Idaho woman accidentally shot and killed by 2-year-old in Wal-Mart

[whatdidyousay!]

The mother looked like a teenager, not a nuclear scientist. What someone said, she sounds very bright but made a huge mistake which cost her life.

She was 29 years old .

 

[CrazyPaul]

Hopefully other parents/relatives/family friends are aware of this tragic event so they don't let it happen like that. I read that a gun expert can't believe that a child that young can trigger a gun.

 

[Lau2046]

I read that a gun expert can't believe that a child that young can trigger a gun.

He couldn't have been much of an "expert." All you need is your finger in the trigger guard. Mas Ayoob is....

Kids and Guns: Mas Ayoob on Proven Safety Methods

By: Massad Ayoob | February 6, 2014

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Massad Ayoob argues that when it comes to gun safety in the home, you can’t childproof your guns, so you have to gunproof your children.

From electrical outlets to power saws to automobiles to household poisons to, yes, guns, there are things in American households that can hurt or kill our children. Those things must be kept from their hands until they have matured to a level of responsibility that allows them access.

Hiding guns in hollowed out books is an ancient trick, but may not fool a burglar left alone in your home.

A mantra of those who would ban firearms has long been, “Think of the children!” They will find a case where a child got hold of a loaded gun that was left carelessly accessible to them, with tragedy resulting, and play it up – ignoring the fact that today’s kids are far more likely to drown in a family swimming pool or even a bathtub than to be killed in a firearms accident.
They will also ignore the fact that accidental firearms deaths have long trended downward despite demonstrable, empirical proof that there are far more guns in American homes now than ever before.
Back in the 1980s, I wrote a short book called Gunproof Your Children. It’s still in print, available from Police Bookshelf, PO Box 122, Concord, NH 03302. I called it that because, then and now, my conclusion has always been that you can’t childproof your guns, so you have to gunproof your children.
The theory of hiding guns from the kids is a loser’s game. Do we seriously think we are the first generation of parents to outsmart our children? Was there anything your parents could hide from you where you couldn’t find it if left to your own devices?
You can secure your guns in gun safes to which only you have the combination, but you can’t successfully hide them. Not from your children, and not from a burglar with unlimited time in your home.
There are gun-hiding clocks and wall-hangings and such, but give unauthorized hands time enough, and they will find them. Books hollowed out to hold small handguns have been with us since the nineteenth century at least.
Trouble is, that fourteen-year-old nephew you’re taking care of may decide to read that book when you’re not looking, and burglars know that people hide greenbacks inside the pages of ordinary books, and are known to rifle through them looking for cash.
What this writer found decades ago was that when the kids are not yet responsible, you keep the guns secure from them, where you and other responsible adults can access them and the children simply can’t. It becomes clear as soon as you look at it with a practical and unbiased eye that if the gun is kept on your person, it is at once instantly accessible to you but inaccessible to unauthorized hands.
Child psychologists tell us that children crave two things they don’t yet have: power and responsibility. Both are absolutely embodied in the gun. Look at how many heroes and power figures in the entertainment media carry and wield them. This makes guns magnets to the hands of children.

The GunVault is a popular and effective quick-access handgun safe for the home.

My work required me to have firearms not only in the home, but – due to death threats that stemmed from my work, and the fact that I was almost always on call for the police department I was sworn to serve – at least one or more of those guns had to be always loaded and ready. The route I took was to educate my kids in firearms.
When each was five years old, I started them helping me to clean my guns. It de-mystified them, and it also de-glamorized them. (“Eew! Yuck! Gross! They’re oily and dirty!”)
One benefit was that if one of my kids was at some other kid’s house and that little brat took their daddy’s gun out of the nightstand drawer, my kid knew how to unload and neutralize it – how to “de-fang the snake.” Both my kids started shooting at age six, and won national champion shooting titles in their teens.
Each is now a gun-owning parent of a next generation of kids who won’t have tragic accidents with firearms.
This article is an excerpt from Gun Safety in the Home By Massad Ayoob.

 

[CrazyPaul]

He couldn't have been much of an "expert." All you need is your finger in the trigger guard. Mas Ayoob is....

Well, the gun expert (she) said that a gun should have a safety lock (under law) and the gun should be harder for a child to trigger (under law). I know no shit about gun laws but she pointed those things out. Argue with her, not me.

 

[Lau2046]

Well, the gun expert (she) said that a gun should have a safety lock (under law) and the gun should be harder for a child to trigger (under law).

Well, that right there tells me it's a liberal who doesn't own guns. With any firearm, no matter how they're built - YOU are the safety, and responsible gun ownership always begins and end with the owner of the firearm.

 

[Foxrac]

Or no guns at all.

I disagree...

 

[Reba]

Well, that right there tells me it's a liberal who doesn't own guns. With any firearm, no matter how they're built - YOU are the safety, and responsible gun ownership always begins and end with the owner of the firearm.

Right.

I think non-gun people also confuse terminology. They don't always understand the difference between a gun's built-in safety, a separate trigger lock, or gun safety (procedures), their uses, or the laws that pertain to each.

 

[Foxrac]

HUH??? You repeated what I said and that made it right ??? I SAID IT WOULD BE HORBBILE FOR THE SON TO KNOW HOW HIS MOM DIE WHEN HE IS OLDER !

You need quit to throw tantrum, please.

It has no place in our thread and it is very tragic event.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Well, that right there tells me it's a liberal who doesn't own guns. With any firearm, no matter how they're built - YOU are the safety, and responsible gun ownership always begins and end with the owner of the firearm.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...BlitzRss&utm_campaign=usatoday-newstopstories

I agree that it's a gun owner's responsibility. However, what if a gun owner is fu*cked up like forgetting to hide the gun away from the children? Anyway that gun expert I talked about owns Sharp Shooting Indoor Range & Gun Shop (for 20 years?).

Ball said Rutledge's handgun, if it were of recent vintage, likely had no external safety mechanisms. Many newer firearms have the safeties on the inside.

Gun manufacturers instituted those changes after complaints from law enforcement officers, she said. As a trade-off, gun makers made it harder for triggers to be pulled.
Many firearms now require at least 5 pounds of pressure for a trigger to work, she said. That's nearly twice as much pressure as in older guns.
"A couple pounds of pressure makes a lot of difference when we're talking about the weight of a trigger," Ball said.

 

[Woody]

I never keep a round in the chamber. Too risky.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Right.

I think non-gun people also confuse terminology. They don't always understand the difference between a gun's built-in safety, a separate trigger lock, or gun safety (procedures), their uses, or the laws that pertain to each.

Oh boy, I just said what the gun expert said. See my recent post, please.

 

[Reba]

Oh boy, I just said what the gun expert said. See my recent post, please.

I didn't name you.

 

[CrazyPaul]

I didn't name you.

Oh, well... I am one of non-gun people so I thought you talked about me. My bad, anyway what do you think of the gun store owner's statement? I think she has a good point, doesn't she? She was surprised that the tot was able to fire.

A gun-shop owner in Spokane, Wash., considers the shooting highly improbable, something she's never seen before.

 

[Lau2046]

I agree that it's a gun owner's responsibility. However, what if a gun owner is fu*cked up like forgetting to hide the gun away from the children?

That describes most of the anti gun politicians very nicely. If you read the news out of California, many so called anti gun actors own guns. They have no clue to have to use it or how to maintain it. Can anyone recall Robert Blake "forgetting" his gun in the restaurant where he dined shortly before he killed his second wife? (Or maybe like O.J. Simpson - people are still looking for the "real killer.") Or how any slew of entertainers go to the airport and just "forget" that they had a gun in the luggage? Now how did that get there all by itself...

Let's remove guns from the story. How many children have died from swallowing Bleach? Who was supposed to be watching them? Why was Bleach in a place that the child was able to get to and open? You don't see a movement to ban cleaners. There's many children that have drowned in toilets. Again, who was supposed to be watching them? Should we ban toilets?

There's this liberal theory that a safe gun is one with a ten pound trigger pull that you can't use. A safe pistol is one that you can't load the mags or rack the slide. If these guns are so safe, why aren't cops using them? Why don't we sell Massachusetts approved guns to the Secret Service or the CIA? I'm mean they're really "safe." It's because if you have to struggle to pull the trigger, you'll likely miss your target and kill someone you didn't intend to harm....but law makers are OK selling guns that are hard to use in my state. The woman in this sad story was probably a brilliant woman that lacked common sense. If you have children, the gun should always be under your control: on your person - not in a purse. She made an unfortunate and foolish mistake, but it was an error in judgement that she alone made.

With regard to experts - there are many gun shop owners that have a limited understanding of gun laws. I'm sure this surprises many people but it's true. They know the laws in terms of operating a gun shop but it doesn't mean they're experts in gun ownership. However, Massad Ayoob is:

http://massadayoobgroup.com/who/

Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement editor of AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of more than a dozen books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme,” widely considered to be the authoritative text on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob is one of approximately ten Five Gun Masters among the 10,000-member International Defensive Pistol Association, and was the first to earn that title. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and has been a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for over three decades. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appears in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).


and so is this gentleman:


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014.../?intcmp=ob_homepage_opinion&intcmp=obnetwork

Why most Americans oppose more gun control

By Dr. John R. Lott Jr.
Published December 30, 2014FoxNews.com


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A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, for the first time in their surveys, the majority of Americans oppose more gun control. Gallup and CNN polls tell a similar story. Opposition to gun control has been increasing over at least the last couple of decades.
Gun control groups have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to try to convince Americans that gun control is the answer. In 2013, gun owners’ groups — including the NRA — spent less than one seventh as much on television advertisements. This year looks to be even more lopsided, thanks to the unrelenting efforts of individuals such as Michael Bloomberg, George Soros and Gabriel Giffords.
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Perceptions have changed dramatically, with most people now believing the “More Guns, Less Crime” hypothesis. Gallup recently asked Americans if they thought residents are safer with a gun in the home. People answered “Yes” by a margin of 63 to 30 percent. In 2000, Americans gave just the opposite answer by a margin of 51 to 35 percent. In 2013,[3] Sixty percent of gun owners listed “Personal Safety/Protection” as the reason for owning a gun.
Academic research aligns with current public opinion. If you have a gun in the home, that gun is far more likely to prevent murder than it is to be used in an accidental shooting or to kill a loved one.
Accidental gun deaths get a lot of press coverage, but the press is quite misleading when it talks about juvenile gun deaths . In fact, [ame="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0895261146/ref=nosim/?tag=johnrlotttrip-20"]many[/ame] news reports [ame="http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/02/07/abc-news-reports-on-guns-mislead-americans/"]lump[/ame] in young deaths involving gang fights. These deaths are also tragic, but they have nothing to do with whether law-abiding citizens should own guns.
The Centers for Disease Control reports that, in 2012, there were 58 accidental gun deaths involving children under the age of 15. More than 20 times as many children died due to accidental suffocation. In most cases, an adult accidentally shoots a child, not children shooting themselves or other children. And many of those adults have criminal records and drug or alcohol problems.
Between 2000 and 2014, the number of concealed handgun permits soared from about 2.7 million to well over 12 million. Similarly, the annual number of federal background checks increased from 8.5 to 21 million. According to Gallup, 42 percent of Americans now have a gun in the home.
The Pew Research Center survey found that 57 percent of Americans believe gun ownership “protects people from becoming victims of crime.” Thirty-eight percent believe that it “puts people’s safety at risk.” Support for gun ownership has grown particularly sharply among blacks and women, with their support since 2012 rising by 25 and 11 percentage points respectively.
My research shows that since blacks are the most likely victims of violent crime, they are also the ones who benefit most from being able to defend themselves. Women and the elderly are especially unlikely to be able to fend off a male attacker without the benefit of a firearm.
Gary Kleck, Larry Southwick and other academics have shown that having a gun is by far the safest option when confronted by a criminal.
Police are extremely important in reducing crime. Indeed, I have found that they are by far the single most important factor. But police know that they almost always arrive on the crime scene after a crime has occurred, and because of that police are among the strongest supporters for private gun ownership.
PoliceOne, which has a membership of about 450,000 active and retired police officers, found last year that 76 percent of its members believe legally armed citizens are either extremely or very important to stopping crime. Over 91 percent of members "support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable." This is a less stringent standard than exists in most right-to-carry states.
In the wake of tragedies such as Newtown, gun control advocates keep pushing for more restrictions. But the proposed regulations have nothing to do with the tragedies. Even Mark Glaze, who was executive director of Bloomberg’s Everytown For Gun Safety until earlier this year, conceded to the Wall Street Journal, “Is it a messaging problem when a mass shooting happens and nothing that we have to offer would have stopped that mass shooting? Sure it’s a challenge….”
Even worse for gun control advocates, people are realizing that regulations — such as gun-free zones — tend to encourage attacks by disarming law-abiding citizens instead of criminals.
Hopefully, cities such as Washington, Los Angeles and New York will change their rules as more poor blacks and women recognize the benefits of gun ownership. At present, only rich, well-connected people can get concealed carry permits in those places. The poor have every bit as much right to defend themselves.
Increased gun ownership may solve another problem. There are two ways to protect poor law-abiding blacks in high-crime urban areas: Either rely more on the police or make it easier for people to defend themselves. Given the polls show that blacks have a greater trust in guns than the police making them safer, why not make it easier for law-abiding poor blacks to arm themselves?
John R. Lott, Jr. is a columnist for FoxNews.com. He is an economist and was formerly chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. Lott is also a leading expert on guns and op-eds on that issue are done in conjunction with the Crime Prevention Research Center. He is the author of eight books including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Dumbing-Down-Courts-Politics-Smartest/dp/1626522499/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380208489&sr=1-3&keywords=john+lott&tag=f0c0b-20"]"Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench"[/ame] Bascom Hill Publishing Group (September 17, 2013). Follow him on [ame="http://www.twitter.com/johnrlottjr"]Twitter@johnrlottjr[/ame]

 

[Lau2046]

Right.

I think non-gun people also confuse terminology. They don't always understand the difference between a gun's built-in safety, a separate trigger lock, or gun safety (procedures), their uses, or the laws that pertain to each.

Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[whatdidyousay!]

That describes most of the anti gun politicians very nicely. If you read the news out of California, many so called anti gun actors own guns. They have no clue to have to use it or how to maintain it. Can anyone recall Robert Blake "forgetting" his gun in the restaurant where he dined shortly before he killed his second wife? (Or maybe like O.J. Simpson - people are still looking for the "real killer.") Or how any slew of entertainers go to the airport and just "forget" that they had a gun in the luggage? Now how did that get there all by itself...

Let's remove guns from the story. How many children have died from swallowing Bleach? Who was supposed to be watching them? Why was Bleach in a place that the child was able to get to and open? You don't see a movement to ban cleaners? There's many children that have drowned in toilets. Again, who was supposed to be watching them? Should be ban toilets?

There's this liberal theory that a safe gun is one with a ten pound trigger pull that you can't use. A safe pistol is one that you can load the mags or rack the slide. If these guns are so safe, why aren't cops using them? Why don't we sell Massachusetts approved guns to the Secret Service or the CIA. I'm mean they're really "safe." It's because if you have to struggle to pull the trigger, you'll likely miss your target and kill someone you didn't intend to harm....but law makers are OK selling guns that are hard to use in my state. The woman in this sad story was probably a brilliant woman that lacked common sense. If you have children, the gun should always be under your control: on your person - not in a purse. She made an unfortunate and foolish mistake, but it was an error in judgement that she alone made.

With regard to experts - there are many gun shop owners that have a limited understanding of gun laws. I'm sure this surprises many people but it's true. They know the laws in terms of operating a gun shop but it doesn't mean they're expects in gun ownership. However, Massad Ayoob is:

http://massadayoobgroup.com/who/

Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement editor of AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of more than a dozen books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme,” widely considered to be the authoritative text on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob is one of approximately ten Five Gun Masters among the 10,000-member International Defensive Pistol Association, and was the first to earn that title. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and has been a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for over three decades. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appears in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).


and so is this gentleman:


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014.../?intcmp=ob_homepage_opinion&intcmp=obnetwork

Why most Americans oppose more gun control

By Dr. John R. Lott Jr.
Published December 30, 2014FoxNews.com


Facebook2859 Twitter248 livefyre359 Email Print

• 
  Jan. 9, 2013: Daniel White of Estes Park, Colo., waves a placard at a pro-gun rally as the Colorado Legislature opened its general session across the street in the State Capitol in Denver. (AP)
  
  

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A new Pew Research Center survey finds that, for the first time in their surveys, the majority of Americans oppose more gun control. Gallup and CNN polls tell a similar story. Opposition to gun control has been increasing over at least the last couple of decades.
Gun control groups have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to try to convince Americans that gun control is the answer. In 2013, gun owners’ groups — including the NRA — spent less than one seventh as much on television advertisements. This year looks to be even more lopsided, thanks to the unrelenting efforts of individuals such as Michael Bloomberg, George Soros and Gabriel Giffords.
ADVERTISEMENT


Perceptions have changed dramatically, with most people now believing the “More Guns, Less Crime” hypothesis. Gallup recently asked Americans if they thought residents are safer with a gun in the home. People answered “Yes” by a margin of 63 to 30 percent. In 2000, Americans gave just the opposite answer by a margin of 51 to 35 percent. In 2013,[3] Sixty percent of gun owners listed “Personal Safety/Protection” as the reason for owning a gun.
Academic research aligns with current public opinion. If you have a gun in the home, that gun is far more likely to prevent murder than it is to be used in an accidental shooting or to kill a loved one.
Accidental gun deaths get a lot of press coverage, but the press is quite misleading when it talks about juvenile gun deaths . In fact, many news reports lump in young deaths involving gang fights. These deaths are also tragic, but they have nothing to do with whether law-abiding citizens should own guns.
The Centers for Disease Control reports that, in 2012, there were 58 accidental gun deaths involving children under the age of 15. More than 20 times as many children died due to accidental suffocation. In most cases, an adult accidentally shoots a child, not children shooting themselves or other children. And many of those adults have criminal records and drug or alcohol problems.
Between 2000 and 2014, the number of concealed handgun permits soared from about 2.7 million to well over 12 million. Similarly, the annual number of federal background checks increased from 8.5 to 21 million. According to Gallup, 42 percent of Americans now have a gun in the home.
The Pew Research Center survey found that 57 percent of Americans believe gun ownership “protects people from becoming victims of crime.” Thirty-eight percent believe that it “puts people’s safety at risk.” Support for gun ownership has grown particularly sharply among blacks and women, with their support since 2012 rising by 25 and 11 percentage points respectively.
My research shows that since blacks are the most likely victims of violent crime, they are also the ones who benefit most from being able to defend themselves. Women and the elderly are especially unlikely to be able to fend off a male attacker without the benefit of a firearm.
Gary Kleck, Larry Southwick and other academics have shown that having a gun is by far the safest option when confronted by a criminal.
Police are extremely important in reducing crime. Indeed, I have found that they are by far the single most important factor. But police know that they almost always arrive on the crime scene after a crime has occurred, and because of that police are among the strongest supporters for private gun ownership.
PoliceOne, which has a membership of about 450,000 active and retired police officers, found last year that 76 percent of its members believe legally armed citizens are either extremely or very important to stopping crime. Over 91 percent of members "support the concealed carry of firearms by civilians who have not been convicted of a felony and/or not been deemed psychologically/medically incapable." This is a less stringent standard than exists in most right-to-carry states.
In the wake of tragedies such as Newtown, gun control advocates keep pushing for more restrictions. But the proposed regulations have nothing to do with the tragedies. Even Mark Glaze, who was executive director of Bloomberg’s Everytown For Gun Safety until earlier this year, conceded to the Wall Street Journal, “Is it a messaging problem when a mass shooting happens and nothing that we have to offer would have stopped that mass shooting? Sure it’s a challenge….”
Even worse for gun control advocates, people are realizing that regulations — such as gun-free zones — tend to encourage attacks by disarming law-abiding citizens instead of criminals.
Hopefully, cities such as Washington, Los Angeles and New York will change their rules as more poor blacks and women recognize the benefits of gun ownership. At present, only rich, well-connected people can get concealed carry permits in those places. The poor have every bit as much right to defend themselves.
Increased gun ownership may solve another problem. There are two ways to protect poor law-abiding blacks in high-crime urban areas: Either rely more on the police or make it easier for people to defend themselves. Given the polls show that blacks have a greater trust in guns than the police making them safer, why not make it easier for law-abiding poor blacks to arm themselves?
John R. Lott, Jr. is a columnist for FoxNews.com. He is an economist and was formerly chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission. Lott is also a leading expert on guns and op-eds on that issue are done in conjunction with the Crime Prevention Research Center. He is the author of eight books including "More Guns, Less Crime." His latest book is "Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench" Bascom Hill Publishing Group (September 17, 2013). Follow him on Twitter@johnrlottjr

I was at my daughter's house and her child was about 2 yo and my daughter mother in-law came over too and she left her pocketbook on the couch and it was wide open and there was a bottle of pills poking out of her pocketbook.
She leave it there and I am thinking WTF! The woman is a RN and she leave pills right out for her granddaughter to take, I gave her the pocketbook to her
and told she left it open ! People do not think !

 

[Lau2046]

I was at my daughter's house and her child was about 2 yo and my daughter mother in-law came over too and she left her pocketbook on the couch and it was wide open and there was a bottle of pills poking out of her pocketbook.
She leave it there and I am thinking WTF! The woman is a RN and she leave pills right out for her granddaughter to take, I gave her the pocketbook to her
and told she left it open ! People do not think !

You'd be surprised. Yes, pills in your pocketbook is yet another problem. How many children have been rushed to the ER because they swallowed someone else's medication? You would think an RN would know but people can stun you by their lack of common sense. And...it's not just children that are drowning in toilets, drinking Bleach and ingesting medication - animals do too because owners are careless and don't look at the dangers from the child's/animal's point of view.

 

[CrazyPaul]

That describes most of the anti gun politicians very nicely. If you read the news out of California, many so called anti gun actors own guns. They have no clue to have to use it or how to maintain it. Can anyone recall Robert Blake "forgetting" his gun in the restaurant where he dined shortly before he killed his second wife? (Or maybe like O.J. Simpson - people are still looking for the "real killer.") Or how any slew of entertainers go to the airport and just "forget" that they had a gun in the luggage? Now how did that get there all by itself...

Let's remove guns from the story. How many children have died from swallowing Bleach? Who was supposed to be watching them? Why was Bleach in a place that the child was able to get to and open? You don't see a movement to ban cleaners? There's many children that have drowned in toilets. Again, who was supposed to be watching them? Should be ban toilets?

There's this liberal theory that a safe gun is one with a ten pound trigger pull that you can't use. A safe pistol is one that you can load the mags or rack the slide. If these guns are so safe, why aren't cops using them? Why don't we sell Massachusetts approved guns to the Secret Service or the CIA. I'm mean they're really "safe." It's because if you have to struggle to pull the trigger, you'll likely miss your target and kill someone you didn't intend to harm....but law makers are OK selling guns that are hard to use in my state. The woman in this sad story was probably a brilliant woman that lacked common sense. If you have children, the gun should always be under your control: on your person - not in a purse. She made an unfortunate and foolish mistake, but it was an error in judgement that she alone made.

With regard to experts - there are many gun shop owners that have a limited understanding of gun laws. I'm sure this surprises many people but it's true. They know the laws in terms of operating a gun shop but it doesn't mean they're expects in gun ownership.

OK, is it possible to make guns "childproof"? Just like the childproof medications, childproof cigarette lighter or something like that. We do have childproof drawers and cabinet doors to prevent children getting things like bleach or a knife from inside.

In neighboring Washington state, a 3-year-old boy was seriously injured in November when he accidentally shot himself in the face in a home in Lake Stevens, about 30 miles (50 kilometers) north of Seattle.

In April, a 2-year-old boy apparently shot and killed his 11-year-old sister while they and their siblings played with a gun inside a Philadelphia home. Authorities said the gun was believed to have been brought into the home by the mother's boyfriend.

So this is not the first time. Should there be a way that a child would not be able to fire in case the gun owner like a drug dealer or forgetful parent leaves a gun around at home or wherever the child can reach?

 

[whatdidyousay!]

You'd be surprised. Yes, pills in your pocketbook is yet another problem. How many children have been rushed to the ER because they swallowed someone else's medication? You would think an RN would know but people can stun you by their lack of common sense. And...it's not just children that are drowning in toilets, drinking Bleach and ingesting medication - animals do too because owners are careless and don't look at the dangers from the child's/animal's point of view.

I know I was the way the pocketbook was left wide open and the MIL
looked down on me as being slow . :roll:

 

[Reba]

Oh, well... I am one of non-gun people so I thought you talked about me. My bad, anyway what do you think of the gun store owner's statement? I think she has a good point, doesn't she? She was surprised that the tot was able to fire.

This statement?

"A gun-shop owner in Spokane, Wash., considers the shooting highly improbable, something she's never seen before."

I can't say what's she's never seen before, and I don't know in what way she considers the shooting highly improbable, so I don't think anything about her statement. By saying that the shooting is highly improbable, is she doubting that it happened the way it was described? I don't know.