How to solve courtroom injustice?

[webexplorer]

They can also do a payment plan with an attorney. Many attorneys are willing to work with you.

Not always. Most attorneys want to take 3/4 out of your money. They really do not care about their clients nowadays because they want your money first nothing else.

Once, you were arrested for something illegally, your future is gone. Your boss simply fires you, and your bank takes your house away if you are in jail for a few months. It is so hard for you to find a job with your criminal record.

You might have to work under normal salary for rest of your life. No one is willing to help you to make your life easier. It is only way for you to put some false information on your resume to save your life that might go back to your normal life.

The court is still very poor for so many things going on because we have so many people at the court everyday. It is impossible for anyone to evidence that the DNA is proven something, but in one day that might discover that there is one tiny piece of missing that DNA wasn't the truth. We really don't know. There are four different codes on DNA map that are almost finished. It would take 5 to 10 more years for the scientist team to complete the research. (DNA map example: A,T,C, and G - these stand for A - adenine, T - thymine, C- cytosine, and G - guanine.) The judge is not a scientist, and the scientist cannot know it all. The scientist teams can work together to find the exact result.

If you think that a small percent of these people are sent out to prison that they are not guilty. What if your favorite mother is one of them in the prison? Other people who don't know your mother and say, "Oh, that's small percent. It's better for them to stay in prison that make us life easier that way."

Actually, we really cannot trust a cop. It's because on some TV new reporters said that a cop in a town was a peeper to implant a video camera at his neighbor's house, and another cop was a sex offender, and some cops are abusers. Do the judge trust a "secret peeper" cop in the court? That's the problem.

I remember I saw on NBC night news that they finally caught a lazy judge to take her half day off from work early three times a week for three years. She was caught, and she didn't get fired. She still keeps her job as a judge. We don't know if she is going back to her old habit.

 

[Byrdie714]

Oh, yeah.....lawyers regualarly grant credit to people working in minimum wage jobs that can't afford to make payments. Get a grip.

And I've yet to meet one that doesn't require an up front consultation fee prior to even agreeing to represent a client. Where do you suggest someone working a minimum wage job and trying to support themselves and a family come up with a $250.00 consult fee just to find out if the attorney will take your case? The fact of the matter is, you don't got the money, you don't got legal representation unless it is through a public defender. And we all know the effectiveness of public defenders. That is simply an effort to comply with the right to legal counsel....it is a joke.

When you go "shopping" for a doctor, do you take the first doctor that comes your way? If you do, then you are really gullible.

It's the same with lawyers, you have to shop around to find one that will take your case in the first place and is willing to work out a payment plan.

If the lawyer won't then it's not the lawyer for you.

 

[Byrdie714]

It's all about money isn't it? If you don't have the money, You get longer jail time. All People need to take responsibility for their actions include celebrities.

What about Mischa Barton? she’s a pill-popping, joint smoking, drunk who can’t drive. Mischa posted 10K bailed and was escorted home by her proud parents. Lindsay Lohan spend 24 hours in prison just because she promise she will never use drugs again, Yea right!!

We do need to get paid.

 

[Byrdie714]

I doubt that seriously. Where did you recieve your JD? Your answers are reflective of someone extremely young, and without much life experience.

Ohio State Unviersity -School of Law and Capital School of Law, Columbus, OH.

How old do you think I am?!

 

[Byrdie714]

Why am I having such a hard time believing that you're actually a trial lawyer yet I don't see you offer any advice on how to deal with Bear's son case?

Because he hasn't asked specifically.

 

[Byrdie714]

Byrdie hasn't answered my question of where he got his JD, either. That's the degree that makes you eligble to take the bar exam and become liscensed as an attorney. And any trial attorney is client focused, not system focused. They know how corrupt the system is because they defend people in it every day, and they know all the loopholes and how to avoid a jail sentence. Byrdie's posts are more in line with being a district attorney.....the one who prosecutes and puts people in jail for the state.

But, in reality, I don't beleive that Byrdie is a lawyer at all. Just doesn't add up.

Byrdie went skiing yesterday. Now I need permission from you to go and enjoy my life away from the computer? :roll:

I think you are one angry person who isn't happy unless you get what you want.

 

[Byrdie714]

Exactly. Any trial lawyer worth a penny would be fighting this injustice. Trial lawyers make their career out of defending people.

Trial lawyers also know when to stop.

 

[jillio]

When you go "shopping" for a doctor, do you take the first doctor that comes your way? If you do, then you are really gullible.

It's the same with lawyers, you have to shop around to find one that will take your case in the first place and is willing to work out a payment plan.

If the lawyer won't then it's not the lawyer for you.

Oh, yeah....if I'm sitting in jail, I got plenty time and freedom to go lawyer shopping!

 

[jillio]

Ohio State Unviersity -School of Law and Capital School of Law, Columbus, OH.

How old do you think I am?!

What does your age have to do with anything?

Which school did you receive your JD from? OSU or Capital? I know much of the faculty at OSU, and have several friends who are grads of Capital.

Care to pm me with your info such as graduation date, etc? Oh, and when and where you took the boards?

 

[jillio]

Trial lawyers also know when to stop.

And they can also be disbarred for walking out in the middle of a defense. Exactly what type of cases do you take. Do you specialize in criminal defense? Would that be drug cases, murder cases, DUIs, Assaults, Domestic Violence...........?

 

[jillio]

Because he hasn't asked specifically.

Bear is a she. Now, how about some advise?

 

[jillio]

Byrdie went skiing yesterday. Now I need permission from you to go and enjoy my life away from the computer? :roll:

I think you are one angry person who isn't happy unless you get what you want.

Not at all. I just don't believe you are a trail lawyer. Paralegal, perhaps. But if this is any indication of the way you defend your clients, I would go so far as to say that you aren't a very effective trial lawyer. What's your record? Do you practice in the Columbus area or somewhere else in the state?

 

[jillio]

Hmmm....this doesn't sound like a trial lawyer.....

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[Chase]

Weed out corrupted judges, lawyers and cops as not to have anyone in court as corrupted staff working in there.

It's much easier said than done, SG. I'm surprised a member hasn’t waved a flag and told us all to love this system or leave the country. Maybe it’s because so many deafies are at the system’s lower levels.

Actually, the U.S. does have a legal system to be proud of . . . on the federal level. It’s the lower court and law enforcement systems long-overdue for overhaul. State systems can be better or worse, but it’s county and city law which are largely known as “the local injustice systems,” where the U.S. Constitution is only a vague concept.

The people at the heart of this system are local judges, prosecution lawyers, defense lawyers, top echelons of law enforcement, and professional bureaucrats typically more interested in numbers to boost careers than justice for individuals.

We are led to believe these groups work in an adversarial system of checks and balances. It’s not true. Instead, work in one group becomes a stepping stone to a higher or better-paid position in another group. Very typically, the probation officer completes night school and becomes a public defender. Then an assistant city or county prosecutor and back and forth on both sides of the fence several times. Then a city judge. Then the district attorney, then a county judge. In general, they are all playing musical chairs – only the system always has more than enough chairs to go around, so few have to hustle. If you don’t have the right credentials, you can become an assistant caseworker or a counselor of something. The judges will sentence enough to attend your classes if you play the game.

Smarter police and sheriff’s officers also join in the game. Not only do departments get grants and funding for certain arrest, but there is always room higher up for the right people.

Unfortunately, most deafies – Democrat, Republican, Independent, conservative, liberal, you name it – are among those whom the system seldom favors.

 

[jillio]

It's much easier said than done, SG. I'm surprised a member hasn’t waved a flag and told us all to love this system or leave the country. Maybe it’s because so many deafies are at the system’s lower levels.

Actually, the U.S. does have a legal system to be proud of . . . on the federal level. It’s the lower court and law enforcement systems long-overdue for overhaul. State systems can be better or worse, but it’s county and city law which are largely known as “the local injustice systems,” where the U.S. Constitution is only a vague concept.

The people at the heart of this system are local judges, prosecution lawyers, defense lawyers, top echelons of law enforcement, and professional bureaucrats typically more interested in numbers to boost careers than justice for individuals.

We are led to believe these groups work in an adversarial system of checks and balances. It’s not true. Instead, work in one group becomes a stepping stone to a higher or better-paid position in another group. Very typically, the probation officer completes night school and becomes a public defender. Then an assistant city or county prosecutor and back and forth on both sides of the fence several times. Then a city judge. Then the district attorney, then a county judge. In general, they are all playing musical chairs – only the system always has more than enough chairs to go around, so few have to hustle. If you don’t have the right credentials, you can become an assistant caseworker or a counselor of something. The judges will sentence enough to attend your classes if you play the game.

Smarter police and sheriff’s officers also join in the game. Not only do departments get grants and funding for certain arrest, but there is always room higher up for the right people.

Unfortunately, most deafies – Democrat, Republican, Independent, conservative, liberal, you name it – are among those whom the system seldom favors.

The Federal system does work much more efficiently than the local level.

 

[Grummer]

good thread here, and I especially like Bear's well sussed argument, advocacy is tricky one here.
Right now in New Zealand, we have a group called "Sensible Sentencing" which is basing on pushing for tougher penalty for violent crimes and repeat offenders. It's very tough to find a group which aligns more to your cause, it is furthered made more difficult, to find such a group advocate for increased monitoring of the justice processing system, especially when now at present in New Zealand we are seeing reports of sharp rises in female drink drivers, which is blamed on the social attitudes changes on females drinking (and driving). There has also been a sharp rise in young gang members and killers (many are as young as 10-12 years old), are also getting alot of attention from the media. (Does this sound familiar?)
My point is depise the rise of silliness being blurred with criminal intents are endangering too many (naive and innocent) young people who are not deserving to be stuck with a record that will follow them like tails for the rest of their lives, stunting an otherwise would have-been a normal process of getting steady jobs and moving on but only to be further shunned by gulliable and nervous society.
I entirely agree with your concerns and you have my sentiments on that it is indeed, worrying on how to get started to put together a group (or find one), to confront how Law schools, police college indoctrinate and condone the rash process, here even to confornt the media (people have done that to FOX network regarding your last election and Bush) I'd expand a tiny bit right here, I think people somewhat missed the point, not only Bush is the threat, I think that education system is a threat too because somehow they do not teach young people how to THINK , but rather on how to decide to BUY things, and nothing else, there's a serious lack of adult thinking in terms of common sense, I mean the the schools are training up masses of consumers, not citizens THAT'S is a serious flaw, a messed up philosophy we dont need. No wonder people are angry, robbing, and beating each other up. The Drives to HAVE things have drove them nuts. Common sense has been made more difficult to understand, it doesnt need to be like that. All the while, the pubilc are crying out criminals, the effects are crying out loud for the opposite of where the problem stemmed from, that is society has became as large collective unthinking stupid nasty mob.

 

[Byrdie714]

Hmmm....this doesn't sound like a trial lawyer.....

As a Cove Keeper managing 11 beach cottages, each with their own theme, I have one cottage that is affectionately called, "The Goddess Cottage" and is popular with the lesbian community. Womyn pictures, womyn power, etc, etc.

Anyway, I am going to be doing maintenance work on that particular cottage in a couple of weeks, painting, general electrical wiring, etc. As a Cove Keeper managing 11 beach cottages, each with their own theme, I have one cottage that is affectionately called, "The Goddess Cottage" and is popular with the lesbian community. Womyn pictures, womyn power, etc, etc.

http://www.alldeaf.com/closet/47590-lesbian-goddess.html

That's my other business. :roll:

 

[Byrdie714]

Not at all. I just don't believe you are a trail lawyer. Paralegal, perhaps. But if this is any indication of the way you defend your clients, I would go so far as to say that you aren't a very effective trial lawyer. What's your record? Do you practice in the Columbus area or somewhere else in the state?

If you look underneath my avatar, you will see where I live.

I started out as a trial lawyer and ended up going to Divorce court.

I am now semi-retired from lawyering as I am spending more of my time to my business. Occasionally I will assist mostly with end of life legalities.

 

[Byrdie714]

And they can also be disbarred for walking out in the middle of a defense. Exactly what type of cases do you take. Do you specialize in criminal defense? Would that be drug cases, murder cases, DUIs, Assaults, Domestic Violence...........?

Not necessairly depending on the situation.

Started out as trial lawyer and ended up as a divorce court lawyer. More money.

 

[Angel]

If you look underneath my avatar, you will see where I live.

I started out as a trial lawyer and ended up going to Divorce court.

I am now semi-retired from lawyering as I am spending more of my time to my business. Occasionally I will assist mostly with end of life legalities.

You're a divorce lawyer or was?