I hope you liberals are satisfied you elected bill clinton 12 years ago.

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Cause now north korea admits they have nuclear weapons. Remember north korea denined of ever having nukes during the clinton adminstration? And secritary albright negotated with north korea if they dont create a nuclear weapons program we would give you food,medicine and goods from america. I hope youre happy they you fell for all that bull clinton promised you during his election campaign in 1991.Cause now we might pay for it.

North Korea Admits to Nukes.
 
deaflibrarian said:
This is not Clinton's fault so quit pointing your finger at the Democrats. :thumb:
The Republicans have done just as bad if not worse (anyone remember Irangate?). Also it was the Republicans who sold all those weapons to Iraq and Afghanistan because of Russia during the Cold War.
WRONG cause that was jimmy carters fault when the russians invaded Afghanistan he gave the weapons to mr bin laden and then he turned against us on 9-11 and then he used them weapons on usa when we invaded afghanistan
It does not take 12 years to build nuclear weapons, especially if you have spies in the USA posing as college students from China, Russia, and North Korea.
Bull! North Korea kept the nuclear program under heavy classified security. They fooled bill clinton and the rest of the world. Thats why elections are rigged to keep the democrats out of power because they cant be trusted to handle our nation anymore.
The way I look at it is North Korea did a darned good job of lying over the past 12 years not just to the Clinton administration, but also to the Bush Senior and Bush Junior administrations.
Yup,,,Now youre getting it
Now settle down ravensteve1961 and try enjoy the next 3 years, that vein in your forehead is about to bust. :P

Really
 
Korea lied to Clinton. Therefore, it's not his fault... it's Korea's fault. Quit blaming everyone for everything.

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***sigh***

Other senseless thread here....

***shake the head and walk off***
 
Blame on Einshower, we should have won Korea war back in 50's.
 
It's very common that the Bush Administration and republicans like yourself Ravensteve, when nothing else seem to work , they have ways to blame it on Clinton.

Ravensteve, You need to keep your eyes open and learn to respect their opinion, and learn your history. "It is not my way or the highway". We had a war in Iraq which there no nukes and look who does through? North Korea soon possible Iran, It doesn't make United States look any better.
 
Why worry about what Bill Clinton did in the past when hes not a president anymore?... ::: confused here :::
 
Yeah, I´m agree with you, :angel: Why should we waste our time to make our posts here to answer those senseless thread?

I cant see why Ravensteve keep on complaint over Clinton since he is not longer President. :crazy:
 
Cheri said:
Ravensteve, You need to keep your eyes open and learn to respect their opinion, and learn your history. "It is not my way or the highway". We had a war in Iraq which there no nukes and look who does through? North Korea soon possible Iran, It doesn't make United States look any better.
Then why bill clinton didnt try to remove saddam? Or remove the taliban? You know why? Because he was too chicken to do it.
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ravensteve1961 said:
Then why bill clinton didnt try to remove saddam? Or remove the taliban? You know why? Because he was too chicken to do it.
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The war in Iraq? Clinton's fault! That's right. See, Clinton didn't take Saddam out in 1998. He just bombed a few aspirin factories, in fairness, George Bush’s father was in more of a position to remove Saddam from power, following the Gulf war in 1991. Blame Poppy Bush doesn't have quite the same ring as Blame Clinton. Next game, Osama bin Laden, Yes! Bill was offered to bin laden but he refused, because you think he has some lame excuse why he didn't take him in custody, Either did Bush, Oh that man says justice should be served where the heck is that quote he said on Sept. 11th? It is so easy for you to blame Clinton for everything! when Bush himself has no luck finding Osama bin Laden either. You voter still let Bush back in the office another 4 yrs when his economy is still in the toilet. So why don't you stop your blaming and look at the whole picture, Every President have their flaws. Bush is no prince charming of United States.
 
You gotta take chances lor youll never know how it might had turned out. What if JFK let the soviets do whatever they wanted? Then all of eurpoe would be under the soviet union. Not to mention theyre be nuclear missles in cuba now Aimed right at the USA. Who knows what might have happend. If Clinton would had give saddam one warning like bush did or captured bin laden like he supposed to do we wouldnt been in this mess today. But now bin laden is hiding thats why bush cant get to him. But Bin laden wasnt hiding when clinton was president in fact he was right at us and we failed to take him out when we had the oppitunity to do it.
 
North Korea Says It Has Nuclear Weapons and Rejects Talks

Since ravensteve complained left and right about my topic so I posted reliable source unlikely Fraud news. Here it is:



TOKYO, Feb. 10 - In a surprising admission, North Korea's hard-line Communist government declared publicly today for the first time that it has nuclear weapons.

It also said that it will boycott United States-sponsored regional talks designed to end its nuclear program, according to a North Korean Foreign Ministry statement transmitted today by the reclusive nation's wire service.

Pyongyang said it has "manufactured nukes for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's undisguised policy to isolate and stifle" North Korea, and that it will "bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal."

The statement, considered a definitive policy pronouncement, said that North Korea, led by the reclusive dictator Kim Jong Il, is pulling out of the talks after concluding that the second Bush administration would pursue the "brazen-faced, double-dealing tactics" of dialogue and "regime change."

Four hours before the official Korean Central News Agency transmitted the pullout statement, a top Bush administration official told reporters here that North Korea's return to the nuclear talks was expected by all other participants -the United States, Japan, South Korea, Russia and China.

"The onus is really on North Korea," said John R. Bolton, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, noting that the last time the parties met was in June.

Referring to North Korea's bomb making capability, he added: "The absence of progress in six-party talks means they are making further progress toward their increased capability."

It is unclear if North Korea is definitively slamming the door to talks or merely trying to raise its price for returning to the bargaining table.

"We are compelled to suspend our participation in the talks for an indefinite period," the statement said, adding that North Korea would only return when "there are ample conditions and atmosphere to expect positive results from the talks."

From Europe, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice told RTL television of Luxembourg: "The North Koreans should reassess this and try to end their own isolation." A similar appeal came from Japan, America's closest ally in the region.

In London, Secretary General Kofi Annan of the United Nations said he expected the North Koreans could be brought back to the nuclear talks. "I hope it's not an indefinite position," he said.

In Beijing, the Foreign Ministry's chief spokesman, Kong Quan, said China hoped the talks with North Korea would continue, according to a statement issued by the New China News Agency,

Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi of Japan told reporters about North Korea's decision to boycott the talks: "It's better to resume them early. It would be in North Korea's interest to make use of the six-party forum."

Overall, the statement was a bucket of cold water for analysts who predicted a resumption of talks this spring. Two groups of American congressmen returned last month from visits to Pyongyang with reports that North Korean officials were hinting at an imminent return to the negotiating table.

President Bush, in his State of the Union message last week, avoided the confrontational rhetoric of past speeches in which he branded North Korea as member of "the axis of evil," alongside Iraq and Iran. This time, in his only reference to Pyongyang, he merely said that he was "working with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

But in today's statement, Pyongyang zeroed in on Dr. Rice's testimony last month in her Senate confirmation hearings, where she lumped North Korea with five other dictatorships, calling them "outposts of tyranny."

"The true intention of the second-term Bush administration is not only to further its policy to isolate and stifle the D.P.R.K. pursued by the first-term office, but to escalate it," the statement said, referring to North Korea by its formal name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Over all, the statement was a bucket of cold water for analysts who predicted a resumption of talks this spring. Two groups of American congressmen returned last month from visits to Pyongyang with reports that North Korean officials were hinting at an imminent return to the negotiating table.

President Bush, in his State of the Union address last week, avoided the confrontational rhetoric of past speeches in which he branded North Korea as member of "the axis of evil," alongside Iraq and Iran. This time, in his only reference to Pyongyang, he merely said that he was "working with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

But in today's statement, Pyongyang zeroed in on Dr. Rice's testimony last month in her Senate confirmation hearings, where she lumped North Korea with five other dictatorships, calling them "outposts of tyranny."

"The true intention of the second-term Bush administration is not only to further its policy to isolate and stifle the D.P.R.K. pursued by the first-term office, but to escalate it," the statement said, referring to North Korea by its formal name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Outside critics and defectors say that North Korea is neither democratic nor popular, since it has been ruled for the last 60 years by the Kim family, an avaricious clan that does not permit multiparty elections or the slightest whisper of dissent. Today Pyongyang told the Bush administration to talk to the kinds of North Koreans it likes.

"We advise the U.S. to negotiate with dealers in peasant markets it claims that are to its liking or with representatives of the organization of North Korean defectors on its payroll, if it wishes to have talks," the statement said.

In the same statement, North Korea also attacked Japan for "toeing the U.S. line." Tokyo has been struggling with mounting popular pressure for economic sanctions. On Tuesday, Prime Minister Koizumi personally received a petition calling for sanctions, signed by five million people.

Japanese anger with North Korea rose sharply last month after Pyongyang delivered to visiting Japanese diplomats two boxes of half-cremated remains, said to be of a Japanese woman kidnapped from Japan by North Korean agents in the 1970's. DNA analysis showed that the remains were not of the missing Japanese woman, but of two unidentified people. It is unclear if North Korea, which tightly controls information from the outside world, was aware of DNA technology. Its statement today charged that Japan had "fabricated the issue of false remains over the abduction issue."

Conservative Japanese increasingly say Mr. Koizumi should call the bluff of what they say is a bankrupt state that routinely hides behind scary bluster.

"At first, we should make economic sanctions," Shintaro Ishihara, Tokyo's conservative governor said in an interview this afternoon, just before North Korea's nuclear weapons vow was made public.

"At the second stage, let them bomb Japan with that nasty missile," Mr. Ishihara taunted with sarcasm in his voice as he spoke in his office, in Tokyo's tallest building. "Their missile cannot load a nuclear warhead." Asked what Japan would do in response to a missile attack, Mr. Ishihara merely smiled.

The United States has said that North Korea has up to eight nuclear bombs. But, it has never exploded a nuclear device.

One year ago, Siegfried Hecker, a former director of the nuclear weapons laboratory in Los Alamos, N.M., toured Yongbyon, North Korea's main known nuclear facility. Although North Korea apparently organized the visit to persuade Americans of their nuclear weapons prowess, Dr. Hecker returned home saying that he was not convinced North Korea could build a working nuclear bomb and mount it on a missile.

Half a century after the Korean War, North Korea has not signed a formal peace treaty with South Korea and its main ally, the United States. In September 1991, in an effort to denuclearize the divided peninsula, President George H. W. Bush announced the withdrawal of all American tactical weapons from South Korea, totaling about 100. In December 1991, both Koreas signed a formal agreement pledging not to produce, test or store nuclear weapons.

Over the next decade, South Korea conducted what now appear to be several minor, disconnected experiments in technology related to nuclear weapons. North Korea agreed to seal a plutonium-based nuclear program. But in 2002, an American official confronted Pyongyang with evidence that it had been cheating on its nuclear promises, maintaining a covert uranium enrichment program.

In response, North Korea expelled international inspectors from Yongbyon, announced that it was quitting the Non-Proliferation Treaty, and said it was building up what it ambiguously called its "nuclear deterrent." The six-nation disarmament talks started in Beijing in August 2003, but have not yielded any tangible results.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/10/i...fd9fd&partner=NYTHEADLINES_INTL&ex=1108702800 (registration required)


This topic is follow-up from other topic: Bush Bites His Tongue

That's good news. Yes, it is 'good' news to me... It will make Bush squirm around in his office.
 
As what Cheri had said, every presidents has their own flaws, same goes for Bush, even tho you may not see it but in time you will....Instead of complaining about who did what or who did this, our government is still going to be the same only if someone out there is willing to change our government the way we want it to be....And I don't really care about what happened in the past either, the past is the past you can't change it!
 
ravensteve1961 said:
You gotta take chances lor youll never know how it might had turned out. What if JFK let the soviets do whatever they wanted? Then all of eurpoe would be under the soviet union. Not to mention theyre be nuclear missles in cuba now Aimed right at the USA. Who knows what might have happend. If Clinton would had give saddam one warning like bush did or captured bin laden like he supposed to do we wouldnt been in this mess today. But now bin laden is hiding thats why bush cant get to him. But Bin laden wasnt hiding when clinton was president in fact he was right at us and we failed to take him out when we had the oppitunity to do it.


You never pay attention to a word I say, You never pay attention to anyone, You always have a way of making excuses for your post, It has to be your way or the highway like I stated above, Bush failed us also, You wouldn't admit that because you're a republican a subborn one too, And that's a fact.
 
stop living in the past and get a friggin' life!

please continue. :o
 
^Angel^ said:
As what Cheri had said, every presidents has their own flaws, same goes for Bush, even tho you may not see it but in time you will....Instead of complaining about who did what or who did this, our government is still going to be the same only if someone out there is willing to change our government the way we want it to be....And I don't really care about what happened in the past either, the past is the past you can't change it!

See, this is how I feel, too. I'm a republican, but I also am not gonna start pointing at fingers at anyone. The truth of the matter is this... It doesn't matter who is in office, somebody always screws up something. Deals are made with hostile countries and such. It's been going on for decades. Frankly, I don't think you can blame either Clinton or Bush for this one, because like someone already said, N. Korean lied.

The question now becomes how are we gonna protect our butts? Because, this is the situation we find outselves in.

Enough said. :gpost: Angel
 
Oceanbreeze said:
See, this is how I feel, too. I'm a republican, but I also am not gonna start pointing at fingers at anyone. The truth of the matter is this... It doesn't matter who is in office, somebody always screws up something. Deals are made with hostile countries and such. It's been going on for decades. Frankly, I don't think you can blame either Clinton or Bush for this one, because like someone already said, N. Korean lied.

The question now becomes how are we gonna protect our butts? Because, this is the situation we find outselves in.

Enough said. :gpost: Angel
Because liberalsim is the wrong way to go. And i have a feeling it will be a very long time before we see another bill clinton or a jimmy carter in the oval office ever again.Even the polls show theyre ahead and if the election comes up a winner the supreme court will step in and declare the election illegal and will overturn the winner.
 
They checked everything out.They could not find out who were these men were.We did not have the dept of homeland security or the patroit act back then. Now its much ,much harder for al queda to attack us. Because many suspects are arrested before they can carry out an attack thanks to the patroit act. Like bin laden made threats during new years eve ,Nothing happend! Made Threats on the 4th of july,Nothing Happend made threats during the christmas shopping season ,Nothing happend and he made threats to attack the superbowl and nothing happend cause FBI arrested al queda sleepers in buffalo,dearborn michigan and in seattle. So FBI is tracking cell phone conversations e-mails and theyre even intercepting codes from the middle east. This war aint over.Its ether gonna be syria or iran next is gonna get invaded.
 
I say we just go back to the signing of the declaration and start over. Then we can make the same mistakes all over again and we'd still be in the same place we are now. All these topics ever do is get people arguing over who's right and they don't solve the problems of our past or present.
 
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