Interracial Marriages Soar

[Bottesini]

But I think about it, yeah, she should leave out the religion... Everyone have the rights to worship and pray without anyone insulting their religion. She should just focus the attitude the that people have.

Something like "people against interracial marriage must be roaring mad"

That's right. That would be a better way to say it.

I know several Baptists, and they are all pretty normal.

 

[rockin'robin]

In an interracial marriage here myself.

Were there "any adjustments" to make when you married ur husband?....Such as different types of music, dress, food, beliefs, Church...even the way Black people "talk" versus Whites?
Sure, there are adjustments to make, even marrying someone of ur own colour, but different cultures?...Inasmuch, ur deaf, white...and ur husband is Black and hearing?......
Just wondering also, that deaf/hearing marriages likely end up in divorse due to the communication issue....??

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Old habits are hard to break.
Just live life the way you want it (or wish for), don't let these trivial things bother you.

In your perspective, it is okay to sweep this under the rug?

Deafdyke is a member here that has a history of doing this.

It is not okay to claim it is an old habit that is hard to break. It's just as bad as justifying her actions.

Deafdyke needs to claim ownership for her actions.

 

[naisho]

In your perspective, it is okay to sweep this under the rug?

Deafdyke is a member here that has a history of doing this.

It is not okay to claim it is an old habit that is hard to break. It's just as bad as justifying her actions.

Deafdyke needs to claim ownership for her actions.

No, I am saying.. I don't let the thoughts of other random people irritate me (in this case I am referring to the statements about Baptists thinking negatively of interracial marriages). I notice the older a culture / tradition it is, the more prone it is to adhering to social norms and traditions. Courses in sociology and real life experiences have shown me this in the past. It's just personal opinion.

I'm not even backing her [deafdyke] up at all, I don't even know this person. There's no way I'd justify the actions of someone I don't know.

 

[nobody456]

In your perspective, it is okay to sweep this under the rug?

Deafdyke is a member here that has a history of doing this.

It is not okay to claim it is an old habit that is hard to break. It's just as bad as justifying her actions.

Deafdyke needs to claim ownership for her actions.

I think it was a generalization that wasn't really thought out and not meant to group "all" or some "old-school baptists" into one that is like the KKK or whatever that are groups specifically for segregation. I think it's clear from most of us here that it was a bit rash to say something like that but not overtly offensive because it wasn't really specific (some suggested southern baptist or maybe the poster was thinking of 1798 "standards"), but I don't expect an outright apology. Just think twice about what you're posting, especially when it comes to stereotypes. We're all Americans. Show the love.

As for the original article; the stats may be surprising for older (maybe?) people who don't really matriculate outside their race. I am younger and have explored outside my race and it's surprising that those stats aren't higher. We're always somewhere between a melting pot and a tossed salad.

I've dated outside the "race", and have noticed that the older members of my family would be more against it, but really, I think they're just using stereotypes when they're uncertain of what to think of at first. More suspicious of anything and don't want to see me unhappy with whomever I'm with. If she glows green, I might hesitate at first lol.

 

[shel90]

Were there "any adjustments" to make when you married ur husband?....Such as different types of music, dress, food, beliefs, Church...even the way Black people "talk" versus Whites?
Sure, there are adjustments to make, even marrying someone of ur own colour, but different cultures?...Inasmuch, ur deaf, white...and ur husband is Black and hearing?......
Just wondering also, that deaf/hearing marriages likely end up in divorse due to the communication issue....??

We both arent religious so not problem there. He can sign pretty good and he doesnt "act" black.

We both love the 80s music, love international food, and have the same beliefs.

The other difference is our fashion sense..he is a geek and I am into fashion.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

In your perspective, it is okay to sweep this under the rug?

Deafdyke is a member here that has a history of doing this.

It is not okay to claim it is an old habit that is hard to break. It's just as bad as justifying her actions.

Deafdyke needs to claim ownership for her actions.

Thanks Mrs Buckets ! I was going to say that too! When I was a health aid I had go people home and my client could say anything they wanted! This was really hard with me as I had to listen to some racist remarks! I had about 6 clients that were bads saying racist remarks. I spoke to my boss about one guy that was really bad and said I did not want to take care of him anymore! My boss wanted to know why it bother me! I told my boss that just did and that my daughter was Black ! My boss almost fell off her chair when she heard my about my daughter! My boss did not take me of that the case , she did not think it was wrong to say racist remarks! Needless to say my boss was a racist!

 

[Foxrac]

HA.....this is great! The KKK and Christian Identity and old school Baptists (the ones who still think segregation was a good idea) must be HOWLING in rage!

Wow, please watch your word and you got in wrong place to say.

 

[quirkylibra]

I've dated a lot of different races. I don't understand why so many people still have a problem with it.

 

[deafdyke]

m a Baptist and I'm not howling in rage, and no one in my church appears to be howling in rage. We have "white married to non-white" couples in our church, and no one is "howling." We don't think segregation was a good idea.

I don't appreciate Baptists being lumped together with the KKK and Christian Identity groups. [/QUOTE Sigh, I KNEW this would happen.] No, you guys misunderstand. I know there's a HUGE range of beliefs within the Baptist Church. I did NOT mean Baptists in general AT ALL! I SPECIFICLY stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very conservative Baptists. Like they would have thought that Jerry Falwell was "too libral" or that segregation was OK.
Do you remember back when Bob Jones University had that interrracial dating ban? That ban was the result of consertative Baptist beliefs. I do know within the spectrum of Baptist belief that there ARE folks who strongly sincerely believe interracial marriage is wrong. ....Yes, that doesn't mean that ALL Baptists believe that. But I specificly stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very superconservative ones. I'm sure those of you who are Baptists are aware that there are Baptists who think that Bob Jones University is "too libral"
Granted I have no clue how many of the super conservative Baptists are out there...Hopefully they are in the minority...and who knows? Maybe they call themselves Baptist but are actually Christian Idenity. I did not mean to offend any one. But the reason I used the term old skool Baptist, was that many years ago a lot of the superconservative Baptist beliefs were somewhat mainline. That's why you had Loving vs. Virginia in 1968 (the case that legalized gay marriage) and the whole Freedom Rides and civil rights in the '60's. I'm well aware that things have changed quite a bit, and that many mainline Baptists don't believe that sort of thing any more. That would be like looking at a pre Vactican (those reforms that changed a lot of offical Catholic beliefs) Catholic Church, and thinking that Catholics still hear Mass in Latin

 

[nobody456]

We both arent religious so not problem there. He can sign pretty good and he doesnt "act" black.

We both love the 80s music, love international food, and have the same beliefs.

The other difference is our fashion sense..he is a geek and I am into fashion.

lol...reminds me of a guy I used to know. He is black and is gay (homosexual - archaic language meant "happy"). Took interest in one of my co-workers. We all went out one night and he was open about being black and gay. He went on a spiel about how he actually doesn't like black people. I was really taken aback because I really don't know much about black culture and found it somewhat amusing; like a comedian doing stand-up. I don't know if he really does have bitter feelings or whatever but still interesting to hear him say he doesn't act or feel black.

so you're implying Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, etc. have no sense of fashion. absolutely agree lol.

 

[Mrs Bucket]

Sigh, I KNEW this would happen.No, you guys misunderstand. I know there's a HUGE range of beliefs within the Baptist Church.

If you knew this would happen, then you should've refrained from spouting off those generalisations.

We did not misunderstand you at all. You posted those statements knowing there was ignorance in them.

That would be like looking at a pre Vactican (those reforms that changed a lot of offical Catholic beliefs) Catholic Church, and thinking that Catholics still hear Mass in Latin

There you go again with sweeping statements, as a former Catholic, you are terribly flawed in Catholicism.

 

[Frisky Feline]

m a Baptist and I'm not howling in rage, and no one in my church appears to be howling in rage. We have "white married to non-white" couples in our church, and no one is "howling." We don't think segregation was a good idea.

I don't appreciate Baptists being lumped together with the KKK and Christian Identity groups. [/QUOTE Sigh, I KNEW this would happen.] No, you guys misunderstand. I know there's a HUGE range of beliefs within the Baptist Church. I did NOT mean Baptists in general AT ALL! I SPECIFICLY stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very conservative Baptists. Like they would have thought that Jerry Falwell was "too libral" or that segregation was OK.
Do you remember back when Bob Jones University had that interrracial dating ban? That ban was the result of consertative Baptist beliefs. I do know within the spectrum of Baptist belief that there ARE folks who strongly sincerely believe interracial marriage is wrong. ....Yes, that doesn't mean that ALL Baptists believe that. But I specificly stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very superconservative ones. I'm sure those of you who are Baptists are aware that there are Baptists who think that Bob Jones University is "too libral"
Granted I have no clue how many of the super conservative Baptists are out there...Hopefully they are in the minority...and who knows? Maybe they call themselves Baptist but are actually Christian Idenity. I did not mean to offend any one. But the reason I used the term old skool Baptist, was that many years ago a lot of the superconservative Baptist beliefs were somewhat mainline. That's why you had Loving vs. Virginia in 1968 (the case that legalized gay marriage) and the whole Freedom Rides and civil rights in the '60's. I'm well aware that things have changed quite a bit, and that many mainline Baptists don't believe that sort of thing any more. That would be like looking at a pre Vactican (those reforms that changed a lot of offical Catholic beliefs) Catholic Church, and thinking that Catholics still hear Mass in Latin

everything what you said, based on your own experiences. please remind yourself that everyone don't have the same experience as yours. it's your call if you continue to talk about your own experiences when it will leads to something so disagreement here.

 

[Berry]

Aside: There does seem to be some very vocal Baptist preachers with fanatic if not right down anti-American views who seem to claim they speak for all Baptists.

They are not making it easy for people who want to just practice their religion and go on their way. I would expect there will be more anti Baptists sentiments to surface as clashes progress and as long as these preachers remain in the forefront of the fray.

I'm glad I'm not a Baptist reading this right now. I would feel violated.

What the hell is going on here?

I can't go to work and tell a fellow employee she is pretty because it might offend her (even if it did not) because it violates her rights to not be even potentially offended -- But spouting hate is okay because they have free speech ?????

 

[Reba]

Sigh, I KNEW this would happen. No, you guys misunderstand.

If you knew this would happen, then I guess you should have been more careful with the way you worded your response if you wanted to avoid a misunderstanding.

I know there's a HUGE range of beliefs within the Baptist Church. I did NOT mean Baptists in general AT ALL! I SPECIFICLY stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very conservative Baptists.

In your book, I would be classified a "very conservative Baptist" but that doesn't mean I support racial segregation. It's hard to say what "old skool" Baptists are in your classification system.

Like they would have thought that Jerry Falwell was "too libral" or that segregation was OK.

What about Baptists who didn't accept Falwell or segregation?

Do you remember back when Bob Jones University had that interrracial dating ban? That ban was the result of consertative Baptist beliefs.

That ban was the result of interpretation by the leadership of a private college. That wasn't a Baptist doctrine.

in I do know within the spectrum of Baptist belief that there ARE folks who strongly sincerely believe interracial marriage is wrong. ....

My atheist MIL believes that too, so it doesn't prove anything.

Yes, that doesn't mean that ALL Baptists believe that. But I specificly stated OLD SKOOL Baptists. Meaning very superconservative ones. I'm sure those of you who are Baptists are aware that there are Baptists who think that Bob Jones University is "too libral"

There are other Christian colleges I would prefer to recommend.

Your statements are bound into stereotypes (some of which are outdated).

Granted I have no clue how many of the super conservative Baptists are out there...Hopefully they are in the minority...and who knows? Maybe they call themselves Baptist but are actually Christian Idenity.

Since you don't know what truly constitutes a "super conservative Baptist", and you don't know who belongs to "Christian Identity", it would be better to not combine the two into a shared ideology.

I did not mean to offend any one. But the reason I used the term old skool Baptist, was that many years ago a lot of the superconservative Baptist beliefs were somewhat mainline. That's why you had Loving vs. Virginia in 1968 (the case that legalized gay marriage) and the whole Freedom Rides and civil rights in the '60's. I'm well aware that things have changed quite a bit, and that many mainline Baptists don't believe that sort of thing any more. That would be like looking at a pre Vactican (those reforms that changed a lot of offical Catholic beliefs) Catholic Church, and thinking that Catholics still hear Mass in Latin

It's better not make general statements out of specific instances. Like the saying, "All generalities are inaccurate, including this one."

p.s.
Who were many of the leaders and participants of the civil rights movement of the 60's? Baptist preachers and Catholic priests.

 

[A]

I know many who believe Falwell is too liberal, but they still support interracial marriage, some of them are in that type of marriage. Let me give you an example of an ultra-conservative baptist who is ok with interracial marriage:

Another mission board required that missionaries cannot be interracially married and forbade the missionary couples even to adopt children of another race, but while there are practical issues pertaining to interracial marriages and adoptions, the Bible nowhere strictly forbids this: You Legalist!

 

[naisho]

I've dated a lot of different races. I don't understand why so many people still have a problem with it.

They have terminology for this in sociology. There's different reasons why, but not so many.

Most of it is due to adhering to old cultural stipulations and norms, the rest are lumped as forms of racism or however you want to view it as.
A few I can remember are..

The Continuity Theory - basically that older adults will stick within their tradition and norms as they did earlier in their life, and pass these down to their children
Continuity Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Xenophobia - you've probably seen this before, just plain simple fear of non-native people.
Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social identities Theory - This is how we subconsciously categorize people in our head. Like the word FOB, rednecks, goths, hillbillies, deaf, hearing etc. We note the differences between the groups and distinguish them by stereotypical traits they do.
Social identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The younger generation of this era is less likely to stick with these forms of stereotyped bias. It is subjective to how they are raised and view life, mostly from the traditions their parents, friends, social networks are teaching them.

Overall, sometime in the future the world will eventually adopt to an assimilated view where all races might even become mixed, but the "elitists" will always be around, even if just a minority in the future.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I've dated a lot of different races. I don't understand why so many people still have a problem with it.

Me neither. In fact, I feel uncomfortable being in a homogeneous society. I went home to my parents' town, and I felt uncomfortable and got anxiety attack because there weren't any strong presence of visual minority.

 

[Berry]

I too am more comfortable in an ethnically mixed neighborhood. When I'm in a neighborhood with no racial balance I feel like an intruder.

 

[quirkylibra]

They have terminology for this in sociology. There's different reasons why, but not so many.

Most of it is due to adhering to old cultural stipulations and norms, the rest are lumped as forms of racism or however you want to view it as.
A few I can remember are..

The Continuity Theory - basically that older adults will stick within their tradition and norms as they did earlier in their life, and pass these down to their children
Continuity Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Xenophobia - you've probably seen this before, just plain simple fear of non-native people.
Xenophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Social identities Theory - This is how we subconsciously categorize people in our head. Like the word FOB, rednecks, goths, hillbillies, deaf, hearing etc. We note the differences between the groups and distinguish them by stereotypical traits they do.
Social identity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The younger generation of this era is less likely to stick with these forms of stereotyped bias. It is subjective to how they are raised and view life, mostly from the traditions their parents, friends, social networks are teaching them.

Overall, sometime in the future the world will eventually adopt to an assimilated view where all races might even become mixed, but the "elitists" will always be around, even if just a minority in the future.

I "understand" but I don't get it. I don't know how to explain what I mean. We have come so far, yet we haven't come as far as we think. I dated a man of a different race for 7 years. I was amazed at how we were treated when we went out together. I don't care what people think in general, so it didn't matter, but it still shocked me. I believe in "tasting the rainbow" so to say. I don't care about the wrapper, I want what's inside.