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I created another thread about student was being suspended over draw the gun yesterday.

Nudes draw suspension for teacher in M'town

Middletown - Art teacher Peter Panse told his students at Middletown High School that nude figure drawings will help get them into art colleges. He told them about courses in New York City and encouraged them to take a nude figure-drawing course he was proposing to teach outside of school.

In response, four students took nude figure drawing at the New York Academy of Art during the summer, helping build portfolios that have already earned at least one of them a scholarship offer.

But it also got Panse suspended last month.

The kids are too young for such classes, and Panse didn't involve their parents, school board President Vincent Crescenzo said yesterday. In light of a previous scandal, when former Superintendent Robert Sigler was imprisoned in 2003 for having an ongoing sexual relationship with a teen male student, the board needed to "be proactive," he said.

"We didn't want it said that the Board of Education again turned a blind eye to the abuse of our children," Crescenzo said. "We need to protect our children. We are talking about 14-, 15-, 16-year-old children and what they were going to be exposed to."

Panse's lawyer sees it another way: "It's a Neanderthal administration," said Jonathan Lovett. "They've got to be sufficiently brain-dead to be doing what they did.

"On a scale of one to 10 in stupidity, this is 11."

A group of Panse's students and their parents told the school board Thursday night what a loss his suspension is to their art education and possibly their futures.

"Until recently, I thought that it wasn't even conceivable to get into an art school, let alone with a scholarship," said Reanna Fisher, a junior who received art-scholarship offers from two colleges. "He's the first and only teacher to help and guide me on where I need to go to have a chance at these schools."

"What kind of message are you sending to the rest of the teachers in the district?" asked Reanna's father, Jerry Fisher. "He's trying to help students, help me because the scholarships we are talking about are substantial."

One parent said yesterday that he was downright opposed to his daughter being exposed to nude male models at such a young age. But he didn't think Panse should be punished.

"I don't think my 16-year-old daughter should be in that situation," he said. "But the fact that it was suggested in class - I have no problem with that. I am a dad and I can say no."

Panse was suspended on Dec. 16 and brought up on two school disciplinary charges for recruiting, soliciting or encouraging students to take the nude figure-drawing course he planned to give and for doing that after he'd been warned to "avoid making any comments" that students could construe as sexual.

It's a question of what is appropriate for teens in school, Crescenzo said.

It's absurd, said Lovett, and also a question of free speech.

In the end, it will be up to a hearing officer to decide.

Nudes draw suspension for teacher in M'town

*sigh* nude is not porn.

I hope Art teacher win at court.
 
Nude classes are not the same as porn, I agree with that.

And most of those kids did say that building their portifio? would help them get scholarships and whatnot for college. So the school should not be punishing a teacher for trying to help his students succeed. I can understand the students being too young, but if they can get the scholarships and grants to further their education without going into debt, the better for them.

I think the school board is wrong to suspend a teacher who is trying to help his students achieve their dreams.
 
Puhlease! Nude people are ART and they have been doing this for thousands of years!
 
I agree with Sequoias, If those parents ever stepped in the art gallery, they would see fine art of nude paintings. Why do they want to censored teens to understand the meaning of art? I think body is extremely beautiful, and it makes art beautiful, if those parents don't understand art then they don't know art.
 
Ugh... Porn and nude drawing aren't same, both of them are big differene.

I think that nude drawing is beautiful and it has been for many years before porn was popped in world.

There's nude human on biology (in anatomy part) book too.
 
I agree with Sequoias, If those parents ever stepped in the art gallery, they would see fine art of nude paintings. Why do they want to censored teens to understand the meaning of art? I think body is extremely beautiful, and it makes art beautiful, if those parents don't understand art then they don't know art.

Yes, I agree with you on this.

I find sad that some people think nude is horrible and dirty.
 
Ugh... Porn and nude drawing aren't same, both of them are big differene.

I think that nude drawing is beautiful and it has been for many years before porn was popped in world.

There's nude human on biology (in anatomy part) book too.

Yes I know.... :roll: why the people see different... like what Sequioas said... ....

*shake my head*
 
I'm strongly open mind...

Art Gallery is artist part of nude but not meaning 100% show really dirty...

Pity other people think it's dirty.. *ugh* well therefore hard for everyone wanting shut it down but don't think so... as long it's serious artist person want show everyone understanding nude pose meaning look painting and etc etc..

Let you know, I'm artist person too.. love to view artist pose.. not mean NUDE DIRTY..

Just show art nude means amazing showing..

No difference other pose is worst dirty show as playboy, playgirl and porno isn't relate artist alike!

*Oh brothers*
 
and we were born in our birthday suit.. so come on.. nothing to be ashamed of our bodies.. :)
 
Well, it is very very sad, many do not have any common sense. But someway, each person does not have a good mind control how to view things. Porno meant to be nude. But how to put the word porno, many pervert the idea. Porno magazines making the word porno bad. Like art, I agree. Like old days, gay mean happy, today added new, Dick as a person's name, but pervert the person's name, even Jack or whatever. This is where all the problem coming from. Yes, it is ridiculous. If they meant for the art should be the art, bec I do blame someway that media leading lots of hysterical going on, where good people be charged and jailed bec whatever "other person" did make all other people the same. And its going to get out of hand. SAD SAD SAD. No wonder why sex offenders is way high, bec I learned that most of the sex offenders arent actually sex offenders. Its very frustrating, and the word rape not always mean attacking people or doing against someone's will. Like If 19 yr had sex with 16 yr be called rape, bec underage. I know we discuss this on other thread. Many people are soo hyped about lot of things and leading more more people feel lonely and insecure of lot of things bec out of fear of whatever is going on. But as of age go in school as of posing nude for art should be in high schoolers like seniors, bec that was going to be the next level for them as adult. Like I said, I am not surprise about all of this.
 
I agree with Sequoias, If those parents ever stepped in the art gallery, they would see fine art of nude paintings. Why do they want to censored teens to understand the meaning of art? I think body is extremely beautiful, and it makes art beautiful, if those parents don't understand art then they don't know art.

Exactly. I guess we should refuse to allow our children to view Cezanne and Michaelangelo and Rubins, too.
 
everything had changed today.... its not the same anymore.. thats too bad! jeez!
 
everything had changed today.... its not the same anymore.. thats too bad! jeez!

I agree..we are living in society of excessive fear.

I wonder if it started with the Columbine shootings or with 9/11?
 
I agree..we are living in society of excessive fear.

I wonder if it started with the Columbine shootings or with 9/11?

i think it started with Columbine shootings first then 9/11 made it worse as we all are not secure with everything nowadays..
 
i think it started with Columbine shootings first then 9/11 made it worse as we all are not secure with everything nowadays..


Yup, you are right...

Columbine shootings are started in 1999 since WTC is started in 2001.
 
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