In a world where records are permanent...

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I grew up with the traditional American values of the time with the usual unique family interpretation. It was a very different time. What happened in the home was no ones business. There were plenty of very unique homelives going on then and we kids were heavily influenced by our parents vision of the world. Like most kids of the time we were punished for not telling the truth. There was a large value on truthfullness backed up by corporeal punishment - Dads military belt across the buttocks combined with some mature conversation about why it was happening.
We live in a new time now. There is enormous capacity for gathering our personal information. We have lots of papers we sign saying we have received notice of our right to privacy.
Protection of privacy and the truth -- as a child I was like most children quick to pick up on conflict between what was taught to me and what I saw my parents doing. Hmm... something is up here and I am on the outside looking in...
In the new world of permanent records do you think we need to take a hard look at the present standing of truth in our society?
 
I would suppose yes. True value is lost. Yeah, it's sad. You know when you were kids, your parents probably met their parents. You rarely talked about which parents you see each weekend. Those days, you may run into kids who talk about which parents they saw that weekend. Like your Mom may meet a kid's caretaker. You may have not met kids' both parents.
 
I'm not sure if I understand the question. Are you asking if we need to be more careful with our private business because it can be on record permanently somewhere, which wasn't a danger in the past?
 
Mimsy said:
I'm not sure if I understand the question. Are you asking if we need to be more careful with our private business because it can be on record permanently somewhere, which wasn't a danger in the past?
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It has been a danger right along. The part that disturbs me now is how many ways personal information about any individual can end up in so many different places. So many that we cannot possibly know and for what use.
The medical files disturb me because the doctors do their own little comments that pass along. These comments are capable of being not true at all yet effecting the entire downstream course of a patients life without the patients knowledge.
Also a true statement in a particular time may not be true for all the time.
Truth, privacy, and freedom are intertwined. While I experience more freedom now in my American life than I ever have in the past, there is a sense of having less but it is not true. I have more. Still it bothers me- I do not have my own timeline from birth to present of my own medical records. They are all out there somewhere. My school records, out there somewhere- that kind of thing - they are all out there somewhere. I have boxes of files but they do not have those records.
 
While it's difficult to do much about medical records, the best way to handle the rest is misinformation. Put out as much falsehood as possible and it makes it more difficult to find the truth.
 
I had this conversation with a friend not long ago.

If I wouldn't leave personal pictures on the park bench, down the street because someone would take them, why would I ever put those pictures on the internet?

Some of the values I learned:
Don't leave your bike unlocked.
Don't leave your wallet where someone can take it.
If you don't want other people to hear things, don't say them.

Those values are still true today and apply just the same in the information age as well. It's still up to you today to do those things.

The truth is: It's nobody's fault but your own if they get your information.

This idea of keeping everything in the cloud is BS. What happens when the company(which is the cloud BTW) goes under?
 
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Your info gets up there anyway. Friends and family are always putting pictures and info up even if your not.

VacationGuy234 said:
I had this conversation with a friend not long ago.

If I wouldn't leave personal pictures on the park bench, down the street because someone would take them, why would I ever put those pictures on the internet?

Some of the values I learned:
Don't leave your bike unlocked.
Don't leave your wallet where someone can take it.
If you don't want other people to hear things, don't say them.

Those values are still true today and apply just the same in the information age as well. It's still up to you today to do those things.

The truth is: It's nobody's fault but your own if they get your information.

This idea of keeping everything in the cloud is BS. What happens when the company(which is the cloud BTW) goes under?
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are you looking back into past rose tint glasses.pro and con with both
 
A few years ago I was changing my phone plan around the ATT person said hey wait a minute we have to make sure you are who you say you are. I was shocked - I have a spread out life that I cannot keep track of, they asked me questions that they should not have known. Public record but spread out enough they should not have been easily tied together like that. A dossier. The freakin phone company. I don't trust them at all.
 
I am in question about something that's going on right now. A very large company has decided to change the health coverage that is offered to the employees. So in that, it is now REQUIRED that everyone takes a biometric screening (blood test) to see what's going on with them.

In addition, they have to take a questionnaire that asks things such as "Do you drink? How often" "Do you smoke? How long?" "Do you wear your seat belt?" "How often do you eat fried foods?" "How many servings a day do you have fruits/vegetables?" "Do you floss your teeth? How often?"

Then they are rated if their lifestyle is "risky". On the question that asks about the fruits/veggies, if you don't say you have 9 servings a day, then you are considered at risk! Then they recommend you to eat as such.

Yes, one can lie on that questionnaire but this is where the blood test comes in. They will KNOW if you eat that many servings....

They also have them do a monthly phone call that continues to pester you on the areas that you are at risk.

If they don't complete these tasks, then they are kicked off of the health plan.

Talk about privacy!!
 
caz12 said:
are you looking back into past rose tint glasses.pro and con with both
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I don't have any rose tint about a lot of it. The whole business of being beaten with sticks and straps as a boy left a lasting impression on me. After 40 some years I wasn't even angry anymore.
 
In A Cloud... said:
I am in question about something that's going on right now. A very large company has decided to change the health coverage that is offered to the employees. So in that, it is now REQUIRED that everyone takes a biometric screening (blood test) to see what's going on with them.

In addition, they have to take a questionnaire that asks things such as "Do you drink? How often" "Do you smoke? How long?" "Do you wear your seat belt?" "How often do you eat fried foods?" "How many servings a day do you have fruits/vegetables?" "Do you floss your teeth? How often?"

Then they are rated if their lifestyle is "risky". On the question that asks about the fruits/veggies, if you don't say you have 9 servings a day, then you are considered at risk! Then they recommend you to eat as such.

Yes, one can lie on that questionnaire but this is where the blood test comes in. They will KNOW if you eat that many servings....

They also have them do a monthly phone call that continues to pester you on the areas that you are at risk.

If they don't complete these tasks, then they are kicked off of the health plan.

Talk about privacy!!
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There is also the part where that information is stored and whether they share it with who? There should not even be insurance companies in the health care business. They provide no service accept to generate income for themselves at enormous cost to everyone. They are the most disgusting sort of parasite.

They need to be forcibly removed from the system.

I see a way but it is not an instant way. It would require an alliance between the health care providers and us the customers.

The goal:
Remove both the government(except for the VA) and the insurance companies from the private health care system and have superior health care without them. Work out the details and set a date for December 19th, 2013 for when the new era begins. The government can help - they can pass legislation ending all insurance company involvement in health care on the 19th and then supervise their own disengagement in phases while arranging a health care bank that has accounts for each citizen and work out how to fund the bank for the safety net system that would be a backup for the economically challenged.
 
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goodonya said:
I grew up with the traditional American values of the time with the usual unique family interpretation. It was a very different time. What happened in the home was no ones business. There were plenty of very unique homelives going on then and we kids were heavily influenced by our parents vision of the world. Like most kids of the time we were punished for not telling the truth. There was a large value on truthfullness backed up by corporeal punishment - Dads military belt across the buttocks combined with some mature conversation about why it was happening.
We live in a new time now. There is enormous capacity for gathering our personal information. We have lots of papers we sign saying we have received notice of our right to privacy.
Protection of privacy and the truth -- as a child I was like most children quick to pick up on conflict between what was taught to me and what I saw my parents doing. Hmm... something is up here and I am on the outside looking in...
In the new world of permanent records do you think we need to take a hard look at the present standing of truth in our society?
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Very true, what if it was better sometimes to lie? what if some bleeding guy runs past you, followed by a guy with a machete dripping blood. What if he asks you where the guy went? are you going to tell the truth or not?

Life was maybe a lot simpler then, you worked hard, you told the truth, people respected you, and life was good. Now people respect fame and money. If you are rich and famous, it seems you get away with everything, or you are punished less than others should they commit the same crimes.

My parents have always told the truth, they always believed that if you didn't have anything good to say, you should just keep quiet. As a result, I only found out about the hearing loss from others :P and to think it was hereditary and they knew it would happen, and they never told me :P
 
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