Indictment: Militia planned to murder officer, attack funeral

kokonut said:
Another group that "attack" military funerals.
The Phelps clan.
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I know. They were in our community last week. Ugh!
 
TXgolfer said:
It scary.....it was a good catch. Apparently there are 126 known groups just like it. Wow
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and the numbers are rising.

I have been reading the three percenters blog about this raid.

Did anyone notice the charges were changed? At first, it was "selling pipe bombs" then when no pipe bombs were found, it was "gun related charges"

when they found out it was not illegal to possess firearms, the charge changed to "conspiracy".

Anyone remember when the feds burned a church down with children inside?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_Siege

the feds continued to change the charges there too ... right up until they locked the church and burned and killed everyone inside.

A subsequent 51-day siege by the Federal Bureau of Investigation ended on April 19 when fire destroyed the compound. Seventy-six people (24 of them British nationals)[4] died in the fire, including more than 20 children, two pregnant women, and Koresh himself.
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ask yourself this very important question .... if the Hutaree were hell bent on killing LEO, why did they turn themselves in without a single shot being fired?


Within a minute of the raid starting, the Davidian Wayne Martin, a Harvard-educated lawyer with a wife and seven children, who for seven years was an assistant professor at North Carolina Central University School of Law, called emergency services, pleading for them to stop shooting. The resident asked for a ceasefire, and audiotapes record him saying "Here they come again!" and "That's them shooting, that's not us!"
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update

Group arrested not Christian or militia, insider says
(CNN) -- Members of a militia charged with plotting to kill police were not Christian or a militia, a man acquainted with the group said Tuesday.

"This is a group that I would classify as neither a militia or a Christian group," said Michael Lackomar, a member of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia. "They're really a fringe group outside of anything we do.

"They're more of a private army or a terrorist organization or really just a criminal organization."

Federal authorities on Monday charged nine members of a group called the Hutaree militia with conspiring to kill a Michigan law enforcement officer and then kill other officers at the funeral.

The group says on its Web site that Hutaree means "Christian warrior." Its home page said it is "Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive."

Lackomar told CNN's "American Morning" on Tuesday that five Hutaree members sought refuge over the weekend with a Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia leader because federal authorities were looking for them. Lackomar said the member of his militia advised the Hutaree members to turn themselves in so no one would get hurt.

Federal authorities arrested eight Hutaree members over the weekend. A ninth member was arrested Monday night.

A federal grand jury in Detroit, Michigan, indicted six Michigan residents, two Ohioans and an Indiana resident on charges of seditious conspiracy, attempted use of weapons of mass destruction, teaching the use of explosive materials and possessing a firearm during a crime of violence, said U.S. Attorney Barbara L. McQuade and Andrew Arena, FBI special agent in charge.

Read the indictment (PDF)

The five-count indictment unsealed Monday said the plot started in August 2008.

Attorney General Eric Holder called it "an insidious plan by anti-government extremists."

In the "About Us" section of the Hutaree Web site, the group says, "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All Christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded."

The Southern Poverty Law Center, an Alabama-based nonprofit organization that monitors hate groups and other fringe organizations, lists the Hutaree as a "Patriot" group militia.

"Generally, Patriot groups define themselves as opposed to the 'New World Order,' engage in groundless conspiracy theorizing or advocate or adhere to extreme anti-government doctrines," the center said in a report, "Rage on the Right: The Year in Hate and Extremism."

The center also defines Patriot groups as "militias and other organizations that see the federal government as part of a plot to impose 'one-world government' on liberty-loving Americans."

The suspects were identified as militia leader David Brian Stone, 45; his wife, Tina Stone, 44; his son Joshua Matthew Stone, 21, of Clayton, Michigan; another son, David Brian Stone Jr., 19, of Adrian, Michigan; Joshua Clough, 28, of Blissfield, Michigan; Michael Meeks, 40, of Manchester, Michigan; Thomas Piatek, 46, of Whiting, Indiana; Kristopher Sickles, 27, of Sandusky, Ohio; and Jacob Ward, 33, of Huron, Ohio.

A bond hearing has been set for 1 p.m. Wednesday.

Court-appointed counsel will be assigned to the seven suspects who were in court Monday because none of them had attorneys.

According to the indictment, Hutaree members view local, state and federal law enforcement authorities as the enemy and have been preparing to engage them in armed conflict.

The indictment alleges the Hutaree planned to kill an unidentified law enforcement officer in Michigan and then attack officers and others who would gather for that officer's funeral. According to the plan, the indictment said, the Hutaree wanted to use improvised explosive devices to attack law enforcement vehicles during the funeral procession. The indictment said those explosive devices, commonly called IEDs, constitute weapons of mass destruction.

Subsequently, the indictment said, Hutaree leader David Brian Stone obtained information about IEDs over the Internet and e-mailed diagrams to a person he believed could manufacture them. He then had one of his sons, Joshua Matthew Stone, and others gather materials necessary to manufacture IEDs, the indictment alleged.

According to the indictment, David Brian Stone and David Brian Stone Jr. taught other Hutaree members in June how to make and use explosive devices.

In addition, the grand jury charged all nine defendants with carrying or possessing a firearm during a crime of violence on at least one occasion.

"Because the Hutaree had planned a covert reconnaissance operation for April which had the potential of placing an unsuspecting member of the public at risk, the safety of the public and of the law enforcement community demanded intervention at this time," said McQuade, the U.S. attorney.
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Steinhauer said:
and the numbers are rising.

I have been reading the three percenters blog about this raid.

Did anyone notice the charges were changed? At first, it was "selling pipe bombs" then when no pipe bombs were found, it was "gun related charges"

when they found out it was not illegal to possess firearms, the charge changed to "conspiracy".

Anyone remember when the feds burned a church down with children inside?

Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Well, did they make violent threats? that's what I want to know (I haven't look at the site). If so, they are no more excused than suicide bombers.
 
Jiro said:
wow.... how dare they do their business on school property. How dare they intimidate children.

*SMH*
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They kept off school property but in view of the school. They manage to stay just barely within the legal limits of protest.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Well, did they make violent threats? that's what I want to know (I haven't look at the site). If so, they are no more excused than suicide bombers.
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Don't look at their website, its being over run by trolls.

The same accusers that are making the Hutaree out to be sick twisted bastages, are posting sick twisted comments and pornographic photos.
 
Reminds meo fhte Freemen / FBI standoff in Montana several years ago.
 
Reba said:
They kept off school property but in view of the school. They manage to stay just barely within the legal limits of protest.
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ah but my chiding remains same. How dare they cause intimidation in close proximity of children. They should do it at city hall or somewhere else.
 
Jiro said:
wow.... how dare they do their business on school property. How dare they intimidate children.

*SMH*
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Our kids weren't intimidated:

"Westboro protesters chanted but were droned out by school buses rushing past. Students shouted out of bus and car windows, honked horns and revved their engines. The counter-protest was noisy and filled with excitement."

:)
 
Reba said:
Our kids weren't intimidated:

"Westboro protesters chanted but were droned out by school buses rushing past. Students shouted out of bus and car windows, honked horns and revved their engines. The counter-protest was noisy and filled with excitement."

:)
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:laugh2:
 
Jiro said:
ah but my chiding remains same. How dare they cause intimidation in close proximity of children. They should do it at city hall or somewhere else.
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I agree that the Westboro group is cowardly in their protests. Some of the places they pick to protest make no senses.

In our area they picked the Charleston Air Force Base, James Island Charter High School, Wando High School, West Ashley High School, Fort Dorchester High School, the College of Charleston, the Jewish Community Center and Charleston Harbor Resort and Marina.

Only one place was military. The rest included four high schools, a college, the Jewish Community Center (that one's obvious), and a resort marina :)dunno:). I guess even protesters don't want to leave the Charleston area without at least one tourist stop. :lol:
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Well, did they make violent threats? that's what I want to know (I haven't look at the site). If so, they are no more excused than suicide bombers.
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suicide bombers threaten all the time. How come CAIR isn't being over run by the Feds?

Because they have the right to assemble. They have the right to free speech and they have the right to bear arms.

I want to know what law was broken by the Hutaree.

Something that is highly fishy to me is there was an admitted Federal "provocateur" planted there for a year and a half.

Why did this raid happen a week after the Obamacare care was passed and senators were being threatened?

They are sending a message - the message is being sent to militia groups by the Feds.

What the Feds do not realize is that "militia" groups such as the Oath Keepers and Three percenters are actually comprised of US soldiers, firefighters, EMT and LEO's.

What the left is doing, is trying to make those who would defend the US Constitution at the cost of their lives, out to be extremist criminals.
 
Reba said:
The group's theology is all screwed up.

Their reasoning? There is none. They are illogical.

Even if they had carried out their heinous plot, how would that serve their cause? It makes no sense.
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oh I forgot to respond to this. It said -

The intention of the group was that such acts "would intimidate and demoralize law enforcement, diminishing their ranks and rendering them ineffective," the indictment said.
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Hutaree members believe, according to the indictment, that their fight would "serve as a catalyst for a more widespread uprising against the government."
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kinda like WTC fear again but realistically.... this kind of effort is futile... based on dozens of real-world terrorist attacks in UK, Russia, Japan, etc.
 
Steinhauer said:
and the numbers are rising.

I have been reading the three percenters blog about this raid.

Did anyone notice the charges were changed? At first, it was "selling pipe bombs" then when no pipe bombs were found, it was "gun related charges"

when they found out it was not illegal to possess firearms, the charge changed to "conspiracy".

Anyone remember when the feds burned a church down with children inside?

Waco Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the feds continued to change the charges there too ... right up until they locked the church and burned and killed everyone inside.



ask yourself this very important question .... if the Hutaree were hell bent on killing LEO, why did they turn themselves in without a single shot being fired?
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Steinhauer said:
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not gonna bother playing along with this ridiculous post. I urge you to exercise with intelligence and common sense. Steer away from those conspiracy theorist site.....
 
I wonder if the federal "provocateur" discussed this "idea" with them and recorded their reactions as "evidence".

The charges kept changing. If they were so violent, why did they turn themselves in without firing a single shot? :hmm:

As Timothy Leary once said "Think for yourself, question authority."
 
Reba said:
I agree that the Westboro group is cowardly in their protests. Some of the places they pick to protest make no senses.

In our area they picked the Charleston Air Force Base, James Island Charter High School, Wando High School, West Ashley High School, Fort Dorchester High School, the College of Charleston, the Jewish Community Center and Charleston Harbor Resort and Marina.

Only one place was military. The rest included four high schools, a college, the Jewish Community Center (that one's obvious), and a resort marina :)dunno:). I guess even protesters don't want to leave the Charleston area without at least one tourist stop. :lol:
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For some reason I see them as spawns of the devil. Just wayyy out there.
 
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