I have SO many questions...

flip said:
Loml spamming Cued Speech on AD to insecure parents, asking for advice, not advertisement from sales departments, does not mean it's common or effective.

Read some paper today about the impact of fine grain phonetic awarness on reading techniques. It seems that all kind of deaf children lack fine grain phonetic awarness. One can imagine how rough the phonetic awarness will be with Cued Speech, for those who are brave enough to use it for everyday communication.
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good luck finding any ADer (deafie, not hearing) who still uses cued speech. and why would you want to do phonetic awareness for deaf? deaf means we cannot hear. what's the point? instead of us deafies learning how to speak to you, how about you guys learn sign for us? :)
 
Jiro said:
good luck finding any ADer (deafie, not hearing) who still uses cued speech. and why would you want to do phonetic awareness for deaf? deaf means we cannot hear. what's the point? instead of us deafies learning how to speak to you, how about you guys learn sign for us? :)
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Because there is a lot of research that shows that phonetic awareness can be conected to reading ability. Even my daughter's bi-bi school believes there is important and that is why they have an Oracy specialist who teaches phonetic awareness.
 
faire_jour said:
Because there is a lot of research that shows that phonetic awareness can be conected to reading ability. Even my daughter's bi-bi school believes there is important and that is why they have an Oracy specialist who teaches phonetic awareness.
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That's why CS was designed as a teaching tool.
 
faire_jour said:
Because there is a lot of research that shows that phonetic awareness can be conected to reading ability. Even my daughter's bi-bi school believes there is important and that is why they have an Oracy specialist who teaches phonetic awareness.
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then how did my deaf friends who cannot speak at all but their reading levels are at college level.. and even know 2 languages. **hint - it wasn't certainly a CS program
 
Jiro said:
then how did my deaf friends who cannot speak at all but their reading levels are at college level.. and even know 2 languages. **hint - it wasn't certainly a CS program
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Speech and phonetic awareness are not the same thing. Not even close.
 
faire_jour said:
Speech and phonetic awareness are not the same thing. Not even close.
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You said ".....phonetic awareness can be connected to reading ability." I'm just disputing that it's not a reliable connection.
 
Jiro said:
You said ".....phonetic awareness can be connected to reading ability." I'm just disputing that it's not a reliable connection.
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It is the way that millions of hearing kids have learned to read. There is a connection for them. It can't be denied.
 
faire_jour said:
It is the way that millions of hearing kids have learned to read. There is a connection for them. It can't be denied.
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because hearing kids listen to their parents and people talking thus learning words. For deaf - they learn visually thus learning words in same way.
 
Cueing DOES have potential...so much that even the Clerc Center has noted its success.

The downfall is that there is a lack of resources, training, and RESEARCH. Plus there are a lot of misconceptions about it, as this thread has shown.

If I had a deaf child, I would insist that cueing be one of the reading interventions being used. But my child also will have full exposure and access to at least one language...and thus will be exposed to American Sign Language, written English, and if appropriate, spoken English supported by signing.
 
And Shel ...good posting with the RESEARCH (see a few posts back). You rock!

Deaf kids cannot process auditory information...this is so important when considering methods to teach reading to a deaf child.
 
deafbajagal said:
And Shel ...good posting with the RESEARCH (see a few posts back). You rock!

Deaf kids cannot process auditory information...this is so important when considering methods to teach reading to a deaf child.
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Not always true. Don't make blanket statements!
 
I'll make any statement I damn well please.

Feel free to disagree with my views, which are usually based on my research and experience as a language and reading specialist of deaf and hard of hearing students.
 
deafbajagal said:
I'll make any statement I damn well please.

Feel free to disagree with my views, which are usually based on my research and experience as a language and reading specialist of deaf and hard of hearing students.
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REALLY? So kids with CI's that hear and understand spoken language aren't processing the auditory information? I think that Hear Again and MANY other people here would disagree with that. Just because many can't use spoken language as their primary communication does NOT equate to "no deaf child can process auditory information". I would LOVE to see the back up and research rationale behind that statement.
 
Let's stay on topic...there are other threads about CIs and auditory processing...this thread is about reading methods and how to teach a deaf child to read.

I've done my research and am quite confident with my findings.

Back to the topic.
 
deafbajagal said:
Let's stay on topic...there are other threads about CIs and auditory processing...this thread is about reading methods and how to teach a deaf child to read.

I've done my research and am quite confident with my findings.

Back to the topic.
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I'm not going to let drop a blantant falsehood. How are all these oral only kids even surviving? They process and understand spoken language. I see it every single day in MY OWN KID!
 
Ok guys all this CS/CI stuff is confusing me even more!!! I'm trying to still wrap my head around how to teach Adam to read since he doesn't hear... I didn't mean to start a debate :( :(
 
Jiro said:
because hearing kids listen to their parents and people talking thus learning words. For deaf - they learn visually thus learning words in same way.
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Even in oral deaf programs, most deaf kids are learning visually.
 
faire_jour said:
I'm not going to let drop a blantant falsehood. How are all these oral only kids even surviving? They process and understand spoken language. I see it every single day in MY OWN KID!
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Why dont u start another thread if u want this debate to keep on going?
 
deafbajagal said:
And Shel ...good posting with the RESEARCH (see a few posts back). You rock!

Deaf kids cannot process auditory information...this is so important when considering methods to teach reading to a deaf child.
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:ty:
 
Adam's Mommy...I wish there was a clear cut answer to your question of how to teach a deaf child to read...

But as you can see, there's a wide gap when it comes to people's opinions...even the "experts."

Only you can know what's best for your child. Follow your gut. :)

Have you heard about the reading strageties the Swedens have used with their deaf children? HIGHLY successful!
 
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