I found it ironic

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Lots of deaf/hoh or later at a young age as a deaf or hoh people, are forced to learn how to speak, listen, and not allowed to learn ASL while Hearing people at any age, who want to learn ASL and ask someone who can teach ASL to themselve.

I found it ironic. :fruit:
 
Very true that!! I think that is some audism there! And also linguicism...ASL or otehr sign languages are de-valued and considered only as something "fun/cute" or sometimes helpful in "last resort" kind of way for hearing.
 
dogmom said:
Very true that!! I think that is some audism there! And also linguicism...ASL or otehr sign languages are de-valued and considered only as something "fun/cute" or sometimes helpful in "last resort" kind of way for hearing.
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Yes True about the last resort that does bothers me. My niece took ASL for her high school class, and she took it because she wanted to chat with me in a conveninet time. I dont see her that much when she lives in long island while I live upstate. She still thinks that ASL is still necessary for many things in life. How cute of her! I agree that ASL is the useful benefit, for both of hearing and deaf for many things!
 
ASL benefits everyone but many people don't see that.

I'm glad your niece had the opportunity to take ASL at her high school. My high school didn't offer it but if it had I would have taken it.
 
My son had option of taking ASL in high school but chose Spanish instead because he says ASL is not widely known and has "no one" to practice with.
 
There are people that grew up who needed ASL to get by. Then there are people that wants to learn ASL because they're going into a profession that needs it. Then there are people that wants to learn ASL just because they want to. Those all make difference.
 
Frisky Feline said:
Lots of deaf/hoh or later at a young age as a deaf or hoh people, are forced to learn how to speak, listen, and not allowed to learn ASL while Hearing people at any age, who want to learn ASL and ask someone who can teach ASL to themselve.

I found it ironic. :fruit:
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At the high school level, can you give an example of what, "not allowed" means? Are they physically not giving students internet access? How is it actually being accomplished?

If deaf students are being mainstreamed, they would have access to the same classes I would think.

EDIT: Perhaps you mean you can learn ASL, but they won't teach in ASL?
 
VacationGuy234 said:
At the high school level, can you give an example of what, "not allowed" means? Are they physically not giving students internet access? How is it actually being accomplished?

If deaf students are being mainstreamed, they would have access to the same classes I would think.

EDIT: Perhaps you mean you can learn ASL, but they won't teach in ASL?
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I am referring to that statement about doctor who told parents OR parents opinions not to allow kids to learn ASL if they have some hearing loss issues, or dont allow them to participate the Deaf community. They think Deaf community and Deaf culture are some low functioning people.
 
VacationGuy234 said:
At the high school level, can you give an example of what, "not allowed" means? Are they physically not giving students internet access? How is it actually being accomplished?

If deaf students are being mainstreamed, they would have access to the same classes I would think.

EDIT: Perhaps you mean you can learn ASL, but they won't teach in ASL?
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Doctors and Parents told Kids not to learn ASL, by raising them to focus on speaking and listening to the sounds only.
 
MangaReader said:
My son had option of taking ASL in high school but chose Spanish instead because he says ASL is not widely known and has "no one" to practice with.
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I don't know where you live but what he said is not so far fetched where I live. I took beginning sign two different years as a community college evening course. Neither time did I make any contacts to practice with.
 
I still have trouble with why when ASL was in the development stage in the US the French word order etc. was allowed to be carried over when they knew they were working with an English speaking population. Wouldn't they have made more headway in getting more people to use it in the beginning if it was more similar to what the general population was used to?
 
"I see so much of this here.= what was. What about now? "
-question from Jane-

ok, here:

"These approaches are based on the principle that most children who are deaf or hard of hearing can be taught to listen and speak with early amplification and early intervention with specialists in Listening and Spoken Language. Primary emphasis is placed upon audition (hearing) to acquire speech. Children’s brains are naturally wired at birth to learn language through listening."
-from Maine Deaf Communication Options for Children, Adults: hear ME now


"We help Maine children & adults with hearing loss learn to listen, speak & reach their fullest potential" from the above site


"Alexander Graham Bell Association for the Deaf, advocating independence through listening and talking"

"Most children who are hearing impaired have the ability to develop speech and language to communicate in a "natural" manner. The auditory-verbal approach for developing speech and language is endorsed by NCI as the first option for teaching children who are hearing impaired to communicate through speech and language."
-from"Natural Communication" in Ohio

not only is this perception stated outright, it's implied in multiple situations.
 
dogmon, yea we know that is a school of thought and that is not going away. The difference today is that more people see a hybrid solution of ASL and Oral teachings.
 
hmmm, I know some see what you refer to.

about that hybrid solution - why is it considered ok to "hybridize" ASL when other languages are not?

:)
 
VacationGuy234 said:
dogmon, yea we know that is a school of thought and that is not going away. The difference today is that more people see a hybrid solution of ASL and Oral teachings.
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I see what you are saying, and lots of Deaf schools are closed. Where are those kids going? Some Deaf schools do have some program for oral program because they are trying to keep school open. I think its understandable so those deaf/hoh kids can socialize to each other there. others are not, and attending to hearing school alone.
 
If you look at Gallaudet University, the entire school is hybrid now with more implanted students (regardless of the curriculum given that it is a university). As for mainstream schools, the place for it is special education. If a student cannot learn orally, ASL should be used to instruct the student.

While it would be nice for everyone to lean ASL that is not a reality(at this point in time). In fact, I would argue if all schools were forced to include it in special education they would most likely have ASL as a second language in all schools.

If you argue for deaf only schools you will never spread the use of ASL to mainstream students, not gonna happen.

The goal is now and has always been to teach children to learn. It's more important they get a good job, in my view.
 
Learning ASL as a child would had been of no use to me , my dad would never had allowed me to use it in the house and especially not out in public. I did not see one person using ASL growing up and not even in high school . I know there where other hoh or deaf people around . If you think of it when you got a HA you got one HA , but if a kid needed eyes glasses they got glasses to help both eyes. People where very clueless about understanding how to help kids that where deaf or hoh and some people are still clueless.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
Learning ASL as a child would had been of no use to me , my dad would never had allowed me to use it in the house and especially not out in public. I did not see one person using ASL growing up and not even in high school . I know there where other hoh or deaf people around . If you think of it when you got a HA you got one HA , but if a kid needed eyes glasses they got glasses to help both eyes. People where very clueless about understanding how to help kids that where deaf or hoh and some people are still clueless.
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The goal of teaching ASL to children is so they learn better in school. It is not to teach them how to talk to the hearing world. It's two different things.
 
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