Iran's own interest
It should be done for the people in Iran who "are suffering from the isolation and confrontation resulting from the policies of Tehran and many are also going hungry," Steinmeier added.

Germany to scale back trade with Iran

His comments came as a German official confirmed on Friday that senior diplomats from six world powers trying to persuade Tehran to halt its nuclear program would meet in Berlin next week.

German foreign ministry official Jens Ploetner said that diplomats from the UN Security Council's permanent members -- Britain, China, France, Russia and the United States -- plus Germany will meet on Wednesday near the western city of Frankfurt.

The six countries have offered Tehran a set of economic and energy incentives in exchange for halting its uranium enrichment program which the West suspects is being used as a cover to develop nuclear weapons.

Germany said this week it had drastically cut its export guarantees for companies trading with Iran.

Berlin's move came amid increased criticism, notably from the United States and Israel, over Germany's growing trade with Iran.

German exports to Iran rose 10.5 percent in the first 11 months of 2008 to reach 3.6 billion euros ($4.6 billion), according to government statistics.

US-Iran talks "long overdue"

Next Wednesday's meeting in Berlin of the six world powers on the Iranian nuclear program will mark the first gathering since Barack Obama took office on January 20.

In one of the biggest foreign policy reversals since taking the reins, Obama this week told Arab broadcaster Al-Arabiya he was willing to talk directly with Iran and map out a new future for US relations with Iran after a three-decade diplomatic freeze.

Washington is also at odds with Iran over its threats to destroy Israel as well as Tehran's support of the militant groups Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in the Palestinian territories. The US broke off diplomatic relations with Iran after hard-line students stormed the US Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Iran insists its nuclear program is peaceful and meant to generate electricity
At the same time, Obama's administration has refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- if Tehran refuses to abandon its uranium enrichment program.

The head of the UN nuclear watchdog welcomed Obama's overtures and called for direct talks without conditions.

"It is the way to go. It is long overdue," Mohamed ElBaradei, the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said on Thursday on the sidelines of the Davos summit. "The security issue will not be resolved without direct dialogue between Iran and the US."

On Thursday, Iran, which insists its nuclear program is peaceful and solely geared toward electricity generation, promised a positive response if the United States makes genuine policy changes.

But earlier this week, Iran's hard-line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad demanded Obama apologize for past US "crimes" against the Islamic republic.

German Foreign Minister Presses Iran to Accept US Offer on Talks | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 30.01.2009

Yes I agree with Frank-Walter Steinmeier...

Obama offered the PEACE to East Middle few days ago and can´t see why Iranian President demand an apology from him first for past when they (Iranian President and President Obama) did not involved in the past.

 

[Reba]

Iranian leader demands US apology

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iranian leader demands US apology

And his interview with German reporter of Spiegel - its about everything including the Holocaust, the future of the state of Israel, mistakes made by America in Iraq and Tehran, Iseral, etc.

SPIEGEL Interview with Iran's President Ahmadinejad: "We Are Determined" - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

Come and discuss what do you think of this?

I hope Ahmadinejad isn't holding his breath waiting for an apology.

I think the interview with him was a total waste of time. He spouts the same old baloney every time he opens his mouth.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

I hope Ahmadinejad isn't holding his breath waiting for an apology.

I hope Ahmadinejad IS holding his breath...

for at least five minutes and there is a DNR with his name on it...

 

[DURAY]

this is the most anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, pro-Arab, pro-Middle East book ever. your bias are showing.

1. [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Orientalism-Edward-W-Said/dp/039474067X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233384078&sr=8-1"]Orientalism [/ame]

 

[Foxrac]

this is the most anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, pro-Arab, pro-Middle East book ever. your bias are showing.

1. Orientalism

 

[Reba]

I hope Ahmadinejad IS holding his breath...

for at least five minutes and there is a DNR with his name on it...

 

[Reba]

**pix of famous scene in Dr. Strangelove movie - a cowboy riding on nuclear missle

I love that scene and that movie. :P

 

[Foxrac]

Remember about flag during Shah rule.

It looks like true Persian.