Improving English skills

Jiro said:
that's not what I'm talking about.

it's something like... special education. bastardized ASL. forcing deaf children with HA/CI to speak/hear rather than focusing on basic education. families not interested in learning ASL. so on.

if a deaf child's needs was met but he/she isn't paying attention to education, then I hope his/her parents will notice it and discipline him/her.
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No, most parents leave them alone since they think their deaf kids have LD.

Did you go to a deaf school in America (not Korea)? If so, did you notice that the students improved their grammer skill because their parents disciplined them? HA! Wake up and smell the roses.
 
CrazyPaul said:
No, most parents leave them alone since they think their deaf kids have LD.
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That's just sad and disdainful. My parents would never do such thing and I would never do that either to my future kids.

CrazyPaul said:
Did you go to a deaf school in America (not Korea)?
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no I didn't.

CrazyPaul said:
If so, did you notice that the students improved their grammer skill because their parents disciplined them? HA! Wake up and smell the roses.
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My parents disciplined me and were very involved in my life to ensure that my needs was met and that I was getting the most from education. Ben Carson's academic skill improved because his mama disciplined him. FYI - Ben Carson was a black boy born in a dirt-poor Detroit neighborhood with a single poor mom. like a bunch of poor children in poor neighborhood... most of parents would just leave them alone since they think their children are retarded/dumbass/ghetto/etc but no.... not this one.... now he's a world renowned neurosurgeon famous for successfully splitting up a conjoined twins. There are thousands more stories about kids becoming successful people because their parents disciplined them. Donald Trump is one of them too. Bill Gates. Howard Schultz (Starbucks. born dirt poor in Brooklyn project house).

There is a very clear correlation... parental involvement = child's future success.

It doesn't matter if I went to a deaf school or mainstream. If my English skill was subpar, then my parents would be very concerned and they certainly would not just leave me alone and give up. They would take me to an English tutor after school which they did. If they think I may have a LD, then they would take me to specialists which they did to make sure I didn't have any other disability.

I think you can see that there's a very clear distinction between you and I as in how we end up today based on how we were raised.

wake up and smell the reality.
 
Jiro said:
My parents disciplined me and were very involved in my life to ensure that my needs was met and that I was getting the most from education. Ben Carson's academic skill improved because his mama disciplined him. FYI - Ben Carson was a black boy born in a dirt-poor Detroit neighborhood with a single poor mom. like a bunch of poor children in poor neighborhood... most of parents would just leave them alone since they think their children are retarded/dumbass/ghetto/etc but no.... not this one.... now he's a world renowned neurosurgeon famous for successfully splitting up a conjoined twins. There are thousands more stories about kids becoming successful people because their parents disciplined them. Donald Trump is one of them too. Bill Gates. Howard Schultz (Starbucks. born dirt poor in Brooklyn project house).
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Why talking about them? They are not deaf. Oh, man you compared poverty with deafness. WTF?
 
CrazyPaul said:
Why talking about them? They are not deaf.
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what does deafness have to do with it? weren't we talking about parents disciplining children? it applies to all kinds - hearing, deaf, blind, etc.

CrazyPaul said:
Oh, man you compared poverty with deafness. WTF?
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huh? what? how exactly did you come to that? I'm talking about parents' attitude toward to disciplining their children if they weren't doing good in school. your attitude is a reflection of your parents' attitude so were your parents lazy? foul-mouth?
 
Jiro said:
It was very upsetting for us deafies when hearies bastardized ASL into SEE. And now you want to bastardize English? hhhhmmmmmmm!

It would be in deafie's best interest to learn a proper English than coming up with ASL English. The reason many deafies have poor writing skill is not because of difficulty in learning 2 languages.... it's because of misguided education system and audism that screw everything up... which means their development was delayed.
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So true..I agree with not messing up with English.

Just like with SEE...it is a total messing around with ASL!
 
Jiro said:
what does deafness have to do with it? weren't we talking about parents disciplining children? it applies to all kinds - hearing, deaf, blind, etc.


huh? what? how exactly did you come to that? I'm talking about parents' attitude toward to disciplining their children if they weren't doing good in school. your attitude is a reflection of your parents' attitude so were your parents lazy? foul-mouth?
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Wow! I am so shocked at you! I cant believe u compared deafness to poverty! U BAD!!!!! :giggle:
 
Jiro said:
what does deafness have to do with it? weren't we talking about parents disciplining children? it applies to all kinds - hearing, deaf, blind, etc.


huh? what? how exactly did you come to that? I'm talking about parents' attitude toward to disciplining their children if they weren't doing good in school. your attitude is a reflection of your parents' attitude so were your parents lazy? foul-mouth?
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This thread is about improving English skills for deaf people so you are off point. Let's talk about parents who should discipline their deaf children. Okay? Poverty, screw that!

If you went to a deaf school, you wouldn't say things like that.

Long story short. During my times, my old school sent alot of students (between the age of 14-19) to its vocational programs (full-time) to learn a trade such as welding, auto body, woodworking, drafting, sewing and so on because they failed academically. Did their parents discipline their kids? Nope, what for? There are more to it but you would still not understand because you never went to a deaf school.
 
CrazyPaul said:
This thread is about improving English skills for deaf people so you are off point. Let's talk about parents who should discipline their deaf children. Okay? Poverty, screw that!
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that's exactly what I've been talking about. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you.

how exactly does deaf children differ from poor children? both deaf children and poor children are at disadvantage. it is hard for parents. generally - these kids will not succeed well in life if their parents do not discipline them.

CrazyPaul said:
If you went to a deaf school, you wouldn't say things like that.
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why's that? be very careful there.... using a deaf card is a very poor way to argue your case. you're making a pathetic excuse for poor parenting.

if you had my parents, you wouldn't say such pathetic excuse like that. you would be disciplined & punished if you did poorly at school and you would experience hardship. imagine studying and going to private tutors everyday after school until 8pm. imagine being disciplined and punished by my parents for being lazy and not being productive. during summer vacations - my mom took me and my brother to library nearly everyday because I was required to read at least 1-2 books a day. that plus summer camp, SAT prep school, speech therapy, piano lessons, English tutor, etc.

CrazyPaul said:
Long story short. During my times, my old school sent alot of students (between the age of 14-19) to its vocational programs (full-time) to learn a trade such as welding, auto body, woodworking, drafting, sewing and so on because they failed academically. Did their parents discipline their kids? Nope, what for? There are more to it but you would still not understand because you never went to a deaf school.
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and in my time, I have a bunch of friends who went to deaf schools and they have succeeded well in life because of their parents.

let me ask you this - did you discipline your children? were you very involved in your children's lives to ensure that they study well and etc?
 
diehardbiker said:
The problem is that English is based on auditory not visual.
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actually yes and no.

there are 2 kinds of English - spoken and written. Writing English like how you speak it is obviously wrong.

Beside, written English is very difficult because of many grammatical rules.
 
Jiro said:
that's exactly what I've been talking about. I guess I'll have to spell it out for you.

how exactly does deaf children differ from poor children? both deaf children and poor children are at disadvantage. it is hard for parents. generally - these kids will not succeed well in life if their parents do not discipline them.


why's that? be very careful there.... using a deaf card is a very poor way to argue your case. you're making a pathetic excuse for poor parenting.

if you had my parents, you wouldn't say such pathetic excuse like that. you would be disciplined & punished if you did poorly at school and you would experience hardship. imagine studying and going to private tutors everyday after school until 8pm. imagine being disciplined and punished by my parents for being lazy and not being productive. during summer vacations - my mom took me and my brother to library nearly everyday because I was required to read at least 1-2 books a day. that plus summer camp, SAT prep school, speech therapy, piano lessons, English tutor, etc.


and in my time, I have a bunch of friends who went to deaf schools and they have succeeded well in life because of their parents.

let me ask you this - did you discipline your children? were you very involved in your children's lives to ensure that they study well and etc?
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It's very obvious that you don't know about deaf culture.
It'd be best that we move on. I am not gonna reply to your next post in this thread if you keep talking about disciplines which make no difference to those who have LD.
 
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I've found this site to be very helpful:

Towson University’s Online Writing Support

I also recommend, if you have trouble understanding things by reading the explanations first, doing the exercises first. Personally, I hate doing the exercises first and seeing how badly I fail(not a warm fuzzy feeling), but it can help you to understand what you are trying to fix instead of what you are trying to learn, an important distinction.

It's like the Matrix, "You've already made the choice.", now, you need to understand why you made it.
 
As much as some deaf and hard of hearing individuals have the need to improve skills in written composition and reading comprehension in English, AllDeaf is not the right place. AllDeaf is meant to be a social networking website where everyone can interact and discuss everything related to the Deaf culture without the fear of grammatical and spelling corrections from others.

If you are serious about improving your skills in reading comprehension and written composition for English seek out basic adult education courses, local community colleges, or even some vocational services (it depends though, as some offer help with English competency and others do not). If you can afford it, consider hiring a personal deaf tutor with a proven track record of proficiency in written English (preferably at the collegiate level).

Profoundly deaf myself, I gained proficiency in English with the use of a tutor and extensive reading and writing exercises over the course of three years in elementary education. It wasn't easy, I can tell you that, but very worthwhile. Know that proficiency in written English is a skill that takes years to cultivate. It demands hard work and perseverance. I have seen way too many of my fellow deaf and hard-of-hearing peers give up very quickly because it "takes too long" or it is "too hard," and it is rather saddening as I wish nothing more than to see my peers have the same opportunities that I have been more than blessed to have.

I wish all of you the best in your life endeavors.


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sphenix said:
As much as some deaf and hard of hearing individuals have the need to improve skills in written composition and reading comprehension in English, AllDeaf is not the right place. AllDeaf is meant to be a social networking website where everyone can interact and discuss everything related to the Deaf culture without the fear of grammatical and spelling corrections from others.

If you are serious about improving your skills in reading comprehension and written composition for English seek out basic adult education courses, local community colleges, or even some vocational services (it depends though, as some offer help with English competency and others do not). If you can afford it, consider hiring a personal deaf tutor with a proven track record of proficiency in written English (preferably at the collegiate level).

Profoundly deaf myself, I gained proficiency in English with the use of a tutor and extensive reading and writing exercises over the course of three years in elementary education. It wasn't easy, I can tell you that, but very worthwhile. Know that proficiency in written English is a skill that takes years to cultivate. It demands hard work and perseverance. I have seen way too many of my fellow deaf and hard-of-hearing peers give up very quickly because it "takes too long" or it is "too hard," and it is rather saddening as I wish nothing more than to see my peers have the same opportunities that I have been more than blessed to have.

I wish all of you the best in your life endeavors.


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I agree, however I do feel that some deaf and hard-of-hearing can still benefit from improving their written English skills if help was offered on here, even if in the slightest.
 
Auslan_91 said:
I agree, however I do feel that some deaf and hard-of-hearing can still benefit from improving their written English skills if help was offered on here, even if in the slightest.
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Since this forum is a social network, what do you expect from it? Correcting grammars? Most members don't like to be corrected of their grammars in this forum. Move on.
 
Auslan_91 said:
I agree, however I do feel that some deaf and hard-of-hearing can still benefit from improving their written English skills if help was offered on here, even if in the slightest.
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I think, maybe, people can either ask for help, or some members can state in some way (on their page, in signatures, etc.) that they're willing to help if anyone wishes? I personally am willing to help people out if they'd like, but I'm not going to go into forums and start correcting people because that's not what this website is about.
 
StevieMont927 said:
I think, maybe, people can either ask for help, or some members can state in some way (on their page, in signatures, etc.) that they're willing to help if anyone wishes? I personally am willing to help people out if they'd like, but I'm not going to go into forums and start correcting people because that's not what this website is about.
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My mother taught school and I had a 6th grade teacher that was very interested in grammar. She had us diagramming sentences after telling us we could learn it then or in high school. She was right! It DID come up in my high school English classes. Thus, there are many things that jump out at me on this forum although I can no longer actually diagram a sentence.

One of the examples is the use of "s". Sometimes it is stuck on the end of words where it shouldn't be and other times there are words where it should be and isn't. Very common seems to be the use of insurances when both the singular and plural is insurance.

I like the idea you presented that I have added the bold to and would be willing to try to help with no guarantee that I would always be right!
 
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