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[Domino Harvey]

Here is what was given to Alex last night:

Alex,
I am not sure how to explain this without getting others into any trouble. You were partially correct in your post. You may remember me as "K9 Cop". The problem is Taylor does not even know it was me.

Several months ago, a member contacted Taylor and told him that an AD member was dealing in child porn. This member was not Ravensteve but was somebody else. The problem that Taylor has is he as made many friends here. He thought that if he became professionally involved, it would be a conflict of interest and would alienate him from members here. He honestly cares about the integrity of this forum and the members here. You should know from his posts what his beliefs are and the type of person he really is. When he says he cares, it is because he really does.

Because of that particular situation, instead of taylor getting involved, he spoke with a lead detective in our agency. He made it perfectly clear his feelings and said he would not alienate his friends over an accusation he could not prove. At his request, our 'CID' unit (Criminal Investigations Division) took over the case. Taylor advised that he would assist if it were necessary, but preferred to stay out of the investigation and to let other detectives handle it. He only asked that he be informed of the results of the investigation.

When the detective received the case about the member dealing in child porn, the character '2hot4you' was developed. Taylor was not the same person, nor was he even aware that 2hot4you was a detective. As far as he was concerned, 2hot4you was a real live 14 year old girl.

One thing about investigations is providing some sort of cover. 2hot4you began posting innocently as a member and interacting with other members on a friendly basis. 2hot4you then made contact with the person who was dealing with the child porn. I will not tell you who that person was because during the investigation, it was determined that the allegations were completely false. It was determined that the person who made the claim to taylor was actually using him to get even with an ex-boyfriend. Taylor was then made aware of the results. He became extremely upset over this and posted about it. Again, he did not know 2hot4you was involved, nor did he have any influence on the investigation.

However, during that investigation, RavenSteve contacted 2hot4you and began requesting to chat with her. those chats became a little more serious over time. The problem we ran into was that we were looking for additional information and needed Taylors assistance. So, '2hot4you' makes contact with taylor via alldeaf. Taylor still has no clue at that time that she is really an undercover detective. As was done previously, Taylor said he would like for a detective to take over the investigation because of his personal involvement with alldeaf. He also insisted this happen because of his past history with Steve. Taylor told me that history could very well sink any case we had and would be brought up in court. It was in everyones interest to let CID handle it completely. Taylor did, however, request to have some participation in it because he is thinking 2hot4you is a real 14 year old girl. Taylor meets with the girls 'guardian' who is infact a Howard County MD police detective. Taylor also meets with 2hot4you, who is actually a 22 year old howard county police officer who looks extremely young for her age. The pictures posted on AD were this actual officer. The photos were taken in the gym of the police station.

So, Taylor now thinks that 2hot4you is a real 14 year old girl and he has no clue what is taking place. Detectives from several jurisdictions did work together, as taylor had posted, as far as Steve was concerned and that investigation. EVERYTHING that taylor posted is what he believed to have been the truth.

Taylor requested to be kept in the loop of the investigation. All of the screen shots that taylor provided to you were given to him by me. He was also given permission by me give you that information and was told that he could post about it freely when the investigation was concluded. Taylor did just that. The reason why I instructed him to do this was because during the investigation of Steve, another person made contact with 2hot4you that was requesting to chat and wanting to get to know her. It was extremely important that the identity of 2hot4you continue, even after things had concluded with Steve. It was decided to keep 2hot4you around after the fact. You will notice that she mentions leaving AD and that was what was supposed to have happened.

 

[Domino Harvey]

Here is the second half:

The problem is I did not give AD members enough credit and many figured something was amiss with the whole situation. Because this third person had requested to chat with 2hot4you and wanted to get to know her, it was important for us to fight the attack and to keep her 'alive'. It is obvious now that any type of cover is no longer there. This is why I decided to come forward to you.

Now, here is the problem I have with Taylor. Keep in mind that Taylor was out of the loop on a lot of things. Detectives from our CID decided to tell him a couple of weeks ago who 2hot4you really was. He became extremely upset over this. There was a school he was interested in attending but said he would not be able to attend (prior to all of this). When he learned of what was taking place, he went DIRECTLY to the Chief of our agency (which is something nobody does. Its breaking the chain of command and is a big no-no). He told the Chief what had occurred and told him he was on the verge of leaving our agency. The Chief ironed things out with him, and put Taylor on a plane to Chicago so he could infact attend the school he wanted to go to. This is why there was no warning that he would be leaving temporarily.

I have known taylor a number of years and I have never, ever seen him this upset. He loves his job very much, so when he said that he was considering resigning, it showed to me and others how much it meant to him. I can only hope that the above explanation is thorough enough for you. I decided it was time to come clean. This is not something I would have even considered other than the fact of Taylors friendships here. I am telling you this for his benefit and his only. He deserves that respect from me.

A couple of facts to clarify the above:
*Taylor was also under the impression that 2hot4you was a real person. He was fooled just as much as everyone else.
*The information Taylor provided you about Steve was what he was given and was instructed to provide. Again, he thinks she is a real person and you can see the passion about it in his posts.
*Taylor was just as appalled as everyone else here. I have never known him to throw up his arms and say screw it, but this time he did.
*Steve did solicit 2hot4you, and as far as taylor was concerned, this is what was taking place.

It was not fair for any of us to put him in that situation. It jeopardizes his friendship with you and other people here and that is what upset him the most. His words to me were 'I feel like I've fucking cheated on my girlfriend' meaning he feels that he is responsible for what occurred here.

There is nothing I can say to you to change your opinion on Taylor. He now knows that everyone believes he is a liar, when he was not. He was only telling what he believed to have been the truth. I don't know how well you know him, but his biggest thing is integrity when it comes to his job. The worse thing anyone can do to him is to call him a liar. If he screws up a case, he openly admits to it, even while in the courtroom. He refuses to ever compromise his integrity in any shape or form.

Taylor knows that this will make him look very bad to members here, no matter how 'innocent' he is. He is in school until late November and I am hoping that he has healed somewhat by then and makes a return. He told me "How can I ever show my face there again?" It may very well be likely that he will not be able to show his face here, no matter how friendly everyone is to him.

I hope you took the time to read this all the way through. Even if Taylor does not return here, I hope you will understand what he was responsible for and what he was not responsible for. I will leave it up to you do deal with the situation as you see fit. Please feel free to post this whole thing on AD. You know your members than I ever will so I sent this to you instead of posting it. Please feel free to do as you feel is right.

 

[Heath]

Taylor is a real life police officer. that i have no doubt of... its 2hot4u/domino that is not 14 years old girl but instead is a 22 years old police officer... if that was true.... i will hide in somewhere dark in shame... (not shamed that they did a good job but shamed that im such a fool, believing all this...)

Undercover work has to be deceptive in order for a undercover cop to pass as a 14 yr. old girl when in reality, it is a 22 years old police officer. There is nothing bad to feel about. I know it can be embarrassing to believe something that is not true. At least you do not have a very dangerous criminal telling you a lie and be happy you had a undercover cop telling you a " lie " as part of his job. I would be interested in hearing what Taylor has to say when he is able come back online when-ever he has the chance to be on AllDeaf.com

 

[SpiceHD]

thank you domino for coming clean... i understand now and is not holding you or taylor responsible for this mess.

i hope taylor will be back here and i also hope u will stick around too.

(i forgive easily lol)

the important thing is... the pedo is gone. hm?

 

[jazzy]

Domino Harvey, thank for come forward. I was suspect at first esp when u say something funny in your posts and knew u were not exactly what u try to say. Sorry your cover is blown but I do remember someone in the past who made threat against AD by go to police and hopefully to shut this down. He was banned long time ago. I think whole thing was all about revenge from this person.

 

[Opal]

Police would test to see if BD is eligible to pry on kids in online, I am glad its had happen to a 22 years old lady playing a puppet (bait) as she is doing it to stop hurting next victim/s. (perhaps this time it would be real underage kid).

Now they have the evidence to show he is willing to go further - he is dangerous.

There are few undercover polices around to catch TRAP!!!
And have you heard of undercover police pretend to be a hire hit men to save the victims, they need EVIDENCE to arrest them!!

After reading Domino Harvey's post, its what I thought the same too.

You are lucky to look young for your age!

 

[Cheri]

Sorry, I don't buy it, I am waiting on Alex to double check the real identify of that person, because the private message sounds like someone who is intelligent wrote that private message compares to what I've read by Domino Harvey ack 2hot4u here at AD.

Anyone can copy and pasted someone's words and put in private message, make it look like this person wrote it. I'm not going to be a fool to take anyone's word for it.

 

[Opal]

Well, you know, its against the police to reveal too much information until the court hearing first?

 

[Cheri]

You're missing the point, read all the posts made by 2hot4u ack Domino Harvey and the private message, between these two, their english grammar don't even match up.

 

[jazzy]

Sorry, I don't buy it, I am waiting on Alex to double check the real identify of that person, because the private message sounds like someone who is intelligent wrote that private message compares to what I've read by Domino Harvey ack 2hot4u here at AD.

Anyone can copy and pasted someone's words and put in private message, make it look like this person wrote it. I'm not going to be a fool to take anyone's word for it.

Maybe your right, let say this is not real cop but an imposter act alike cop then this person break a law. We wait and see what Alex say about this.

P.S. is it possible steveraven was innocent whole time, never happen?

 

[Reba]

As I have posted before in other threads, unless you have met someone face-to-face from AD, you really don't know if someone is being honest about his or her identity. That's why you have to be careful, and take every post with a grain of salt, and check it out before taking any action.

Beware of spiders on the Web.

 

[CutePommie]

Well never to understand why have to be someone to be cover up as 14 years old who is the real police officer of 22 years old ... and in other thread this Domino said * now school is back i have to focus *.. Hmmm this interesting me that i does to know most of them usa does finished their school years or college by the age of 21 years old .. how come this person is the 22 years old as the police officer .. does it make any sense?.. okay other thing if someone here never had met Taylor in real life .. and .. the police dept where Taylor's work ( only as if he is the real cop). they wouldn't giving out any of the information to this person where about is Taylor doesn't matter if he is at work or on vacation. because someone here only know Talyor by this internet world that haven't met in person. ... I does to know the Police dept wouldn't not allow to giving out any information whoever ask them to want to know where is this person Talyor.
So let it have to wait and what happen when Taylor come back and he have to tell us for himself And ... remember this is the internet world and we can not to see what they goes on or doing. as like that what Alex said we have to move on. So hopefully that Alex will do his best to find out if it all in for the real or not..
...

 

[Cheri]

Maybe your right,

P.S. is it possible steveraven was innocent whole time, never happen?

If I'm wrong I'll even make a public apology, I just want the truth that's all.

Steve is still responsible no matter what because he did went for it even post about his type in public, even if it was wrong, so he got what he deserved to get, if it wasn't for Taylor or Domino Harvey, Steve could strike on a real underage teen, so they caught him before he done harm.

You're correct Reba that's why I have some feeling that something isn't right because stories and tales are not even matching up, it gives me reasonable doubts.

 

[Boult]

cheri, it is not "ack" it is "aka" short for "also known as"

 

[Theseus]

You're missing the point, read all the posts made by 2hot4u ack Domino Harvey and the private message, between these two, their english grammar don't even match up.

Cheri, I've been following the entire storyline without even getting personally involved the last few months.

What is good is that Domino Harvey got involved, one way or another, otherwise Steve/RS/BD would still be around... be grateful that Domino was even around.

You may not think the grammar matches up, however Domino already said that he/she was "K9 Cop" here in the forums as per his/her PM to Alex. Did you look at the grammar K9 Cop was using in his/her pms? It matches up with the grammar shown in the PM. K9's Posts

2hot4u uses lowercase letters, but K9 Cop uses correct capitiliation--and their "line of reasoning" from sentence to sentence sounds awfully similar (to me, at least).

Also, when someone uses an unknown or suspicious username, such as "Domino Harvey", (and being someone who enjoys reading autobiographies) I like to look up its origin.

Who was "Domino Harvey"? Answer: a bounty hunter.

Domino Harvey

"A bounty hunter"--get it? I found it ironic many, if not all, of you hadn't noticed this.

Domino Harvey, whether others believe you or not, I appreciate that you did this and got a potentially serious problem out of the way.

/end of rant

 

[Theseus]

Well never to understand why have to be someone to be cover up as 14 years old who is the real police officer of 22 years old ... and in other thread this Domino said * now school is back i have to focus *.. Hmmm this interesting me that i does to know most of them usa does finished their school years or college by the age of 21 years old .. how come this person is the 22 years old as the police officer .. does it make any sense?.. okay other thing if someone here never had met Taylor in real life .. and .. the police dept where Taylor's work ( only as if he is the real cop). they wouldn't giving out any of the information to this person where about is Taylor doesn't matter if he is at work or on vacation. because someone here only know Talyor by this internet world that haven't met in person. ... I does to know the Police dept wouldn't not allow to giving out any information whoever ask them to want to know where is this person Talyor.
So let it have to wait and what happen when Taylor come back and he have to tell us for himself And ... remember this is the internet world and we can not to see what they goes on or doing. as like that what Alex said we have to move on. So hopefully that Alex will do his best to find out if it all in for the real or not..
...

Domino Harvey was still undercover at the time he/she said that. Domino was saying it as a 14-year-old, not a 22-year-old like you're thinking.

 

[Theseus]

if it wasn't for Taylor or Domino Harvey, Steve could strike on a real underage teen, so they caught him before he done harm.

I agree, and I hope that Taylor will feel like coming back in late November or December without others questioning his moral integrity. I've read a lot of his posts, although never responded to any, and he does not seem like the type of person who would intentionally lie unless it was mandatory to protecting others.

 

[CutePommie]

Domino Harvey was still undercover at the time he/she said that. Domino was saying it as a 14-year-old, not a 22-year-old like you're thinking.

Did i say thinking? eh that what i see Alex had post it that she is not real 14 years old and it was undercover who is the 22 years old 'police officer' you need re-read thoughout ok thank you ..Okay add to it... it all getting so confused here ... .... i does to agree with bear's comments down here....

 

[Cheri]

Theseus,

Read my post number 173 without Taylor and Domino Harvey we wouldn't know about Steve. Of course they did hell of a job, I'm not even doubting that.

And I'm still waiting for Alex to confirm the true identify

 

[Bear]

Well all I have to say on the subject is:

1. This is really making me wonder if I want to continue being an Alldeaf member.

The reason for this is *and I will most likely be another one banned for saying it*, is that the trust in the mods and admin seems to be deterioating. After having read all nine pages, I have seen some members banned seemingly for unfair reasons. So, now I feel very *walking on egg-shells* in my own posting.

2. Questions do not seem to be answered here in All-deaf.

I see this on both the parts of the mods and on those involved in the investigations. I do realize the mods and admins are waiting on answers too. But I have seen several good questions come up for the mods to answer and I have seen alot of side stepping going on.

Right now this doesnt feel as a home atmosphere anymore. It feels more like a police-state to me right now. Anyone going against the grain and demanding answers are being banned. And others are allowed to say almost anything and NOT being banned. There were several posts in this thread, I was like feeling incredulous that that person is still not banned.

I realize this post here could get me banned. I hope not, but if it does then I will just take a much needed vacation from the net. LOL

I also deeply feel the divide in All-deaf right now. And that is also affecting my feelings about staying in All-deaf. I think I will check on the posts that I made and maybe reply to them hopefully before I get banned *if I do* and then take a night's break from AD and then maybe things will feel better to me by Monday morning. Who knows?

I would hate to leave my All-deaf family, but right now I see alot of apprehension in alot of members posting. There is fear here of retaliation and that is really affecting the all-deaf atmosphere. Even I am fearing retaliation for making this post So that shows what the members are feeling.

Alex, I personally believe that you and the mods did a very good job in handling the BD/Ravensteve issue. I do not know your reasons for allowing him to return, but it sure sounds like he shouldn't have been allowed to return, just from the threats that have happened in the past. But, I do understand having a soft-heart. There is no fault in that.

If I do end up leaving AD it wouldnt be permenant I dont believe, but it would be a good long while before I would feel confident enough to return. But, like I said maybe Monday will feel and look differently. If not I will miss those friendships I forged in here.

I wish I could suggest how to return the atmosphere to pre- BD state but I have no solution.

Hopefully, the trust in the mods and admin returns to us all soon.