if someone could help me

ps

just to add her speech isnt great so i was told to concentrate on this and isl would distract from this.
thanks

You'll find some "professionals" who make comments like that. My son has a hearing loss similiar to your daughters. I have always signed with him, and he has very good speech and articulation.

My position on that comment is that it's categorically false, and doesn't allow your daughter to have full access to language and communication. I wonder if that person considered how your daughter gains information at night when her HA's are off, or when she's playing in the pool? To essentially cut her off from language and communication will not allow her to continue fostering her language skills.

There have been studies that have shown that sign language actually helps with speech and articulation.

How old is your daughter? That's exciting you live in Ireland- that's one of the top places I want to travel to. Where, generally in Ireland are you?
 
My hearing loss is at the severe range. I have been wearing hearing aids since I was six months old. I too had those "funny noises" growing up. I was told by doctors that it could be that my hearing aids need to be turned down. It's like when hearing poeple go to those loud concerts and then get ringing in their ears. My tinnitus has been reduced as I grew up. I still get them occasionally, but not as bad as when I was little. Hope this helps.
 
Give your daughter the full toolbox

hiya
at the moment leah goes to mainstream school and is doing well. definitly misses out on things but overall doing well . but just like the way you felt she feels like she is the only one in the world whos ears dont work ( thats how she describes herself). i have been told not to teach her sign language as this will make her speech suffer and segregate her further from society, is this wrong should we all learn. i did really want us all to especially just in case her hearing gets worse.
anyway thank you for taking time to help me.

ps
just to add her speech isnt great so i was told to concentrate on this and isl would distract from this.
thanks

IMO (In My Opinion) I think you've been given poor and out-of-date advice. There's some truth, but you haven't been given all the facts.

It is wrong to say that a child is only capable of learning one language. There are millions of children all over the world who grow up speaking two languages. Remember there are hearing children born to deaf parents who can communicate in both sign and spoken languages.

However sign language uses different parts of the brain to spoken language, and the fear behind the advice you've been given is that if your daughter was to concentrate exclusively on sign language, then her skills in spoken language may not develop as well. The worry is that her speech may never be good enough to be accepted by the hearing world. Essentially you are being advised to "force" your daughter to learn speech, a skill that is almost impossible to do well in if you can't hear yourself accurately. Would you ask a child with a permanent limp to run with children whose legs work perfectly, exposing them to ridicule?

The scientific research that I know about advise that the best approach for bringing up deaf/hoh children is to teach them both the spoken language and sign language. I was a governor of a mainstream school where we had a specialist HI (Hearing Impaired) Unit for deaf children and this was our approach - sometimes known as "total communication" or the "full toolbox" - meaning that you give deaf/hoh children every single tool they need to communicate and to find their place in the wider world. It involves improving the children's spoken language skills alongside their signing skills. It's a "both-and" strategy rather than an "either-or" one.

It also involves giving them access to both the deaf (small d) and Deaf (big D) worlds. This gives children the opportunity to make connections with other children like themselves, and to adults who have been in the same or similiar situation.

Essentially it's about giving deaf/hoh children choice.

Please note that children want to be close to their parents, so they will nearly always choose the language of their parents. My advice is that you and your family learn sign language so she is given a genuine choice, and the widest possible language skills, spoken and signed. Language isn't just about fitting into society. It's also about expressing what's inside ourselves. We reveal our personality, our needs, our wants and feelings. We also need to communicate with people who "get" us, who understand where we come from.

Your daughter has grasped the reality that her ears don't work properly. It's the solid truth that has to be faced up to. She will always be missing out on things that hearing people get. She will never fit in 100% into the hearing world. I'm writing as a deaf/hoh person who grew up in a hearing family, went to a hearing school, then university and then worked for two decades in a job surrounded by hearing people. My wife is hearing and my kids are too. I am as integrated into the hearing world as it is possible to be, but I have never fitted in 100%.

And it has come at a big psychological cost. I have grown up believing I am a defective, faulty hearing person. Every day I make embarrassing mistakes and miss out on things that everybody else around me doesn't. To fit into the hearing world, I was taught to pretend that I was hearing too. Every day I have to bluff and kid people that I heard when I didn't. Every day I have to live a lie and be somebody I'm not. The pyschological cost to me is that I have suffered from depression nearly all of my adult life. My concern is that the advice given to you, which was the same given to my parents, may end up making your daughter very miserable in the future.

Finally, I admit that I'm not totally objective here. But since coming onto AllDeaf and reading the stories of other deaf people who were made to grow up in the hearing world, I now know that my experiences are not unusual. If I could go back in time, I would want to have been given the opportunity to have my feet in both the hearing and Deaf world. I still appreciate my ability to function in the hearing world with my speech language, but emotionally I would be much healthier having deaf friends to communicate with in sign language. It's d/Deaf people who "get" me and understand my struggles. Because I didn't get this understanding, I grew up as a loner, and I had the corrosive impression that I was defective and abnormal. Instead of being told to fit in and be somebody I'm not, I should have been shown how to be me.

My prayer is that you help your daughter be the special unique person she is, and to accept that one aspect of that special uniqueness is her deafness. Give her the "full toolbox" to communicate her uniqueness.
 
hi every body again. im so delighted to have found you all.
AJWSMITH thank you for telling me your experience , it really makes me think i could be doing it so wrong for leah, i definitly will try and find classes for isl for us all ( i have four children ). is all sign language different country to country surely if we all speak english then all our sign language would be the same??? thank you again

cjstlfan516 thank you for replying to me. thats reassuring that your tinnitus improved and good point about her hearing aids. thanks

CSIGN hi how are you and again thanks for replying to me. leah is 7. how old is your little boy, do you mind me asking you if you know the reason why your son has his hearing problem and if so how did you find out.
yep im from ireland and although im biased it really is the most beautiful country. if you can you should come. im from county kildare. ive never been to america and i can see that your from california wow to me thats exciting, we get a lot of american tourists over here and all seem to be amazed at what a small country we are. you can drive from east to west ( dublin to galway) in 3 hours. but mostly the lovely americans i meet seem to really love the irish culture , the oldness and steep intense
history of things , the laid back nature of the irish people and of course the millions of pubs and guinness.( more pubs than people)
but honestly right now im starting to get angry at the lack of facilities and support for leah my country is giving me and am wondering if we were from america would things be different for her and her future.
but to me california sounds so amazing. the weather must be gorgeous . if you do come over please please bring that sunshine with you. talk soon i hope.
 
My hearing loss is at the severe range. I have been wearing hearing aids since I was six months old. I too had those "funny noises" growing up. I was told by doctors that it could be that my hearing aids need to be turned down. It's like when hearing poeple go to those loud concerts and then get ringing in their ears. My tinnitus has been reduced as I grew up. I still get them occasionally, but not as bad as when I was little. Hope this helps.

same with you, I wore hearing aids since I was 6 months old.
 
You'll find some "professionals" who make comments like that. My son has a hearing loss similiar to your daughters. I have always signed with him, and he has very good speech and articulation.

My position on that comment is that it's categorically false, and doesn't allow your daughter to have full access to language and communication. I wonder if that person considered how your daughter gains information at night when her HA's are off, or when she's playing in the pool? To essentially cut her off from language and communication will not allow her to continue fostering her language skills.

There have been studies that have shown that sign language actually helps with speech and articulation.

How old is your daughter? That's exciting you live in Ireland- that's one of the top places I want to travel to. Where, generally in Ireland are you?


:gpost: :gpost: :thumb:
 
IMO (In My Opinion) I think you've been given poor and out-of-date advice. There's some truth, but you haven't been given all the facts.

It is wrong to say that a child is only capable of learning one language. There are millions of children all over the world who grow up speaking two languages. Remember there are hearing children born to deaf parents who can communicate in both sign and spoken languages.

However sign language uses different parts of the brain to spoken language, and the fear behind the advice you've been given is that if your daughter was to concentrate exclusively on sign language, then her skills in spoken language may not develop as well. The worry is that her speech may never be good enough to be accepted by the hearing world. Essentially you are being advised to "force" your daughter to learn speech, a skill that is almost impossible to do well in if you can't hear yourself accurately. Would you ask a child with a permanent limp to run with children whose legs work perfectly, exposing them to ridicule?

The scientific research that I know about advise that the best approach for bringing up deaf/hoh children is to teach them both the spoken language and sign language. I was a governor of a mainstream school where we had a specialist HI (Hearing Impaired) Unit for deaf children and this was our approach - sometimes known as "total communication" or the "full toolbox" - meaning that you give deaf/hoh children every single tool they need to communicate and to find their place in the wider world. It involves improving the children's spoken language skills alongside their signing skills. It's a "both-and" strategy rather than an "either-or" one.

It also involves giving them access to both the deaf (small d) and Deaf (big D) worlds. This gives children the opportunity to make connections with other children like themselves, and to adults who have been in the same or similiar situation.

Essentially it's about giving deaf/hoh children choice.

Please note that children want to be close to their parents, so they will nearly always choose the language of their parents. My advice is that you and your family learn sign language so she is given a genuine choice, and the widest possible language skills, spoken and signed. Language isn't just about fitting into society. It's also about expressing what's inside ourselves. We reveal our personality, our needs, our wants and feelings. We also need to communicate with people who "get" us, who understand where we come from.

Your daughter has grasped the reality that her ears don't work properly. It's the solid truth that has to be faced up to. She will always be missing out on things that hearing people get. She will never fit in 100% into the hearing world. I'm writing as a deaf/hoh person who grew up in a hearing family, went to a hearing school, then university and then worked for two decades in a job surrounded by hearing people. My wife is hearing and my kids are too. I am as integrated into the hearing world as it is possible to be, but I have never fitted in 100%.

And it has come at a big psychological cost. I have grown up believing I am a defective, faulty hearing person. Every day I make embarrassing mistakes and miss out on things that everybody else around me doesn't. To fit into the hearing world, I was taught to pretend that I was hearing too. Every day I have to bluff and kid people that I heard when I didn't. Every day I have to live a lie and be somebody I'm not. The pyschological cost to me is that I have suffered from depression nearly all of my adult life. My concern is that the advice given to you, which was the same given to my parents, may end up making your daughter very miserable in the future.

Finally, I admit that I'm not totally objective here. But since coming onto AllDeaf and reading the stories of other deaf people who were made to grow up in the hearing world, I now know that my experiences are not unusual. If I could go back in time, I would want to have been given the opportunity to have my feet in both the hearing and Deaf world. I still appreciate my ability to function in the hearing world with my speech language, but emotionally I would be much healthier having deaf friends to communicate with in sign language. It's d/Deaf people who "get" me and understand my struggles. Because I didn't get this understanding, I grew up as a loner, and I had the corrosive impression that I was defective and abnormal. Instead of being told to fit in and be somebody I'm not, I should have been shown how to be me.

My prayer is that you help your daughter be the special unique person she is, and to accept that one aspect of that special uniqueness is her deafness. Give her the "full toolbox" to communicate her uniqueness.

:gpost: :gpost: You have said what we all want to say to the hearing people about that. You really took our words out to the hearing parents. That is really great. I envy you a lot. :thumb:
 
OMG AJWSmith, you expressed it perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
at the moment leah goes to mainstream school and is doing well. definitly misses out on things but overall doing well . but just like the way you felt she feels like she is the only one in the world whos ears dont work ( thats how she describes herself). i have been told not to teach her sign language as this will make her speech suffer and segregate her further from society, is this wrong should we all learn. i did really want us all to especially just in case her hearing gets worse.
It is very common for kids to do well early on but then start having issues as the work gets harder.
Again, look into camps and summer programs. What you were told is wrong.
As long as she gets decent quality speech therapy, she will do well orally. ISL will not "segregate" her. It will help her gain access to the Deaf World/ community as well as the hearing world. On another messageboard a parent said she talked with oral deaf adults. They said that they were glad they could hear and talk, but that they still didn't feel like they fit in fully in the hearing world.
 
I am new here too and from what I have read you have recieved some very good advice. I would just like to make a comment on tintus. Even people that can hear have it. To discrible it to you, the rushing and windy sounds are one but there are also times when it sounds like a radio station when you are trying to find the right station. Or spacecraft sounds. Both of those are VERY loud (mine are anyway)but they don't cause you to lose your hearing. It is a byproduct. For me it was at least a SOUND after I lost my hearing and unless it was very loud I learned to ignore it. Your daughter will learn how to deal with it as time goes on.
 
hiya
at the moment leah goes to mainstream school and is doing well. definitly misses out on things but overall doing well . but just like the way you felt she feels like she is the only one in the world whos ears dont work ( thats how she describes herself). i have been told not to teach her sign language as this will make her speech suffer and segregate her further from society, is this wrong should we all learn. i did really want us all to especially just in case her hearing gets worse.
anyway thank you for taking time to help me.

Who told you not to teach sign language? Friends and family? Professionals of some sort? Maybe misinformed?

I've got maybe 20 evaluations from different medical and educational professionals during months of testing to determine my child's hearing loss -- from ENTs to audis to psychologists and educational consultants -- recommending sign language for my child. Several of these from a premiere children's hospital and leaders in their fields. Not one professional has ever suggested we not use sign for any reason.

Two different hospitals, 2 different audis, both recommending sign language as a first and most critical step, even while pursuing HAs:
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hi everyone . im am so amazed at all the brilliant feedback im getting and again a massive thank you to all. i actually wrote a huge post on sunday but for some reason it didnt post so i hope im doing this ok.
AJWSMITH
 
sorry pressed enter too early
AJWSMITH thank you for sharing your experiences with me and i will definitly be introducing leah to isl ,
DEAFDYKE thank you for replying and i will try and look into summer camps for her.
STARCOSMO that reassures me about her tinnitus. please god it will be something that wont make things worse or drive her mad .
HAZZARD never heard of ndcs but will look it up now thanks
CSIGN thanks for replying to me. leah is 7 how old is your little boy. i hope he is doing well. ireland is the most beautiful country ever and you should definitly come over if you can but to me i think california sounds very very exciting wow if you do come over please please bring us some of your sunshine.
thanks a million guys am so happy to have found ye all
 
Problems in posting on a thread

i actually wrote a huge post on sunday but for some reason it didnt post so i hope im doing this ok.

I had the same experience, writing one long post three times and each time it never appeared after submitting (what a waste of time!). Through trial and error I discovered the problem - for some reason I cannot post on a thread that I have also subscribed to for updates. Instead, I have to either subscribe to the whole forum or alternatively keep manually checking for updates on that thread. I do this via the 'New Posts' screen or by manually visiting the forum opening page that lists all the threads.
 
Leahsmom- my son is the same age as your daughter. I don't know what resources are available in Ireland, but I'd suggest you try to get involved with the Deaf community. I think they might be able to provide her with positive reinforcement that it seems she may need right now. Also, if you could start taking a class to learn how to sign, your daughter will reap all the benefits in the world. The way she can most effectively access information is visually, and there is nothing wrong with that. I would disregard what some people have told you in regards to using sign language. They are clearly uneducated when it comes to deafness.
Are you in Northern Ireland, or the Irish Free States (that's what it's called, right?)? I'm primarily of Irish dissent, and feel a strong connection to this beautiful country I've never been to. Maybe when I finally make it over, I can introduce my son to your daughter ;-) does she wear hearing aids?
 
Just wondering........Have you contacted the Irish Association of the Deaf? They may be able to help you with camps and things like that. They may also know of things like Deaf Units.....(which seems simliar to our dhh programs) and how to work the system to get good accomondations in the mainstream. I think they will be impressed that a parent of a hoh kid wants them to learn Sign!
Unfortunatly, it does seem like Ireland(meaning their educational policy) may have bought into the hoh kids don't "need" Sign and Deaf Ed, and that all we need is minimal accomondations in the mainstream. :roll: I think that's b/c traditionally the deaf ed system was oral......Fight for Leah's right to learn ISL AND maybe even a Deaf Unit. One major plus with Deaf Ed that is housed at a hearing school is that the hearing/mainstream teachers will be more experianced with teaching dhh kids then someone at a local mainstream school.
 
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first don't let anyone tell you that your daughter can't do something because she can do anything that she sets her mind to don't treat her any different and please learn sign because you belong to 2 worlds now the hearing and the deaf God has given you a wonderful gift in this child and you will learn and grow with her. As I have with my son my son was born almost 19 years ago without ears and it has been a experience I would do all over again. he plays sports goes on date and will be gratuating 4 in his class in a regular school next week this fall he will be entering RIT pursig a degree in crimminal justice. There will be days that you will get frustrated but you will make it how old is your daughter:lol:
 
hi and thank you again for your brilliant advise.

hiya csign good to hear from you. im from the republic part of ireland not in the north am down south. would love to meet up with you and your son if ye both make it over to our gorgeous country. where do your family come from in ireland. we had your president and his beautyful wife over here yesterday . he is such an amazing down to earth man. we had a big concert in dublin for him and tens and tens and tens thousands of people went to see him. he was brilliant . great speech and so friendly with everyone. coming down to the crowds and even talking to peoples mams on their mobile phones. he also went to visit where his family come from , he doesnt look irish but his grandads grandad was and he went to visit the town he came from . he was brilliant spent ages shaking hands with people and his wife too , holding babies and having a great time. he even went in to the local and had pints of guinness and mrs obama even learned how to pull one. he was such a laugh and everyone over here fell in love with them. you all must be so proud to have such a lovely man as your president. if you look up our new station RTÉ Ireland's National Television and Radio Broadcaster you might see clips from his day.
hope to talk to you soon
 
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