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Or just admit you're wrong.

I know a lot of older late-deaf that has become part of the Deaf culture, or has expressed interest in it. I have an idea what demographic you're targeting, but by that age-- EVERYONE in their own age group got a hearing loss.

Maybe you should stop categorizing people?
 
Bottesini said:
If you really want to assimilate, you probably have to be the one who completely changes, rather than expecting an established culture to adapt to you.
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That is exactly what assimilation is about. Complete change of the individual to meet the group's demands.
 
I know a lot of older late-deaf that has become part of the Deaf culture, or has expressed interest in it. I have an idea what demographic you're targeting, but by that age-- EVERYONE in their own age group got a hearing loss.
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souggy,
Define "older late deaf" I have seen "older late deaf" adults (especially those who may have been exposed to dhh peers in school due to mainstreaming) be interested in the cutural part of being Dhh, but I've seen just as many stick with HLAA/SHH style stuff.
You really can't generalize and it's hard to say.....but on the other hand it IS true that late deafened people tend to be more on the "hearing impaired" spectrum (b/c they've experianced much of life as a hearing person)
 
It's not they're not comfortable being "hearing impaired." They just don't know where else to go. They just count their blessings they can still drive, they still got a job (if they still have one), that they have a family that care for them, that there such technology liked closed captioning for them. Most of the "non-Deaf" population is like that. Yes, they do get depressed not hearing sound, music et cetera, however... they're just trying to make it day to day. Some become part of the Deaf culture, some express interest, some are unaware, some don't have the time to interact with the Deaf, some just don't really care at all.

Some moan about their losses, some don't. Some see it as a natural order of thing, while others look for methods, cures, fixes. Some just simply change their lifestyle.

To say "HLAA/SHH" is basically stereotyping them and placing them in a very specific group. To me, all it imply is that a person read a forum about other late-deaf-- but never actually sat down and ate breakfast with them via the method they are most comfortable with-- which is usually oral.

Bottesini is right though. The easiest way would be to assimilate, but I don't think most of them out there are aware of that option even, or even know how to leave their old values behind them.
 
shel90 said:
I am seeing a lot of new members coming in here either as implant users themselves or know someone who is an implant user for advice.

It seems like history is repeating itself...most of the advice is about seeking acceptance. If CIs are intended to make deaf people fully accepted in teh hearing world like the advocates say so, then why an influx of new people coming in here saying they wished they knew about the Deaf community and ASL?

This whole oral-only approach is becoming ridiculous. :roll:

It is not only here, but I am seeing it constantly in real life. When will it stop?
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Deafhood journey. Everyone has to go through it at one point in their life.
 
Well I just have to stick my neck in here on this one. First I guess some of you would say late deaf? I've worn hearing aids for over 50 years and have had a CI active just over one month. First to those that were born deaf or those that were deaf very early in life, realize that those in the hearing world ( which is the majority) have no clue as to what it is to be deaf. They can plug their ears all they want and still hear. You can however feel blindness or simulate it. I suspect this is the reason blindness gets tax breaks that deaf don't. Due to the desire to communicate the majority use sound, yet all different. Many, many different languages. I can not understand my wife with sound or writing in her native communication skills. Fortunately she has/is learning English. With that in mind, we have ASL and other means of communication. I used to be able to spell with my deaf friends in grade school but find I am way out of practice now and never did learn ASL, probably due to not knowing any deaf folks in mid,later life.
Now back to the subject, why did I come here? First to find out as much as I could about CI as I had been recommended for one. Had never heard of them 6 months ago. I find a lot of good information here and also some animosity between those that are hearing or partially hearing and those that do not hear at all, the deaf "community" which I admit I don't understand. I just don't see the separation or the need of it. Seems like going backwards to segregation again. Maybe not quite that strong but a separation that I don't feel needs to be there. After all,it's exchange of information regardless of the method. All of us here write, some better than others, and most of us have other means of communication as well. That does not mean we need to look up or down on anyone else. I like to think that maybe I have something to offer once in a while and I know there are many others that have a lot of knowledge and experiences and I for one enjoy reading them. Now for a question being that this is a ha and cl forum. what is the opinion on FM versus magnetic induction. One better than the other and why? Should be people that have some experience with one or the other. How do you use them and for what purpose? General hearing? Music? speech? Noisy places,quiet places. Ok let's see what comes of this.
 
souggy said:
I know, I am just saying, as a writer myself, that I would consider my audience. I am more blunt with d/Deaf people than I am with hearing people because the way the two crowds are treated are vastly different in real life-- so accordingly, they would view things differently online as well.
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When I need to do some serious talking with hearing, I will be as blunt as I am in the Deaf community because that will get their attention.
 
I am old and late deaf. I say Deaf. I am happy being Deaf. I am even a bit proud. Why? It is ME. It is who I am. I had to not only adapt, but form my own habits to suit my new environment. (assimilation) I cant change society. Not the hearing or deaf society. I learned. I am a very proud and late Deaf old lady. Thanks for the support Bots, Jillio and Souggy. You guys are spot on. (as usual)

Skeptic, I find that I too am blunt. I find that it is not only direct, but very efficient. It is less trouble to communicate that way.
 
To say "HLAA/SHH" is basically stereotyping them and placing them in a very specific group. To me, all it imply is that a person read a forum about other late-deaf-- but never actually sat down and ate breakfast with them via the method they are most comfortable with-- which is usually oral.
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So that's where we got confused. What I mean by HLAA/SHHH type of person is someone who does the late deafened forums/listservs, and may be a part of a formal HLAA/SHHH group (they do face to face interaction) But they are basicly "hearing impaired"
Meaning they don't really think of themselves as dhh people (in terms of culture) but rather hearing people without hearing. In other words they don't feel comfortable with the fact that they can't hear AT ALL. They tend more towards Hearing Health 101, and All About The Latest ALDs/Hearing Aids, and if there was a cure tomorrow, they'd take it without a second thought.
You CAN be late/postlingal deafened and not be just exclusively about Hearing Health 101, and of course you can be very positive about being dhh.
Heck, a lot of our late deaf posters here I would descibe as "almost Deaf" (except for the fact that they're not fluent in ASL)
Make sense now?
 
I have very simliar as Lissa. I use both hearing and Deaf world but I wanted to learn in Sign lanaguage. I hang out with hearing people most in my life but I really should to hang out more with Deaf people tho. CI is not cure hearing but it will help you to communicate, speech and listen better with people.



Lissa said:
I believe that CIs do NOT make us fully involved in the hearing world, it is just simply a tool like hearing aids to hear. Just because we have CI's does not mean we want to be involved in the hearing world 24/7.

But I do not know why they are seeking acceptance from AD, you'll have to ask them that. Good question though!

I've grown up with sign language around me, since my cochlear implant I have not wanted to stop using sign, I've wanted to use it more.

Oral-only approach needs to be stamped out, since a lot of CI users do regret having in a oral-only approach as they were growing up but they did not have that choice. Their parents will have choose for them unless they were old enough to decide where they would go to school. I do not regret having an oral only approach when I was in primary school but do wish sign was used in together with that
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